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That will fix this.


On Oct 21 08:56 AM jjed88 wrote:

> I think you got to the root of the problem. All this lobbying and
> political contributions is a disgrace. My state senator, Dodd, is
> the chairperson of the Banking committee. His received about $130k
> for political contributions last year from Goldman. I don't think
> he can be impartial if he had to make decisions affecting Goldman.
> He's kinda 'nowhere to be found' anyway so hopefully the next Banking
> Chairperson won't be owned.]]> Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:55:02 -0400
That will fix this.


On Oct 21 08:56 AM jjed88 wrote:

> I think you got to the root of the problem. All this lobbying and
> political contributions is a disgrace. My state senator, Dodd, is
> the chairperson of the Banking committee. His received about $130k
> for political contributions last year from Goldman. I don't think
> he can be impartial if he had to make decisions affecting Goldman.
> He's kinda 'nowhere to be found' anyway so hopefully the next Banking
> Chairperson won't be owned.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/165605-cash-4-clunkers-and-the-law-of-unintended-consequences?source=feed#comment-710378 710378
I agree that their are unintended consequences, but using that logic as a reason to do nothing a archaic and stupid. ]]> Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:07:44 -0400
I agree that their are unintended consequences, but using that logic as a reason to do nothing a archaic and stupid. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/161025-how-much-did-cash-for-clunkers-boost-auto-sales?source=feed#comment-671715 671715 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:29:17 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/154281-market-cycles-a-look-at-the-historical-evidence?source=feed#comment-619322 619322 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:58:45 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/149691-at-t-the-iphone-s-achilles-heel?source=feed#comment-594879 594879
I hope Apple leaves ATT just so that there would be some competition between carriers. ]]> Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:22:46 -0400
I hope Apple leaves ATT just so that there would be some competition between carriers. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/147245-employment-report-the-never-changing-story?source=feed#comment-577576 577576
Was Carl Pavano overpaid? Absolutely. Hindsight is 20/20 and in baseball there are clear winner and losers. They even keep a record of every pitchers wins/losses to boot. So of course it's easy to see if he was "worth it". But did Carl's contract cost anything to society. No, virtually nothing. It costs George Steinbrenner. That's basically it. If fans were so outraged they should stop buying tickets, $14 beers and replica jerseys. Then you would see salaries brought in.

When a CEO slashes workforce and pay so that he can get his $100M bonus by hitting profit objectives, yes I would say there is a costs to society there. Big difference from an athelete.

You are right, Costco is a good example of the right thing to do. But they are the exception, not the norm.


On Jul 07 02:05 PM John Galt wrote:

> Elcopone-
>
> Would Juwan Howard be any worse of a basketball player if he signed
> a 30 million dollar deal instead of a 100 million dollar deal? How
> about the ex Yankee Pitcher Carl Pavano who signed a 70 million dollar
> deal and was injured and hardly pitched?
>
> The argument that CEO's make 250 times the average worker, therefore
> they are overpaid... Tiger Woods makes 250 times the average worker
> for playing golf and doing commercials, is that outragous? Couldn't
> you complain that Tiger would be just fine making 5 million bucks
> per year?
>
> Not all CEO's make 50 or 100 million dollars...
>
> Let's look at Costco's CEO which Mark brought up. The CEO is in charge
>]]> Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:35:14 -0400
Was Carl Pavano overpaid? Absolutely. Hindsight is 20/20 and in baseball there are clear winner and losers. They even keep a record of every pitchers wins/losses to boot. So of course it's easy to see if he was "worth it". But did Carl's contract cost anything to society. No, virtually nothing. It costs George Steinbrenner. That's basically it. If fans were so outraged they should stop buying tickets, $14 beers and replica jerseys. Then you would see salaries brought in.

When a CEO slashes workforce and pay so that he can get his $100M bonus by hitting profit objectives, yes I would say there is a costs to society there. Big difference from an athelete.

You are right, Costco is a good example of the right thing to do. But they are the exception, not the norm.


