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FDIC Anoints Superbanks - Cramer's Stop Trading! (9/26/08)
Lehman Brothers Take-over: Implications for Financials
Market Not Buying Forward P/E Estimates
When Will Fifth Third Bancorp Turn Around?
Valid point but it doesn't apply to most banks (save trust banks like Northern and Mellon). The problem with fee based revenues is they are volatile. This is why investment banks consistently trade at weak p/e ratios. When fee based revenues became difficult to project (i.e., investment banking fees from securitizations, IPOs M&A, etc.), investors tend to revert to assessing price versus book. Take a look at where the top 10 banks are trading today (JPM less than book, etc.). The more things change... the more they stay the same.
On Jun 22 05:15 PM Stewie wrote:
> That's a valid point for sure but about a dozen years behind the
> curve. Today commercial banks rely far more on fee revenue, than
> the loan portfolio as a their primary earnings engine. That's why
> many banks are now trading at multiples of tangible book that would
> have seemed insane in 1990. Just look to some of the recent bank
> mergers (last seven years) as evidence. In 1990 the market would
> have punished a bank who paid more than 125% of book, now deals of
> 3 to 4 times book are standard. I am not saying all of it is prudent
> but that's the way it is.
When Will Fifth Third Bancorp Turn Around?
When Will Fifth Third Bancorp Turn Around?
Revenues and earnings are complex, at times misleading and some times just wrong. Tangible assets values also have issues as they too can be overstated. But, I look first at price to tangible asset value to assess the attractiveness of a stock and am curious as to where FITB trades in this regard.
Capital Source: Analysis and Valuation
JPMorgan Boosts Bear Bid to $10 - NY Times
Market Not Buying Forward P/E Estimates
from 11% to 8.5% (that is earnings). Given the Fed's potentially excessive stimulus, after the flights to safety subside it is not inconceivable to imagine the 10 year bond going to 6% and an overall stock market p/e of 16.5x (versus around 15 as of today). If all of that happens, you should expect to see the market drop by down to almost 10,000 or by as much as 18%. That said, if the 10 yr bond goes only to 5.5% all else equal we only have another 10% to go. If earnings go to 9.5% then we would have another 8% to go. So...how far is the bottom? Best guess is down 8% to 20% from here.