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Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Dear Sub,

So you are in favor of this taxing/social medeling methodology. Me too.

I also agree with you that raising the taxes on gasoline would be an improvement.

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Dear biofuelsimon

Apparently the amount of corn used to make ethanol was not enough to raise the price of corn. The last time I looked corn was $3.72/bushel. Keep in mind, ethanol does not remove the corn from the food chain. The ethanol plant removes the starch and sells the rest back into the food chain. Evan if 100% of US corn went to ethanol plants first, we would only have to increase production by 30% This increase would be easier than most of you think. Growing corn has not been profitable since the late 1970s. It has been kept alive with gov subsidies. Imagine how much they would grow if it were profitable.

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Dear Sub,

The jibberish included in my quote was a highlighting error. Sorry.

Is it safe to assume that you thik the whole carrot/stick methodology of our tax system is wrong? If we don't like something,"tobacco, alcohol," we tax it. It we want to promote something, "ethanol, wind power," we give it tax breaks or credits."

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Hey Subby,

Can I get you opinion on this.

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Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Sub

A "Typical Year?" Corn has been under $3/bushel in 8 of 10 years prior to 1996. And the years it was up we were bailing them out of flood loses. The university of Illionis shows corn prices growing at half the rate of inflation dating back 30 years.

Corn prices going up made us compliant with the WTO wishes. I am hoping it has the effect they wanted, ie production increasing in other parts of the world..

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Sub,
Farmers were dumping corn for $1.85 and getting reimbursed by the government to a sale price of $2.95. With 13 billion bushels of corn grown, that is $14.3 Billion dollars per year. And that is only corn, are price supports for wheat, soybeans...etc

Starting another topic. The subsidies would be better spent going to companies building infrastructure, than to the blenders.

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

dear lucile,

My car gets better mileage when I use 10% ethanol.

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Dear Sub,

You still need to subtract the savings of farm subsidies not spent against the ethanol subsidy. If in fact you believe ethanol caused the price of grains to increase.

Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing

Duude

are you willing to get rid of all subsidies? We could start by getting rid of the subsidies oil and natural gas receive.

Ethanol: Our Answer to Reducing U.S. Dependence on Foreign Oil

Dear Sub,
There are millions of Flexfuel vehicles out there. They all go just as far on E30 as gasoline.

Lets talk subsidies for a minute. For 30 years the price of corn was below the production cost of corn. Farmers made money on price supports ie subsidies. Farmers grow 13 billion bushels of corn per year. They were selling at $2/bushel and getting a subsidy to $2.95/bushel. that cost the American cosumer $12 Billion/year. And that was just corn! There are price supports for Soybeans, wheat, and even tobacco. If we subsidies ethanol 45 cents per gallon and make 9 billion gallons, that only cost $4 billion per year. We are saving tax payer money with ethanol.

Lets convert Tobacco farms to produce food!

Ethanol: Our Answer to Reducing U.S. Dependence on Foreign Oil

Dear Crude,

Restore the wetlands around New Orleans. It fed off the runoff for centuries untill we wiped it out.

Other than that your response made little sense. If we grow more corn, we have more nitrogen run off. Corn is also not our only source of nitrogen run off. Have you ever seen what seeps from cattle feeding operations? The cattle feed off of the same corn we grow for ethanol.

Growth in Corn Harvest Means Good News for Ethanol Producers

Dear Red Barron,

Most of the plants were built when gasoline was $1.85/gallon. $5 corn is still profitable if gas is $3.75/gallon.

If the mandates go away so does my position. Removing the subsidies would have no effect on the ethanol companies if the mandate is still in place. The subsidies are paid to the refiners and blenders, not the ethanol companies.

Increasing Ethanol Demand and the Likely Price Implications for Corn

When you use corn to make ethanol, your left over residue is a high protein feed stock for cattle. Therefore, you should only count a percentage of the corn used for ethanol as an increase in corn demand since most of our corn is alread fed to cattle. I do not know what that percentage would be. Otherwise, very useful article.

Ethanol Driving Pump, Narrowing of Refining Margin

Dear Amit,

Are you also in favor of more air polution?

Ethanol Driving Pump, Narrowing of Refining Margin

Where I live, gasoline mixed 90/10 with ethanol is less expensive than pure gas. My car gets just the same miles per gallon with either one.