On Jul 07 02:05 PM John Galt wrote:

> Elcopone-
>
> Would Juwan Howard be any worse of a basketball player if he signed
> a 30 million dollar deal instead of a 100 million dollar deal? How
> about the ex Yankee Pitcher Carl Pavano who signed a 70 million dollar
> deal and was injured and hardly pitched?
>
> The argument that CEO's make 250 times the average worker, therefore
> they are overpaid... Tiger Woods makes 250 times the average worker
> for playing golf and doing commercials, is that outragous? Couldn't
> you complain that Tiger would be just fine making 5 million bucks
> per year?
>
> Not all CEO's make 50 or 100 million dollars...
>
> Let's look at Costco's CEO which Mark brought up. The CEO is in charge
>]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/147414-three-of-america-s-best-boards?source=feed#comment-577367 577367 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:28:33 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/147245-employment-report-the-never-changing-story?source=feed#comment-577226 577226
However giving a CEO a $50M paycheck while he lays off 10% of the workforce and cuts workers pay by 20% is simply taking money from the middle-class/poor and giving it to someone who is probably already wealthy beyond belief. It's outrageous and needs to change. ]]> Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:07:47 -0400
However giving a CEO a $50M paycheck while he lays off 10% of the workforce and cuts workers pay by 20% is simply taking money from the middle-class/poor and giving it to someone who is probably already wealthy beyond belief. It's outrageous and needs to change. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/147008-the-congressional-bailout-of-madoff-s-investors?source=feed#comment-575289 575289 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:14:05 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/146396-sirius-xm-ramp-up-in-marketing-of-iphone-app-is-a-positive-sign?source=feed#comment-570598 570598
If you study the App store, you would know that most Apps are downloaded and then minutes later deleted. The true test of an App's popularity is it's ratings and reviews. The Siri App currently sports a 2 (out of 5 stars) rating based on over 30,000 reviews. By comparison, an App titled the The Moron Test even managed to get 3 stars. If you read those reviews you see they are filled with angry Siri subscribers who are very upset with lack of content available (no Howard, MLB, to name a few) and the added charge. $2.99 may not be a lot to you but to some people it is and on top of that, it's the principal of trying to nickle and dime already loyal subscribers.

Oh, and contracts get amended all day long in the business world. So don't blame contracts for the disjointed, inefficient, and flawed marketing and pricing strategy.


On Jul 01 05:37 PM between the hedges wrote:

> Good point Mr. Stupid. If this guy is so poor that he can't pay 2.99
> per mo, do we want to listen to his points on stocks?]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:54:52 -0400
If you study the App store, you would know that most Apps are downloaded and then minutes later deleted. The true test of an App's popularity is it's ratings and reviews. The Siri App currently sports a 2 (out of 5 stars) rating based on over 30,000 reviews. By comparison, an App titled the The Moron Test even managed to get 3 stars. If you read those reviews you see they are filled with angry Siri subscribers who are very upset with lack of content available (no Howard, MLB, to name a few) and the added charge. $2.99 may not be a lot to you but to some people it is and on top of that, it's the principal of trying to nickle and dime already loyal subscribers.

Oh, and contracts get amended all day long in the business world. So don't blame contracts for the disjointed, inefficient, and flawed marketing and pricing strategy.


On Jul 01 05:37 PM between the hedges wrote:

> Good point Mr. Stupid. If this guy is so poor that he can't pay 2.99
> per mo, do we want to listen to his points on stocks?]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/146396-sirius-xm-ramp-up-in-marketing-of-iphone-app-is-a-positive-sign?source=feed#comment-570567 570567
I have to tell you, as both a Sirius subscriber and shareholder, I'm starting to lose my faith in Mel K. The whole Sirius and XM seperate packages/marketing seems disjointed and confusing. There doesn't seem to be a long term strategy in place. They should have just shut down XM totally, simplify the packages, consolidate the marketing into one message. As it stands right now it's just confusing and expensive. Who do want to be Mel? Are you Sirius or XM? What are you going to do when howard's contract is up in a year and he retires? Do you want to charge by the content or by the way the content is delivered? Many questions and not a lot of answers]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:27:57 -0400
I have to tell you, as both a Sirius subscriber and shareholder, I'm starting to lose my faith in Mel K. The whole Sirius and XM seperate packages/marketing seems disjointed and confusing. There doesn't seem to be a long term strategy in place. They should have just shut down XM totally, simplify the packages, consolidate the marketing into one message. As it stands right now it's just confusing and expensive. Who do want to be Mel? Are you Sirius or XM? What are you going to do when howard's contract is up in a year and he retires? Do you want to charge by the content or by the way the content is delivered? Many questions and not a lot of answers]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/146261-optimistic-about-ford?source=feed#comment-568944 568944
So before you start crowning some Chinese company as the next big thing, understand that they have yet to prove they have either safety standards that are required or the reliability that is demanded. Many smart companies have gone belly up trying overcome these two major hurtles before. Additionally, Toyota has not launched these products not because they have inferior technology, but because they understand that all it takes is one battery exploding to ruin a 50 year reputation. Besides, there are about 200-300 auto companies in China already competing on the same value proposition.

