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You should note that the Ford Fusion gets the best (non-hybrid) fuel economy for a mid-sized sedan, the Chevy Equinox gets the best fuel economy for a mid-sized SUV, the GM full size trucks are best. These are the stats that matter and they correspond with the segments that sell the most so they have the most impact. At the other end of the spectrum, the Camaro and Corvette get amazing highway fuel economy, kicking the butt of their segment competitors. GM, Ford, Chrysler are a little low on the small car segments except for the Chevy Cobalt XFE. But, the press likes to bash Detroit and portray things in a way that makes them look bad. Just wait for the Chevy Cruze and the Ford Fiesta to kick some more fuel efficiency butt. ]]> Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:03:57 -0500
You should note that the Ford Fusion gets the best (non-hybrid) fuel economy for a mid-sized sedan, the Chevy Equinox gets the best fuel economy for a mid-sized SUV, the GM full size trucks are best. These are the stats that matter and they correspond with the segments that sell the most so they have the most impact. At the other end of the spectrum, the Camaro and Corvette get amazing highway fuel economy, kicking the butt of their segment competitors. GM, Ford, Chrysler are a little low on the small car segments except for the Chevy Cobalt XFE. But, the press likes to bash Detroit and portray things in a way that makes them look bad. Just wait for the Chevy Cruze and the Ford Fiesta to kick some more fuel efficiency butt. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/138960-auto-mpg-the-economics-of-cafe-part-one?source=feed#comment-512915 512915
And as for fuel tax increases being the way to go, that's like asking kids who are addicted to sugar if they want less sugar and they can vote to have parents that will give them as much sugar as they want or parents who will restrict how much sugar they can have. We are like such children in this regard. We want cheap gas and are outraged when the price goes too high. We feel that cheap gas is our God-given right and would never collectively vote in politicians that would raise gas taxes significantly, even if it was done gradually. There's also the part about such tax increases slowing down our economy and making transportation unaffordable for poor people.

CAFE is a decent solution but far from ideal. I think tax rebates on a sliding scale for cars more efficient than the standard are the way to go. These could be offset by sliding scale tax penalties on cars that get below the average.]]> Thu, 21 May 2009 11:23:42 -0400
And as for fuel tax increases being the way to go, that's like asking kids who are addicted to sugar if they want less sugar and they can vote to have parents that will give them as much sugar as they want or parents who will restrict how much sugar they can have. We are like such children in this regard. We want cheap gas and are outraged when the price goes too high. We feel that cheap gas is our God-given right and would never collectively vote in politicians that would raise gas taxes significantly, even if it was done gradually. There's also the part about such tax increases slowing down our economy and making transportation unaffordable for poor people.

CAFE is a decent solution but far from ideal. I think tax rebates on a sliding scale for cars more efficient than the standard are the way to go. These could be offset by sliding scale tax penalties on cars that get below the average.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/138075-general-motors-chrysler-cutting-their-way-to-greatness?source=feed#comment-507126 507126
The line "making cars people want to buy" is so overused and misleading, it's getting highly frustrating. Do you know who has recently sold the most mid-sized cars? GM, but just because the volume was spread out over many models, the press jumped all over it as GM doesn't sell cars people want. Sure, there were a lot of fleet sales a few years back, but that has been significantly cut back. GM also has many loyal buyers and so do Ford and Chrysler. Read the most recent quality stats and you'll see that the domestics often outperform imports. So, it's not as if the products are so bad.

I think automotive press writers need to start writing articles that are more fair so that people aren't convinced away from buying from companies based in OUR country.]]> Sun, 17 May 2009 10:43:40 -0400
The line "making cars people want to buy" is so overused and misleading, it's getting highly frustrating. Do you know who has recently sold the most mid-sized cars? GM, but just because the volume was spread out over many models, the press jumped all over it as GM doesn't sell cars people want. Sure, there were a lot of fleet sales a few years back, but that has been significantly cut back. GM also has many loyal buyers and so do Ford and Chrysler. Read the most recent quality stats and you'll see that the domestics often outperform imports. So, it's not as if the products are so bad.

I think automotive press writers need to start writing articles that are more fair so that people aren't convinced away from buying from companies based in OUR country.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/130415-cars-what-it-means-to-buy-american?source=feed#comment-458513 458513
I applaud Obama's stance. He realizes how important our auto manufacturing industry is economically, technologically, and for energy independence / national security.

