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Has the Sun Set on Solar Energy Stocks?

The sun has set. Heavy selling on good news is sure sign this bubble's done. A few months ago, I was reiterating the flight of Icarus. How ironic and what an amazing story. Learn from it fellows.

Has the Sun Set on Solar Energy Stocks?

"Is SPWR becoming the Government main contractor for installing solar systems on Federal sites.
They just completed installing a solar electric system on top of the roof top for the Dept of Energy Federal Building in Washington D.C. Sun power has also installed solar system for other government agencies such as the US Navy in Hawaii and Calf, The US Postal Service, and Air Force bases.
They have under contract to build a Solar system at Kennedy Space center site.
The company has no debt and over the last 3 months insiders have purchased a net 56.0K shares. This is in stark contrast to the 2-year quarterly average where insiders are net sellers and indicates that insiders are more bullish about SPWR's prospects for the next 6-12 months.
They need no Gov tax incentives...The Gov is paying them for their solar systems. "

While the government is buying the panels, the administration will change and therefore they probably will lose their contracts. Usually happens in these cases.

Now where are you getting that the insiders have purchased shares? That is an out and out lie. They have been selling. Cypress sold 2.5 million shares.

Atkins, Shughar, Swanson, Richards, Wood and Werner have been selling just like Mozillo of countrywide. Does anyone else see the same thing going on here? You all remember Mozillo right? Just like the guys at Thornberg and Jack Yetiv and the other pumpers here.

Solar is a great idea, but these p/e's are way out of line. This one will be in the 20's by January.

With Help from California, Solar Gets Fired Up

David, you are a big chearleader for SOL and STP. Sol is currently trading down, as their confrence call didn't bode too well for future margins. Inflation will hit the solar market hard also.

With Help from California, Solar Gets Fired Up

These plans are all contingent on a 30% tax credit and also building an adequate delivery grid. If you wish to rest your hard earned dollars on a pipe dream, by all means go ahead.

Solar cannot survive without subsidies and is a very inefficient way of making electricity. Wind, as a renewable is much better suited as unlike solar, can provide energy throughout the day. Solar don't work at night period. You need a back up supply, plain and simple. The tax credits for this should be reduced. As Alpha24/7 states, it takes money out of the poor and disadvantaged anyway. Energy will never be free. we won't be able to get off fossil fuels until our technology increases exponentially, which for solar hasn't happened.

With Help from California, Solar Gets Fired Up

These plans are all contingent on a 30% tax credit and also building an adequate delivery grid. If you wish to rest your hard earned dollars on a pipe dream, by all means go ahead.

Solar cannot survive without subsidies and is a very inefficient way of making electricity. Wind, as a renewable is much better suited as unlike solar, can provide energy throughout the day. Solar don't work at night period. You need a back up supply, plain and simple. The tax credits for this should be reduced. As Alpha24/7 states, it takes money out of the poor and disadvantaged anyway. Energy will never be free. we won't be able to get off fossil fuels until our technology increases exponentially, which for solar hasn't happened.

Solar Shorts Keep On Rising Even As Oil Surprises

By the way SPWR has over 40% of it's shares short.

Solar Shorts Keep On Rising Even As Oil Surprises

Secmaven, after what has happened lately in the financials, there isn't much more to go down. SPWR is at 70 now and will probably be at 20 by years end. Solars have high P/E ratios, the insiders are selling their shares the same way the inside guys at IndyMac and Countrywide were selling theirs. The solars will be the next financials.

Solar Sector Plunges Right Along With Market

Unlike the little reporter on Thestreet.com, real experts, like Piper Jaffray send people to China, practically audit the company, and report as truthfully and accurately as possible, ethically, and responsibly let the public know what is going on.

Furthermore, Zacks reports on what a multitude of analysts carefully have found out about a company. In SOL they found out it is a great investment.

Investors Business Daily has a computer program that has no reason to lie about a company. It is a computer. IBD simply reports the profit exponential growth and compares it to 25,000 or so other companies in the world. IBD's computer report of course tells us other additional information, accurately about the company. IBD is another great source, in June proving SOL the 4th best company in the world to invest in.