I'm just saying, lots of question marks there, and I'm not ready to anoint them just yet.


On Jun 30 01:45 PM Mad Hedge Fund Trader wrote:

> Yes, but will they be able to beat BYD? Like Paul Revere on his midnight
> ride, I feel a patriotic duty towarn you of the foreign invasion
> that is headed our way. No I’m nottalking about the British, but
> redcoats of a more Eastern origin. I’mreferring to the Chinese electric
> car company “Build Your Dreams” (seekingalpha.com/symbo...
> www.byd.com/company.php). CEO Wang Chuan-Fu, who Charlie Munger
> describes as a combination ofGeneral Electric’s (seekingalpha.com/symbo...)
> legendary manager, Jack Welch, and inventorThomas Edison, scraped
> up $300,000 from relatives to start a knock off cell phone battery
> company in Shenzen in 1995. He grew the company into a massive, vertically
> integrated conglomerate, employing 130,000workaholics at 11 factories,
> including those in Hungary, Romania, andIndia (interesting choices).
> BYD bought a defunct car company in 2003and re-engineered it to launch
> the $22,000 F3DM sedan last year, an old technology ferrous oxide
> based plug-in hybrid that gets 62 miles on a charge. General Motors
> (seekingalpha.com/symbo...) Volt and Toyota’s (seekingalpha.com/symbo...)
> plug in Prius,which won’t come out until next year, will only get
> 40 miles per chargeand cost more. All-electric models are coming
> out this year. WarrenBuffet was so impressed, he made a rare foreign
> investment last year,asking for a 25% stake and settling for 10%
> for $230 million. Wang, who has already earned himself a place on
> the Forbes 400 list, intends to build BYD into the world’s largest
> automaker, and quickly. Why do Ifeel like this war is over before
> the first shots were even fired?]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:08:09 -0400
So before you start crowning some Chinese company as the next big thing, understand that they have yet to prove they have either safety standards that are required or the reliability that is demanded. Many smart companies have gone belly up trying overcome these two major hurtles before. Additionally, Toyota has not launched these products not because they have inferior technology, but because they understand that all it takes is one battery exploding to ruin a 50 year reputation. Besides, there are about 200-300 auto companies in China already competing on the same value proposition.

I'm just saying, lots of question marks there, and I'm not ready to anoint them just yet.


On Jun 30 01:45 PM Mad Hedge Fund Trader wrote:

> Yes, but will they be able to beat BYD? Like Paul Revere on his midnight
> ride, I feel a patriotic duty towarn you of the foreign invasion
> that is headed our way. No I’m nottalking about the British, but
> redcoats of a more Eastern origin. I’mreferring to the Chinese electric
> car company “Build Your Dreams” (seekingalpha.com/symbo...
> www.byd.com/company.php). CEO Wang Chuan-Fu, who Charlie Munger
> describes as a combination ofGeneral Electric’s (seekingalpha.com/symbo...)
> legendary manager, Jack Welch, and inventorThomas Edison, scraped
> up $300,000 from relatives to start a knock off cell phone battery
> company in Shenzen in 1995. He grew the company into a massive, vertically
> integrated conglomerate, employing 130,000workaholics at 11 factories,
> including those in Hungary, Romania, andIndia (interesting choices).
> BYD bought a defunct car company in 2003and re-engineered it to launch
> the $22,000 F3DM sedan last year, an old technology ferrous oxide
> based plug-in hybrid that gets 62 miles on a charge. General Motors
> (seekingalpha.com/symbo...) Volt and Toyota’s (seekingalpha.com/symbo...)
> plug in Prius,which won’t come out until next year, will only get
> 40 miles per chargeand cost more. All-electric models are coming
> out this year. WarrenBuffet was so impressed, he made a rare foreign
> investment last year,asking for a 25% stake and settling for 10%
> for $230 million. Wang, who has already earned himself a place on
> the Forbes 400 list, intends to build BYD into the world’s largest
> automaker, and quickly. Why do Ifeel like this war is over before
> the first shots were even fired?]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/146164-nyse-volume-lowest-since-january-5?source=feed#comment-568308 568308
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/p...]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:17:46 -0400
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/p...]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/145580-positioning-for-when-water-runs-out-part-ii?source=feed#comment-566814 566814 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:52:49 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/145645-why-i-d-buy-toyota-the-1-automaker-in-the-u-s?source=feed#comment-564141 564141
John, spreading lies only hurts you and your UAW buddies in the end. Evidence on 9/11 contributions...

www.snopes.com/rumors/...
web.archive.org/web/20...