People tend to forget that it's not just about where the vehicle is built, but where the work behind the design, engineering, marketing, finance, accounting, takes place too.

I think the unions did ask for too much up until recently, but if it weren't for unions, none of us would enjoy the benefits and protections we have today.

I was in Germany recently and I would say 80% of the cars I saw were German. If only we had that kind of patriotism here.

What else is made here anymore? We need manufacturing here for a strong economy. That's because we need to bring money into our economy by selling goods to other countries. We cannot survive as a service-based economy. You can't export haircuts and carwashes!]]> Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:03:48 -0400
I applaud Obama's stance. He realizes how important our auto manufacturing industry is economically, technologically, and for energy independence / national security.

People tend to forget that it's not just about where the vehicle is built, but where the work behind the design, engineering, marketing, finance, accounting, takes place too.

I think the unions did ask for too much up until recently, but if it weren't for unions, none of us would enjoy the benefits and protections we have today.

I was in Germany recently and I would say 80% of the cars I saw were German. If only we had that kind of patriotism here.

What else is made here anymore? We need manufacturing here for a strong economy. That's because we need to bring money into our economy by selling goods to other countries. We cannot survive as a service-based economy. You can't export haircuts and carwashes!]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/121886-william-holstein-on-why-gm-matters?source=feed#comment-399001 399001
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As for the Detroit 3 making cars nobody wants, that's total BS. Since when is nearly half the market nobody? There are many more viable competitors today than there were in the 60's. I'm not saying some mistakes weren't made, but some of the share loss is due to the increased number of choices.]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:07:11 -0500
As for the Detroit 3 making cars nobody wants, that's total BS. Since when is nearly half the market nobody? There are many more viable competitors today than there were in the 60's. I'm not saying some mistakes weren't made, but some of the share loss is due to the increased number of choices.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/117659-ford-strongest-of-the-three-and-rightfully-so?source=feed#comment-371073 371073
I do admire some of Ford's recent product moves and their quality improvements so some of the credit should go there, but we'll see how their small cars from Europe sell if gas prices stay low. On the whole, Americans don't really care about fuel economy or the environment. They care about their wallets first and foremost. (And they like vehicles that are larger and more powerful).]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:55:28 -0500
I do admire some of Ford's recent product moves and their quality improvements so some of the credit should go there, but we'll see how their small cars from Europe sell if gas prices stay low. On the whole, Americans don't really care about fuel economy or the environment. They care about their wallets first and foremost. (And they like vehicles that are larger and more powerful).]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/109571-as-gas-prices-fall-fuel-economy-loses-importance-to-auto-shoppers?source=feed#comment-323185 323185 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:25:33 -0500 http://seekingalpha.com/article/109533-aid-for-chrysler-why-i-m-saying-no?source=feed#comment-322830 322830 Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:08:25 -0500 http://seekingalpha.com/article/109490-big-bank-vs-big-car-the-bailouts-have-just-begun?source=feed#comment-322794 322794
As for justification behind the Detroit 3 loans, read my article, from somebody that actually knows the auto industry...

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As for justification behind the Detroit 3 loans, read my article, from somebody that actually knows the auto industry...

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You both touch on the fact that the Japanese and other transplant plants here are much newer. I agree that the US companies should have made more flexible plants for when market demands change, but is this possible at all of their locations without starting from scratch? I don't know.

As for arrogance, when I worked at GM, many of our engineers noticed even stronger arrogance and stubbornness from their German counterparts within the company. (That's not to say our American executives don't suffer from it).

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You both touch on the fact that the Japanese and other transplant plants here are much newer. I agree that the US companies should have made more flexible plants for when market demands change, but is this possible at all of their locations without starting from scratch? I don't know.

As for arrogance, when I worked at GM, many of our engineers noticed even stronger arrogance and stubbornness from their German counterparts within the company. (That's not to say our American executives don't suffer from it).

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Other companies cannot just "fill the void". Do you know what will happen to the supply base?

You really don't know anything about the auto industry if you haven't seen the latest quality results and the Car of The Year awards given to the Saturn AURA, Chevy Malibu, and the fact that in many segments, the Detroit companies sell more efficient alternatives than their Japan-based alternatives. And here's a newsflash for you: the Detroit 3 still sell nearly half of the cars and truck sold in the U.S.

