Mark from Reston

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    • Sun Jul 20th 12:50 PM | Rating: 0 0
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      What's Fording Canadian Coal's Takeout Value?
      My apology, but I have made several mistakes in my message. First, I misstated the amount of reserves for ANR and thus all my numbers are off. It has been reported to me that the industry looks at total reserves, which includes 3 different categories. Also, I erred in trying to calculate FDG's price by forgetting to account for the prior stock split. On a pre-split basis, FDG would already be at 3 times its current price, so the comment about comparing the current met coal price to the stock price is inaccurate. Again, apologies for bad work.
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    • Fri Jul 18th 11:12 AM | Rating: 0 0
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      What's Fording Canadian Coal's Takeout Value?
      I haven't read Hughes' analysis so I don't know how he got his number, but based on the ANR deal, I tried to run some numbers also to come up with a value for FDG.

      First, because the Cleveland Cliffs offer for ANR was part cash/part stock, the value of the deal has fluctuated with the movement of Cleveland Cliffs' stock price. Originally, the deal was reported to be worth $10 billion, but they also used an $8.3 billion figure. To be conservative, let's use Yahoo Finance's current market cap figure for ANR of $6.86 billion, which also has the effect of backing out ANR's debt.

      Based on the ANR deal and the info contained in their deal presentation, I used 2 metrics disclosed in the ANR deal and applied them to FDG. One is value to revenue and the other is value to reserves.
      For value to revenue, ANR had $2.5 billion in estimated 2008 revenue of which 56% is from met coal or $1.4 billion in met coal rev. Using the $6.86b deal value, gets you a multiple of 4.9 times revenue. FDG is expected to have $3.7 billion in revenue (using the Yahoo Finance estimates, which may or may not reflect the new contract price for met coal). Using the 4.9 multiplier and dividing by approximately 150 million outstanding shares for FDG, gets you approximately $120 per share.

      The valuation based on reserves is a little trickier. ANR has 61.8 mm total reserves, of which 73.4% or 45.36 million tons are met coal. The deal value to reserve ratio is thus $6.86 b divided by 45.36 mm or $151per ton of reserves
      Fording's website states their reserves at 664 mm tons. I don't know if this is an apples-to-apples comparison with the "type" of reserves for ANR (i.e. proven or proven and probable), but it is the lowest figure stated on the FDG website. In addition, it's not clear if this figure represents FDG's 60% interest in the Elk Valley coal mine or if it is the total amount of reserves. For the sake of argument, I will assume FDG has 60% of those reserves or 398 mm tons. Multiply by the $151per tn from the ANR deal and you get a total value of $60 billion. Divide by 150mm shares and you get a figure of over $400 per share. That seems high to me and maybe the reason is that since FDG has larger reserves and a longer time to sell them, they have to be discounted over a longer time frame. Also, the ANR deal could have placed a greater weighting on the steam coal portion of ANR's business on the theory that the demand for steam coal will be more constant without the huge variations in price that we have seen in met coal over the past few years.
      At any rate, a few years back when met coal prices rose to approximately $200 per ton, FDG share price rose to approximately $120 per share. It's hard to imagine with met coal prices close to $300 per ton and the possibility that they stay close to that range for possibly another year that FDG's stock price does not surpass $120.
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    • Thu Jul 17th 12:39 PM | Rating: 0 0
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      The Quest for Marcellus Shale Exposure
      What about a mention for Range? They hold the second most number of acres and are valued at the third lowest per acre. Reasonable debt level. They recently announced that they are looking at 30 million feet per day in the first quarter of 2009. Do the math.
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    • Thu Jan 17th 20:00 PM | Rating: 0 0
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      The Problem With Capital One Financial
      I've been looking to short COF but am also waiting for the rate cut first. I don't think the FHLB can accept auto loan paper as collateral. They are limited to mortgages, MBS, munis and AAA stuff. Not sure what the capital ratios are like at their bank, but the OTS should be awake now and looking more closely if they try to cram their crap into the bank. Those TV adds must cost a bundle.
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    • Thu Jan 17th 19:49 PM | Rating: 0 0
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      The Problem With Capital One Financial
      Not sure whether the FHLB's would take their auto paper especially if it is of the subprime variety. Like the Fed, the FHLB's take home mortgage paper or AAA securities and usually with some type of haircut. Although Countrywide sure used its thrift to access the Atlanta FHLB to keep afloat. Sen. Shumer was all over them so I'm not sure the FHLB's will be up to extending the type of collateral they accept.
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