Also, many GM vehicles sold in the US are actually produced in Mexico, Canada, and soon yes, China. So what really is an American car company anyway???



On Jun 26 01:21 PM John Eickholt wrote:

> Has Toyota help to build a American Hospital? Ford and GM have. What
> did Toyota give after 9/11? But Americans gave them free land and
> tax abatements for years. Toyota still imports almost 50% of what
> they sell here. I say lets hope Americans wake up and support American
> Co's.
> When our Governments lets foreign products in this country cheaper
> than where they were made. Its very sad. The Prius is 100% built
> in Japan and sold for $1000 less here.]]> Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:37:19 -0400
John, spreading lies only hurts you and your UAW buddies in the end. Evidence on 9/11 contributions...

www.snopes.com/rumors/...
web.archive.org/web/20...

Also, many GM vehicles sold in the US are actually produced in Mexico, Canada, and soon yes, China. So what really is an American car company anyway???



On Jun 26 01:21 PM John Eickholt wrote:

> Has Toyota help to build a American Hospital? Ford and GM have. What
> did Toyota give after 9/11? But Americans gave them free land and
> tax abatements for years. Toyota still imports almost 50% of what
> they sell here. I say lets hope Americans wake up and support American
> Co's.
> When our Governments lets foreign products in this country cheaper
> than where they were made. Its very sad. The Prius is 100% built
> in Japan and sold for $1000 less here.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/145267-citigroup-slammed-for-pay-hikes?source=feed#comment-563406 563406 Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:29:35 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/144477-why-i-d-avoid-toyota-the-1-automaker-in-the-u-s?source=feed#comment-559260 559260
www.snopes.com/rumors/...

web.archive.org/web/20...


On Jun 23 11:50 AM Richard/Babyface wrote:

> If Americans like driving Japanese cars so much, they should move
> there.I agree that the automakers did not do themselves any good
> building cars with problems, but it is time for ALL Americans to
> support american made products and companies.
> After 9/11, Gm,Chrysler and Ford donated $10 Million each to our
> cause. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Suzuki donated a total
> of ZERO!
> If you want to support companies that are one sided towards their
> own,then buy imported products. I question your loyaltyas an American.]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:23:27 -0400
www.snopes.com/rumors/...

web.archive.org/web/20...


On Jun 23 11:50 AM Richard/Babyface wrote:

> If Americans like driving Japanese cars so much, they should move
> there.I agree that the automakers did not do themselves any good
> building cars with problems, but it is time for ALL Americans to
> support american made products and companies.
> After 9/11, Gm,Chrysler and Ford donated $10 Million each to our
> cause. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Suzuki donated a total
> of ZERO!
> If you want to support companies that are one sided towards their
> own,then buy imported products. I question your loyaltyas an American.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/144477-why-i-d-avoid-toyota-the-1-automaker-in-the-u-s?source=feed#comment-557134 557134
You're kidding right... The beuracratic, self-serving, special interest driven, US Gov. as a "fearsome competitor?"

And Jimmy I understand your point, however, there is a huge difference between partnering for success and outright ownership. ]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:39:34 -0400
You're kidding right... The beuracratic, self-serving, special interest driven, US Gov. as a "fearsome competitor?"