What about all the tax incentives that the foreign companies received to build plants in so many states? Aren't those "bailouts"? The Detroit 3 are asking for LOANS not bailouts!

Please do our country a favor and don't act as an armchair quarterback when you don't even know about the auto industry and all that's involved in designing, engineering, developing, and manufacturing vehicles. You can't just start building cars like you an cell phones or like you can start a brewery.

I wrote an article about the loans to the auto industry and why they're necessary. The situation is not all the fault of the Detroit 3 and their decisions. Their products are better than the media gives credit for...

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Other companies cannot just "fill the void". Do you know what will happen to the supply base?

You really don't know anything about the auto industry if you haven't seen the latest quality results and the Car of The Year awards given to the Saturn AURA, Chevy Malibu, and the fact that in many segments, the Detroit companies sell more efficient alternatives than their Japan-based alternatives. And here's a newsflash for you: the Detroit 3 still sell nearly half of the cars and truck sold in the U.S.

What about all the tax incentives that the foreign companies received to build plants in so many states? Aren't those "bailouts"? The Detroit 3 are asking for LOANS not bailouts!

Please do our country a favor and don't act as an armchair quarterback when you don't even know about the auto industry and all that's involved in designing, engineering, developing, and manufacturing vehicles. You can't just start building cars like you an cell phones or like you can start a brewery.

I wrote an article about the loans to the auto industry and why they're necessary. The situation is not all the fault of the Detroit 3 and their decisions. Their products are better than the media gives credit for...

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I wrote an article about the loans to the auto industry and why they're necessary. The situation is not all the fault of the Detroit 3 and their products are better than the media gives credit for...

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I wrote an article about the loans to the auto industry and why they're necessary. The situation is not all the fault of the Detroit 3 and their products are better than the media gives credit for...

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I agree with the earlier comment that industry (and people) will be coming back to the Great Lakes in 10-15 years because they will need WATER, (the next oil). The Southwest and California are running out and Atlanta ran out last year.]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:58:24 -0500
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I agree with the earlier comment that industry (and people) will be coming back to the Great Lakes in 10-15 years because they will need WATER, (the next oil). The Southwest and California are running out and Atlanta ran out last year.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/108284-saab-may-be-gm-s-best-hope-for-the-future?source=feed#comment-317030 317030
As for the whole GM and Detroit 3 loan issue, I summarized all my thoughts on an article I wrote on my blog here...

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As for the whole GM and Detroit 3 loan issue, I summarized all my thoughts on an article I wrote on my blog here...

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This guy has some decent points but, it's not about who's to blame; it's about what should we do now for the good of the country.

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This guy has some decent points but, it's not about who's to blame; it's about what should we do now for the good of the country.

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For you to bring up the fact that the writer is not an American born citizen has no place in our comment. I am not one either. I was born in India, (presumably where Nirav is from based on his name), but I grew up in the Midwest from when I was a baby. I'm also a liberal and I have an MBA from the University of Michigan.

Don't go stereotyping people based on ethnicity and education.]]> Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:49:11 -0500
For you to bring up the fact that the writer is not an American born citizen has no place in our comment. I am not one either. I was born in India, (presumably where Nirav is from based on his name), but I grew up in the Midwest from when I was a baby. I'm also a liberal and I have an MBA from the University of Michigan.

Don't go stereotyping people based on ethnicity and education.]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/107365-does-the-auto-industry-deserve-to-be-bailed-out?source=feed#comment-312083 312083
Auto workers are not unskilled!!! Do you even know what the workers do besides screwing in bolts? Have you ever been to an assembly line, design studio, stamping plant, test track? They do modelmaking, tool maintenance, durability driving, data acquisition, computerized machining. What you call a "worker" is not just a person on the assembly line. And to say a monkey can do their job is insulting. Even with simpler jobs, what the lineworkers do is admirable considering the monotony, physical exertion, and risk of injury in certain cases. Desk jobs don't kill people but plant jobs can and do occasionally.

Perhaps they do make too much, but it's a legacy from prior UAW contracts that aren't the fault of current management. They are doing the right thing by fulfilling obligations and if they go bankrupt, (which will mean disaster for sales and our economy), then they will get out of the obligations but the healthcare and pension burden will be shifted onto the government. And nobody will buy a car at a reasonable price from a bankrupt company for fear of not getting parts and service.

