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More Uncertainty? Try Ultra ETFs

Thanks, Old Trader.
As a further reply to Sachin,This is from Pro-Shares site:

<<< Investors in any ETF, including ProShares, should be aware of potential differences between daily net asset value (NAV) and closing price. ProShares NAVs are calculated using prices as of 4:00 PM Eastern Time, when equity markets close. Some ETFs calculate NAVs earlier in the day based on the time their benchmark prices are set (Fixed-Income ProShares NAVs are set at 3:00 PM when the bond market closes). Through October 7, 2008, ProShares traded until 4:15 PM ET, when the equity futures markets close. Beginning Wednesday, October 8, 2008, trading in ProShares ETFs on the NYSE Alternext U.S. (formerly the American Stock Exchange or Amex) will close at 4 p.m. ET rather than 4:15 p.m. ET (see separate announcement).

The closing price of any ProShares ETF, which is the recorded price of the last trade, can occur before or sometimes after the NAV calculation, and may be different from the NAV.

Investors should note that each ProShares ETF is designed to track the 4:00 P.M. value of the index underlying its benchmark. >>>




On Nov 13 10:03 PM old trader wrote:

> sachin,
>
> The bottom line is "slippage". Both SPY and SDS have many "moving
> parts", and they're not the same "moving parts'. Same is true of
> other Ultra ETFs (DIG and DUG, for example). The inverse correlation
> is pretty close, but not perfect.The same holds true on just one
> side of the trade, over a span of time, because the Ultras basically
> start at "0" each day, so if you track the S&amp;P, and it drops
> "x" over a 3 month span, SDS would NOT be up "2x" over the same period,
> but hey, they still make a decent hedge, or allow for some nice profits
> ;-)

More Uncertainty? Try Ultra ETFs

David, you comment is appreciated, and even tho it may have been made "tongue in cheek", there is a certain bit of truth in it.

However, no one has the perfect crystal ball.
All of us are playing the odds, and you are correct, they do favor the short end.

That being said, in addition to the contras, there are always stocks that rise on days that the Dow and/or S & P fall - - - and visa versa. It is those moments when investors can take dollars off the table - - - and should do so, depending on their time horizon (age).

Some of us do not have the luxury of time in which to recover, especially if we are dependent on dividends and interest payments. That is why this geezer switched strategy to trading the contras. Even after tax consequences, the resulting income is greater than what the market currently provides in divvys and those safe munis.

Best wishes, Fritz H.

On Nov 13 10:17 AM David Lentz wrote:

> But if the markets do not like uncertainty, then they should be pretty
> pleased, as it seems certain that we are all going to hell in a handbasket,
> with equities continuing lower and lower. Seems perfectly predictable
> to me. The (short) markets should be ecstatic.
>
> :-)