And Jimmy I understand your point, however, there is a huge difference between partnering for success and outright ownership. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/376055-rad-sat-daily/9042-is-mature-programming-the-reason-the-howard-stern-show-is-not-on-the-iphone?source=feed#comment-553659 553659 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:54:15 -0400 http://seekingalpha.com/article/143848-long-awaited-sirius-xm-iphone-app-available-sans-howard-stern?source=feed#comment-552055 552055
I have to tell you, as both a Sirius subscriber and shareholder, I'm starting to lose my faith in Mel K. The whole Sirius and XM seperate packages/marketing seems disjointed and confusing. There doesn't seem to be a long term strategy in place. They should have just shut down XM totally, simplify the packages, consolidate the marketing into one message. As it stands right now it's just confusing. Who do want to be Mel? Sirius or XM? Do you want to charge by the content or my the way it's delivered. Pick a strategy and trying to be both just doesn't work. ]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:32:54 -0400
I have to tell you, as both a Sirius subscriber and shareholder, I'm starting to lose my faith in Mel K. The whole Sirius and XM seperate packages/marketing seems disjointed and confusing. There doesn't seem to be a long term strategy in place. They should have just shut down XM totally, simplify the packages, consolidate the marketing into one message. As it stands right now it's just confusing. Who do want to be Mel? Sirius or XM? Do you want to charge by the content or my the way it's delivered. Pick a strategy and trying to be both just doesn't work. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/142454-closing-car-dealerships-congress-says-not-so-fast?source=feed#comment-540719 540719
Why any lobbyist is allowed to "push" legislation is beyond me. The NADA have virtually written state franchise laws with no regard for anything but themselves. The fact that our elected officials jump to there every demand is disgusting. ]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:32:14 -0400
Why any lobbyist is allowed to "push" legislation is beyond me. The NADA have virtually written state franchise laws with no regard for anything but themselves. The fact that our elected officials jump to there every demand is disgusting. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/142057-the-coming-economic-collapse-part-3?source=feed#comment-538476 538476
It seems incomes have risen dramatically...for the executives. While everyone else struggles. I wonder if this was accounted for, woulld many of these be irrelevent points? Surely this should be factored into your analysis as well??? ]]> Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:06 -0400
It seems incomes have risen dramatically...for the executives. While everyone else struggles. I wonder if this was accounted for, woulld many of these be irrelevent points? Surely this should be factored into your analysis as well??? ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141851-the-coming-economic-collapse-part-2?source=feed#comment-538471 538471
It seems incomes have risen...for the executives. While everyone else struggles. I wonder if this was accounted for, would all these be irrelevent points? ]]> Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:24:13 -0400
It seems incomes have risen...for the executives. While everyone else struggles. I wonder if this was accounted for, would all these be irrelevent points? ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141605-the-coming-economic-collapse-part-1?source=feed#comment-538465 538465
It seems incomes have risen...for the executives. While everyone else struggles. I wonder if this was accounted for, woulld all these be irrelevent points?]]> Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:20:31 -0400
It seems incomes have risen...for the executives. While everyone else struggles. I wonder if this was accounted for, woulld all these be irrelevent points?]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141863-why-ford-is-a-goner?source=feed#comment-537384 537384 ]]> Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:17:30 -0400 ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141879-nasty-implications-of-the-uaw-owning-too-much-of-the-auto-industry?source=feed#comment-537173 537173
Please enlighten me.


On Jun 08 05:44 AM ROBERTGM wrote:

> I feel that a lot of people don't understand that the money is not
> going to the UAW. Its is going into a fund for the workers that is
> part of their wages that is owed to them for the work they already
> have done on the production line and the workers already made a profit
> for the stock and bond holders they had already recieved over the
> yeats. GM pays their electric bill, their bill for parts, etc., etc.
> this is GM'Slabor bills that they owe too & needs to be paid
> before any profit is paid to anyone else. Thank you.]]> Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:34:16 -0400
Please enlighten me.


On Jun 08 05:44 AM ROBERTGM wrote:

> I feel that a lot of people don't understand that the money is not
> going to the UAW. Its is going into a fund for the workers that is
> part of their wages that is owed to them for the work they already
> have done on the production line and the workers already made a profit
> for the stock and bond holders they had already recieved over the
> yeats. GM pays their electric bill, their bill for parts, etc., etc.
> this is GM'Slabor bills that they owe too & needs to be paid
> before any profit is paid to anyone else. Thank you.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141494-u-s-jobs-propaganda-gets-more-desperate?source=feed#comment-533765 533765

On Jun 05 12:34 PM Fred Linn wrote:

