Axion Power Concentrator 218: Mar. 15: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
This way to APC #219. Congratulations to Axion Power on the new improved, faster and less expensive carbon sheeting process.
Axion Power Concentrator 217: Mar. 13: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
Axion Power Concentrator 216: Mar. 10: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
Thanks, but it is all due to the great contributors here.
Your wish is my command...APC #217 right this way.
Axion Power Concentrator 215: Mar. 7: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
Axion Power Concentrator 214: Mar. 4: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
Axion Power Concentrator 213: Mar. 3: Axion Power PbC Batteries Continue To Demonstrate Effectiveness For Railroad Applications Norfolk Southern [View instapost]
Axion Power Concentrator 212: Feb. 27: Axion Power PbC Batteries Continue To Demonstrate Effectiveness For Railroad Applications Norfolk Southern [View instapost]
A comment by lwinkle that was deleted for various reasons, caused a response by John Petersen to also get deleted. Since that contained some information of potential value, I've copied it here. ======================... I can deny the truth of several Iwinkle assertions.
First, when BMW did fleet testing of AGM batteries the process took six months, not the year or more our troll worries about.
Second, the review and approval of Axion's manufacturing methods and equipment started in 2010 and was the most likely reason for the build of the Gen2 line in the first place. The process has been ongoing for at least two years. It is not a discrete step that occurs after a product is fully tested.
Third, the costs of any necessary certifications, like the costs of any necessary product testing, are borne by the customer. There is no reason to believe that Axion will pay anything to get its facilities approved by a customer.
Fourth, OEMs don't spend three or four years doing exhaustive testing on limited production vehicles. They just put them out for high end customers who are more tolerant of headaches. The kind of testing that the PbC has been subjected to is reserved for components that will be used in mainline production models.
Fifth, Norfolk Southern learned a lot after spending about 18 months building the NS 999 and putting it to work the first time. The lessons learned through that failure were the reason they spent 2-1/2 years studying the PbC before placing their first big order. In the battery business, a user learns the most important lessons of battery performance in the laboratory, not the vehicle. By the time a battery like the PbC makes it to a full end-user prototype, the only thing the user doesn't already know is how the fully integrated system will work. The risk of an unexpected battery failure is inconsequential at this point.
Sixth, A123 failed because they rushed things and miscalibrated a welding machine that resulted in a $60 million warranty loss. Their business failed from a screw-up. 3 Mar, 09:32 AM ======================... APH
Axion Power Concentrator 224: April 2: Axion Power Completes New Continuous Roll Carbon Sheeting Process [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 222: Mar. 25: Axion Power Completes New Continuous Roll Carbon Sheeting Process [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 222: Mar. 25: Axion Power Completes New Continuous Roll Carbon Sheeting Process [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 220: Mar. 22: Axion Power Completes New Continuous Roll Carbon Sheeting Process [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 219: Mar. 20: Axion Power Completes New Continuous Roll Carbon Sheeting Process [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 218: Mar. 15: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 217: Mar. 13: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 216: Mar. 10: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
Your wish is my command...APC #217 right this way.
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Axion Power Concentrator 215: Mar. 7: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 214: Mar. 4: Axion Power And EPower Engine Systems Inaugurate Strategic 18-Wheeler Alliance Using PbC Batteries In Hybrid Drive Trains For Class 8 Trucks [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 213: Mar. 3: Axion Power PbC Batteries Continue To Demonstrate Effectiveness For Railroad Applications Norfolk Southern [View instapost]
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Axion Power Concentrator 212: Feb. 27: Axion Power PbC Batteries Continue To Demonstrate Effectiveness For Railroad Applications Norfolk Southern [View instapost]
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I can deny the truth of several Iwinkle assertions.
First, when BMW did fleet testing of AGM batteries the process took six months, not the year or more our troll worries about.
Second, the review and approval of Axion's manufacturing methods and equipment started in 2010 and was the most likely reason for the build of the Gen2 line in the first place. The process has been ongoing for at least two years. It is not a discrete step that occurs after a product is fully tested.
Third, the costs of any necessary certifications, like the costs of any necessary product testing, are borne by the customer. There is no reason to believe that Axion will pay anything to get its facilities approved by a customer.
Fourth, OEMs don't spend three or four years doing exhaustive testing on limited production vehicles. They just put them out for high end customers who are more tolerant of headaches. The kind of testing that the PbC has been subjected to is reserved for components that will be used in mainline production models.
Fifth, Norfolk Southern learned a lot after spending about 18 months building the NS 999 and putting it to work the first time. The lessons learned through that failure were the reason they spent 2-1/2 years studying the PbC before placing their first big order. In the battery business, a user learns the most important lessons of battery performance in the laboratory, not the vehicle. By the time a battery like the PbC makes it to a full end-user prototype, the only thing the user doesn't already know is how the fully integrated system will work. The risk of an unexpected battery failure is inconsequential at this point.
Sixth, A123 failed because they rushed things and miscalibrated a welding machine that resulted in a $60 million warranty loss. Their business failed from a screw-up.
3 Mar, 09:32 AM
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APH