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Three Things Obama Will Do to Advance Alternative Energy

I want to see an initiative to put solar on government buildings as much as the next guy, but I think it's premature to say it's "clear" such an initiative will occur. I for one have heard nothing definite on solar from Obama. The only energy "source" he has mentioned as a specific initiative in his transition is efficiency, specifically in schools. If he's made an actual statement that he's going to do something involving solar, I'd appreciate a reference. Otherwise, nothing is "clear" when politics are involved.

"Companies who have domestic production should benefit, including FSLR, STP SPWR, ENER." - Factual error. STP does not have domestic US production (if that's what the vague phrase "domestic production" meant). They have a US sales office, and now a US based installation venture, but no production. They've talked about building a US factory, but haven't yet bc of the credit crisis.

"Wind energy has been proven cheaper than solar and has achieved grid parity to some extent." - This shows a lack of understanding of what "grid parity" means. In California, Hawaii, Italy, and other markets, the annualized cost (over 20-25 years) of installing solar on a large home and the cost of buying grid power at current rates is equivalent. Tiered rates and peak power make a big difference. In places like Alabama, where electricity retails for 7c/kwh, solar's a long way off.

So to compare wind and solar in terms of an abstract "grid parity" is really not meaningful.

As Intel Joins the Solar Sector, Is There Room for Everyone?

Mark, you mention how SpectraWatt will be positioned in the solar value chain, in direct competition with JA Solar (and Q-Cells, which I don't think you mention), while serving the "module makers."

Why not go one step further and say that, if SpectraWatt can successfully apply Intel manufacturing advantages, at least some significant benefits will go downstream to those module makers, and, one assumes, to system integrators/installers like Akeena? How fair an assumption do you think that is?

As Intel Joins the Solar Sector, Is There Room for Everyone?

I have a big picture question for Jack and Mark:

Isn't "grid parity" for solar a bit of a paradox, since as companies get closer and closer to achieving it (Suntech's CEO actually threw out a cost/watt, I think around $2, at InterSolar de), global demand will increase on an exponential curve (STP CEO also indicated that China was waiting for this point to really get into solar), keeping prices higher than "grid parity"?

Put another way, will the supply chain, even expanding as it is, be able to absorb an exponential increase in demand? Will it do this smoothly or do you think there will be a series of hiccups (like the 2002-2007 spike) that will swing prices around violently?

Which Solar Stocks Will Continue To Shine?

I think STP is currently a great company at a good but not great price. The others are OK companies at great prices. With a horizon of more than a year (outside Yetiv's range I think, to be fair to him), I'd rather own the great company. From this extended POV, I find it quizzical that Yetiv's playing a value game in a growth sector, putting it all on forward P/E as he does, and all for 3-4 month swing trades. Of course, it seems to work, so I can't begrudge him that. More good fortune to you, sir.

However, I would add to Yetiv's risks that, by following his method and ignoring industry forces and qualitative factors for a company, if unforeseen circumstances soured on your 3-4 month gain, you'll either have to unload at a loss or hold a second-tier solar through an industry shakeout that first tiers like Suntech are going to win.

Trina Solar: Best Value in the Solar Space

Hi Jack -

I'm enjoying your series of articles. Seems to be generating high quality discussion about solar, which is a compliment to your work.

I'd question your heavy reliance on PEG as the basis for picking a solar company to invest in. Don't qualitative factors such as size, technology, management, and prior execution enter into your analysis? Or, in your mind, do these factors matter only in how much they manifest themselves in the PEG, ie the proof is in the pudding and PEG is the pudding?

I can see PEG as a determinative factor for success if you believed the solar panel/component industry was purely a commodity business. There are arguments that that's exactly what it is, or what it will be in the near future. In that case, the company that can produce the interchangeable product, in this case the solar panel, with the most profit (and in a growth industry the most profit growth) wins flat out. Those arguments may be borne out.

However: Brand? Access to markets? Partnerships? Relationships? Guanxi? Diversity? Products? Record?

Do all these take a backseat to PEG?

You may poo-poo the factors I cite as too soft. I'd agree one has to look at the hard measures, the bottom line, etc. However, I'd be more comfortable hearing something like "this company has this great PEG, and here's why they're a great company that's going to continue to win in the solar industry (especially with trailing data limited)."

My point in slogan form: I'd rather by a great company at a good price than a good company at a great price.

This might depend on horizon - mine might be farther out. What's yours? Is the "value" you see in TSL a question of months? Years? A year? You seem to be limiting yourself to a year tops (2009 eps worthless except as speculation, you say) - right?