roger maxims

China: Exactly Where Japan Was in the 1980s?

Which world exactly do you live in? Jupiter or Mars?

You mean Japan is the Asia Pacific version of Alice in Wonderland?

You mean Toyota and Sony's technologies are dreamt up by Mr Watanabe and Mr Tanaka overnight when they saw fairies?

You mean over 80% of ministers in the current Japanese cabinet / opposition politicians are idiotic lawyers having graduated from sandboxes like the University of Tokyo, or passed the 1.7% success rate bar exam (lowest in the world btw)?

You mean industrial revolution on its alone made middle-class people millionaires and entrepreneurs billionaires?

You really should consider joining the law firm Morrison & Forrester, better known by itself and others as MoFo.


On Aug 27 04:54 PM Yaudy wrote:

> Roger, blind faith like yours in Harvard and lawyers is exactly the
> source of America's problems. Japan does not have any school that
> can compare to Harvard, and does not have a ton of lawyers which
> the US has, so how come Toyota makes better cars than GM? How come
> GM's Harvard and Wharton MBAs and lawyers now live on government's
> charity to survive. It is workers, Chinese or American, who drive
> the economy, not the top executives who makes 200 times the workers
> salary. See the problem?

China: Exactly Where Japan Was in the 1980s?

You mean, Yaudy, that a country can grow by itself? You mean by making peasants / factory workers rich and earn yuan, and drenching China's US$ reserves to buy raw materials and machines, China will become even one-quarter as powerful as any of its friends at G7? A factory is a factory, even if you paint it green and put in glass facades.

What you are proposing, dear Yaudy, is that First World countries like America would have grown rich since 1949 just as quickly WITHOUT Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Silicon Valley and Wall Street. That high-paying jobs could have been replaced by 10,000 McDonald's outlets hiring kids to flip burgers.

The only end result of crazy growth of 20% in 2nd and 3rd tier cities is crazy inflation. Do teach me how, without innovation, to squeeze more productivity out of China's workers when your Walmart Levis jeans are US$8.99.

In baby economists' terms, China has NO tertiary industry. None. What use are lawyers when the government debars them for disturbing Beijing's peace? And what use are bankers when your currency / stock market is closed to the outside world, like Monopoly?

You only need to read my opponent's response below to smell the rot of your argument. Need I say more.

On Aug 25 05:13 AM mna wrote: [excerpt]
[...]
> This kind of thinking is reminiscent of China in the 17th century,
> when their emperors thought they were the center of the world, and
> congratulated themselves on how advanced they were and how they didn't
> need anyone else, as they were the most powerful country on the planet.

China: Exactly Where Japan Was in the 1980s?

And therefore, whilst logic is stupidity's worst enemy and ignorance is the latter's best friend, tell me your reasoning.

Time to teach you about natural resources:

The only way that China can grow is by gulping mountains of steel and lakes of oil. What else can you use to feed machines that manufacture and to fill workers' rice bowls (extra virgin olive oil)?

Au contraire, the only way that the real First World can grow is by inventing new technologies, which requires a nanocentimetre of reinforced steel for their Swiss-made heavy duty sketch pens and a pea-sized drop of saffron oil to cleanse the free roaming mind.


On Aug 25 05:13 AM mna wrote:

> Wow... just wow. There's actually people out there who's STILL this
> misguided? Mr Roger Maxims: You sir, have given me a whole new outlook
> on the US. With people still this clueless about the upcoming competition
> we're facing, the nation's absolutely, positively doomed.
>
> This kind of thinking is reminiscent of China in the 17th century,
> when their emperors thought they were the center of the world, and
> congratulated themselves on how advanced they were and how they didn't
> need anyone else, as they were the most powerful country on the planet.
>
>
> Think about that.
>
> On Aug 25 04:04 AM roger maxims wrote:

China: Exactly Where Japan Was in the 1980s?

Much obliged. In entertainment and joy, Sir, you will recall that:

(1) China has no modern technology of its own: (i) space rockets are Russian technologies from 1960s; (ii) automobiles are copied from BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and [your favourite brand]; (iii) drugs are what they are literally - they're killers rather than cures.

(2) Whatever technologies the Japanese, Americans or Germans license China, they range from one generation (in technology) to one decade behind! Reason: national / commercial / self-interest in the real world outside Pyongyang you know baby.

(3) China's best scientists, doctors and mathematicians live next door to you and teaches at Princeton having graduated from Yale and collected a Nobel prize in Stockholm with another planning.

(4) Cultural revolution + 1989 takes 15 years off China's clock whilst the rest of the world thinks about reinventing the telephone, culminating in companies with weird names like Nokia and Ericsson.

(5) As a "consumer" economy, China doesn't care about R&D. All it want is to make peasants rich and bureaucrats richer. Even if it did try, the combination of (2) - (4) above means that its technologies will never make international standards, come hell or high water. How can you get rich selling chow mein and dragon dances?

(6) No country would be willing to contribute its newest technologies in "scientific co-operation" with China, because of national interests.

These six are the very reasons why China has to suck up to the US even under present circumstances. It simply has no way out.

So pack up your optimism, save some US$, buy some more burgers before they are priced in yen or yuan.


On Aug 25 12:03 AM HaavBline wrote:

> Entertaining. But since no country has all items on your list, what's
> your point?
>
> BTW, China does already have your items 4, 5, 6 in some very competitive
> way. So I suggest you come back to check your list at least once
> a year.

China: Exactly Where Japan Was in the 1980s?

With all due respect, my friends, where lies the argument (1910/65/89 Japan)?

China is but a huge consumer economy, akin to the US or Japan or Germany, minus:

(1) the military technologies ($billion stealth jets);
(2) the aeronautical technologies ($billion spaceships / 787s);
(3) the manufacturing technologies (Fanuc - largest manufacturing robot firm in the world, listed in Tokyo, debt free);
(4) the vehicular technologies (Prius and friends);
(5) the environmental technologies (solar panels and nuclear alike);
(6) the pharmaceutical technologies (Tamiflu etc);

and also

(6) artistic / Midas touches (Milan / Paris);
(7) "entertainment / education" films / websites (the unions in California);
(8) justice system to protect foreigners' money; and
(9) currency system to let foreigners TAKE OUT the money they put in;

If such a country were to grow in any meaningful sense, it would be in the American cents...which doesn't mean much anymore.