If you follow stock accumulator, that's what you will be a dead dog stock accumulator. Where to begin..........First of all, No company, entity, nor analyst has been given an accurate insight into a China company. China stock is the biggest oxymoron there is. The government controls these companies, they have a pegged currency and don't hesitate not even for a split second to lie, subjugate, opress and with violence if needed to apply their will. You can never ever believe anything that comes out of China, much less a company's fundamentals. But the pegged currency and their propensity to price fix should be enough to drive anyone away. I am a shorter, and believe I would love to short these companies, but they issue lies as much as Obama Hussein changes his platform.

Following IBD is like following ywo week old news. There is nothing new or explosive there. If you use IBD, it's good for a 2-3% gain at best for most stocks. Every once in a blue moon they get a "winner" but so do gamblers. If you are a gambler, then by all means wait for that one payout while the majority will be losers.

Zacks is another dubious "rater" Most of their picks don't work out. Their accuracy is also dismal. So using is worse than using IBD, because they are almost always wrong with their calls.

The fundamentals are this guys and gals. These solar companies had a vision, just like the housing boom in the 70's and subsequent stag-flation (looks familiar doesn't it) that everyone would install these panels at rediculous prices because the economy was burning hot along. That isn't going to materialize, because alas, the suckers that put in these sytems see that the returns and savings are not what's expected. Did anyone look into solar panels for their house? That is the real test. Well I did about a year ago. The jerks wanted over 100K for a system that would still need standard electricity backup. I can afford this even without the subsides. But I evaluated this on it's own merits and came to the conclusion that it just isn't worth it. Well I am not the sharpest tack in the box, but noone has ever taken me for a fool, but this solar is just plain fool's gold.

Solar Stocks Continue to Roll

They sure are on a roll...they are about to roll over.

Solar Stocks Show Signs of Life

Thanks kkin365. I am still adding puts to my short position. I am fortunate that the stock can still run up a bit more before I start getting a fed or margin call, so for now I am hanging in and looking forward to the next miss of their earnings on April 17th. They missed in January and with the huge jump in jobless claims 407,000, and the retailers going to be hurting, I can't possibly see the retailers going forward with their plans, as was announced by Macy's. They may start to consider closing stores, so why would they invest a tremendous amout of money if they may close/sell stores.
As far as China and the article:www.nytimes.com/2008/0...

Yep, I am eight thousand percent sure they follow standard accepted accounting principles for their government companies. Who are their accountants...Hou, Wi, Foo, Kum & Hasol?

Solar Stocks Show Signs of Life

Institutions also? They are selling also. They are all cutting their positions because the massive residential buildout will not occur this time also. Maybe if they were 7 years earlier during the housing boom, good ecomomy and cheap money. Now the only thing we have is cheap money, but the bank won't give you a loan for such a big ticket, speculative item for your home.

As far as these going to Home Depot. Never until the prices come down alot. They won't for some time as these companies want to bleed the governments first.

SOL is a China stock. I am a free market kind of guy. No company that is owned by a government will be longf in my portfolio, especially a communist one. Isn't that the biggest oxymoron out there, China stocks. They beat up on Monks, subjugate their people, violate all child labor laws out there, pollute like there is no tommorrow. Yep, sure give me a few thousand shares.

Solar Stocks Show Signs of Life

SPWR has not reported any insider activity through the SEC in the past year. It may have reported transaction activity through other regulatory bodies. As a result, the activity below may not reflect the complete activity by the company's insiders.


Monthly Share Rotation Number of Shares Value of Change Percent of Shares Outstanding
Buyers 3/29/08 60,850 $3,999,062 0.80%
Sellers 3/29/08 1,973,109 $129,676,678 3.00%

You guys really need to wake up. There are many "good clean in favor" companies out there. I am not a bear because I don't believe global warming is real. It is real, but we may not have a choice anyway. The earthg was probably meant to be warmer anyway. Look at the prehistoric times. Just because as meteor hit the earth and caused the ice age, we have been getting warmer since. No new news.

I would purchase solar panels if they were right for me, and all should do the same. But if you are an investor or trader, these are totally crap fundamentally. Look at MSFT, IBM, EBAY, GOOG any company that made it. There were massive insider buying, NOT SELLING. I am following the lead of the insiders and institutions which clearly is to sell.

Solar Stocks Show Signs of Life

These companies are trading at a tremendous multiple. SPWR over 600x earnings and they warned at last earnings. I think solar will do well in the future but at reasonable multiples. I am short any company with over 50 times earnings in a bear market which we are in. BGG, SPWR, ALGN, STP, AMT, MTN, SUP are my favorites for now.