> ========"Elcopone, there is a BIG difference between merely "manipulating"
> numbers - as has been done to a steadily greater degree over a period
> of 30 years - and simply INVENTING numbers out of "thin air"."============
>
>
> True. However, there is no difference if a significant majority of
> people simply ignore them.
>
> When numbers and statistics are continuously adjusted, managed, manipulated,
> renamed, redefined, etc. etc.----credability is lost each time. This
> leads to a situation of increasingly greater and greater disparity
> between the statistics and reality. Eventually, the situation arrives
> at the point where the reality and the statistics are so glaringly
> in conflict, any trust and confidence in the statistics or other
> statements is simply dismissed. In order for propaganda to be effective,
> it must be trusted. When trust and audience receptiveness are lost,
> no amount of propaganda can bring it back. It is simply becomes a
> joke.
>
> Like my Dad used to say----"Don't believe anything you hear, and
> only half of what you see."
> ]]> Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:15:19 -0400

On Jun 05 12:34 PM Fred Linn wrote:

> ========"Elcopone, there is a BIG difference between merely "manipulating"
> numbers - as has been done to a steadily greater degree over a period
> of 30 years - and simply INVENTING numbers out of "thin air"."============
>
>
> True. However, there is no difference if a significant majority of
> people simply ignore them.
>
> When numbers and statistics are continuously adjusted, managed, manipulated,
> renamed, redefined, etc. etc.----credability is lost each time. This
> leads to a situation of increasingly greater and greater disparity
> between the statistics and reality. Eventually, the situation arrives
> at the point where the reality and the statistics are so glaringly
> in conflict, any trust and confidence in the statistics or other
> statements is simply dismissed. In order for propaganda to be effective,
> it must be trusted. When trust and audience receptiveness are lost,
> no amount of propaganda can bring it back. It is simply becomes a
> joke.
>
> Like my Dad used to say----"Don't believe anything you hear, and
> only half of what you see."
> ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141494-u-s-jobs-propaganda-gets-more-desperate?source=feed#comment-533764 533764

On Jun 05 12:34 PM Fred Linn wrote:

> ========"Elcopone, there is a BIG difference between merely "manipulating"
> numbers - as has been done to a steadily greater degree over a period
> of 30 years - and simply INVENTING numbers out of "thin air"."============
>
>
> True. However, there is no difference if a significant majority of
> people simply ignore them.
>
> When numbers and statistics are continuously adjusted, managed, manipulated,
> renamed, redefined, etc. etc.----credability is lost each time. This
> leads to a situation of increasingly greater and greater disparity
> between the statistics and reality. Eventually, the situation arrives
> at the point where the reality and the statistics are so glaringly
> in conflict, any trust and confidence in the statistics or other
> statements is simply dismissed. In order for propaganda to be effective,
> it must be trusted. When trust and audience receptiveness are lost,
> no amount of propaganda can bring it back. It is simply becomes a
> joke.
>
> Like my Dad used to say----"Don't believe anything you hear, and
> only half of what you see."
> ]]> Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:15:19 -0400

On Jun 05 12:34 PM Fred Linn wrote:

> ========"Elcopone, there is a BIG difference between merely "manipulating"
> numbers - as has been done to a steadily greater degree over a period
> of 30 years - and simply INVENTING numbers out of "thin air"."============
>
>
> True. However, there is no difference if a significant majority of
> people simply ignore them.
>
> When numbers and statistics are continuously adjusted, managed, manipulated,
> renamed, redefined, etc. etc.----credability is lost each time. This
> leads to a situation of increasingly greater and greater disparity
> between the statistics and reality. Eventually, the situation arrives
> at the point where the reality and the statistics are so glaringly
> in conflict, any trust and confidence in the statistics or other
> statements is simply dismissed. In order for propaganda to be effective,
> it must be trusted. When trust and audience receptiveness are lost,
> no amount of propaganda can bring it back. It is simply becomes a
> joke.
>
> Like my Dad used to say----"Don't believe anything you hear, and
> only half of what you see."
> ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141494-u-s-jobs-propaganda-gets-more-desperate?source=feed#comment-533758 533758
With all that is going on in the world, some meaningless unemployment manipulation should be the least of your worries.


On Jun 05 11:48 AM mdmrjsds wrote:

> On Jun 05 10:39 AM elcopone wrote:]]> Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:12:04 -0400
With all that is going on in the world, some meaningless unemployment manipulation should be the least of your worries.


On Jun 05 11:48 AM mdmrjsds wrote:

> On Jun 05 10:39 AM elcopone wrote:]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/141494-u-s-jobs-propaganda-gets-more-desperate?source=feed#comment-533446 533446 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:39:45 -0400