By the way, I'm a white collar former GM employee, but these arguments by supposed "experts" have to stop. Learn what really goes on in the industry before you write such articles. You are doing a disservice to our workers, our auto industry, and our economy.

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Auto workers are not unskilled!!! Do you even know what the workers do besides screwing in bolts? Have you ever been to an assembly line, design studio, stamping plant, test track? They do modelmaking, tool maintenance, durability driving, data acquisition, computerized machining. What you call a "worker" is not just a person on the assembly line. And to say a monkey can do their job is insulting. Even with simpler jobs, what the lineworkers do is admirable considering the monotony, physical exertion, and risk of injury in certain cases. Desk jobs don't kill people but plant jobs can and do occasionally.

Perhaps they do make too much, but it's a legacy from prior UAW contracts that aren't the fault of current management. They are doing the right thing by fulfilling obligations and if they go bankrupt, (which will mean disaster for sales and our economy), then they will get out of the obligations but the healthcare and pension burden will be shifted onto the government. And nobody will buy a car at a reasonable price from a bankrupt company for fear of not getting parts and service.

By the way, I'm a white collar former GM employee, but these arguments by supposed "experts" have to stop. Learn what really goes on in the industry before you write such articles. You are doing a disservice to our workers, our auto industry, and our economy.

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You severely underestimate the value that these three companies have brought to the US economy over the last 100 years.

Our government needs to help our industrial base just as other countries do. To not do so would be foolish.

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You severely underestimate the value that these three companies have brought to the US economy over the last 100 years.

Our government needs to help our industrial base just as other countries do. To not do so would be foolish.

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The Detroit Three need a more level playing field when it comes to trade fairness, healthcare/pension costs, currency manipulation. That's a big part of it, but their management should share some of the blame too. To let them fail would hurt our economy immensely and it would reduce our national security and platform from which to develop alternative energy technologies since much of what we use is for transportation.

I think I should write articles for this site since I have real automotive experience. You can get a taste here...

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The Detroit Three need a more level playing field when it comes to trade fairness, healthcare/pension costs, currency manipulation. That's a big part of it, but their management should share some of the blame too. To let them fail would hurt our economy immensely and it would reduce our national security and platform from which to develop alternative energy technologies since much of what we use is for transportation.

I think I should write articles for this site since I have real automotive experience. You can get a taste here...

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Perhaps unions began to expect too much, but I would much rather these people make more money than the executives make millions more. They can lay people off to help the bottom line but who's going to buy your products if nobody has a well-paying job to be able to afford them? Will that help business in the long term?

As for people who say the Domestic Three make cars nobody wants, you should go drive some and check out the latest quality surveys and then talk. It's really sad that we're not at all patriotic when it comes to one of the last manufactured products developed and/or made in our country. I think we should reward companies that treat their employees well by buying their products. Instead we reward ones that overwork their employees to the point of them committing suicide. To wish for the Domestic Three's downfall is sheer stupidity as the related job losses in other industries would be devastating. Healthcare, advertising, legal services, construction, banking all will be affected. Your job may be affected even if you don't live in Michigan!

Not to dismiss some of the management mistakes these companies have made, but the playing field hasn't been level for a long time and the Bush/Republican administration did nothing about healthcare, currency manipulation, unfair trade practices. A domestic auto industry owned by American corporations is important to our national security too. Toyota and VW plants in the US won't be volunteering to make tanks and defense parts if we ever enter into a real global war.

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Perhaps unions began to expect too much, but I would much rather these people make more money than the executives make millions more. They can lay people off to help the bottom line but who's going to buy your products if nobody has a well-paying job to be able to afford them? Will that help business in the long term?

As for people who say the Domestic Three make cars nobody wants, you should go drive some and check out the latest quality surveys and then talk. It's really sad that we're not at all patriotic when it comes to one of the last manufactured products developed and/or made in our country. I think we should reward companies that treat their employees well by buying their products. Instead we reward ones that overwork their employees to the point of them committing suicide. To wish for the Domestic Three's downfall is sheer stupidity as the related job losses in other industries would be devastating. Healthcare, advertising, legal services, construction, banking all will be affected. Your job may be affected even if you don't live in Michigan!

Not to dismiss some of the management mistakes these companies have made, but the playing field hasn't been level for a long time and the Bush/Republican administration did nothing about healthcare, currency manipulation, unfair trade practices. A domestic auto industry owned by American corporations is important to our national security too. Toyota and VW plants in the US won't be volunteering to make tanks and defense parts if we ever enter into a real global war.

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I don't get Mr. Stein's relocation assistance for handymen. If we don't manufacture goods in our country for export, we won't have people who can afford to upgrade their homes or get handywork done. Exporting services is not nearly as lucrative as exporting manufactured goods. That applies to the whole economy as well as individual workers, engineers, marketers, etc...

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I don't get Mr. Stein's relocation assistance for handymen. If we don't manufacture goods in our country for export, we won't have people who can afford to upgrade their homes or get handywork done. Exporting services is not nearly as lucrative as exporting manufactured goods. That applies to the whole economy as well as individual workers, engineers, marketers, etc...

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It just angers me when people say that Detroit doesn't make products people want to buy. Being number two and number three in sales doesn't mean nobody wants your products. I would buy a GM product over a Toyota or a Honda any day. Many of GM's products are amongst the most efficient in their segments. I don't understand why we are so unpatriotic as a nation when it comes to buying things made in our country or at least engineered and developed by companies based here. The press is also to blame as they highlight negatives about Detroit way more than they do about the Japanese. They even criticize the Volt without fully understanding how it works or who the target market is.

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It just angers me when people say that Detroit doesn't make products people want to buy. Being number two and number three in sales doesn't mean nobody wants your products. I would buy a GM product over a Toyota or a Honda any day. Many of GM's products are amongst the most efficient in their segments. I don't understand why we are so unpatriotic as a nation when it comes to buying things made in our country or at least engineered and developed by companies based here. The press is also to blame as they highlight negatives about Detroit way more than they do about the Japanese. They even criticize the Volt without fully understanding how it works or who the target market is.

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As for your quote...
"No one in Washington has shown an ounce of leadership in decades. True leadership requires strength of character, clear vision to see the future as it is, the bravery to make unpopular decisions, and the honesty to tell the public the unvarnished truth based on the facts."

Nobody will get voted in to office by saying unpopular things! That is the problem with a democracy/republic. Any mention of raising taxes or sacrifice will lead to an assurance that the other candidate will win.

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As for your quote...
"No one in Washington has shown an ounce of leadership in decades. True leadership requires strength of character, clear vision to see the future as it is, the bravery to make unpopular decisions, and the honesty to tell the public the unvarnished truth based on the facts."

Nobody will get voted in to office by saying unpopular things! That is the problem with a democracy/republic. Any mention of raising taxes or sacrifice will lead to an assurance that the other candidate will win.

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As for not making a dent in global demand, how can any one model of car do that!? And it's not ironic that the Volt will be appearing when we have our worst oil shortage ever; it will be offered to help slow the shortage a little bit and it will provide customers with a product they want.

Seeking Alpha contributors on the auto industry seem to be trying to drive GM's stock down further with their negative spin on all things GM. So that means they're either working for a competitor and/or they are shorting GM stock.

For full disclosure, I'm on the Volt waiting list and I'm a former GM employee by the way.

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As for not making a dent in global demand, how can any one model of car do that!? And it's not ironic that the Volt will be appearing when we have our worst oil shortage ever; it will be offered to help slow the shortage a little bit and it will provide customers with a product they want.

Seeking Alpha contributors on the auto industry seem to be trying to drive GM's stock down further with their negative spin on all things GM. So that means they're either working for a competitor and/or they are shorting GM stock.

For full disclosure, I'm on the Volt waiting list and I'm a former GM employee by the way.

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The whole new CAFE system is somewhat "game-able" on an individual model basis since the requirements depend on the footprint of the car. Expect to see longer wider vehicles than before. In the end though, the net effect on the environment should be the same since the overall corporate average requirements count towards the penalty. ]]> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:06:52 -0400
The whole new CAFE system is somewhat "game-able" on an individual model basis since the requirements depend on the footprint of the car. Expect to see longer wider vehicles than before. In the end though, the net effect on the environment should be the same since the overall corporate average requirements count towards the penalty. ]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/76529-gm-about-to-throw-away-more-money?source=feed#comment-164765 164765
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