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Fannie and Freddie Did Not Cause This Crisis

Here's how we get out of this:
Plan B: The Mortgage Investment Bill
for Reviving the Economy

by Stan Muse

The Federal Reserve is out of Federal Funds rate options and now the Congress is about to pass legislation which will be the largest bailout bill in the history of the world. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now penny stocks with perhaps over 1000 bank failures yet to come. The American taxpayer will be told that they and their children will be writing big checks to rescue the Wall Street crooks and congressmen that caused all the problems, while receiving nothing in return.

Anyone who has been following recent congressional hearings knows by now that this is unacceptable to Main Street, the voters who will be firing their congressmen for turning the USA into a socialist country. It is also widely believed that this bailout bill may not be embraced by Wall Street because of its onerous terms even if passed. Finally, it will not provide sufficient liquidity for improving the rest of the economy.

A much more effective and fairer way to end our economic crisis is easily attainable. To state it simply, all Congress has to do is to pass a Mortgage Investment bill which allows individuals a one-time option to use some of the funds in their IRAs to pay off their mortgage balance in full, without any penalty, interest, or taxes for doing so. In return, individuals choosing to exercise this option give up their mortgage interest tax deduction for life. This bill could be passed quickly and independently of any other economy-related legislation currently being debated, or included in the current bill. Individuals choosing this option would need sufficient IRA funds to pay mortgage balance in full. The actual payment to the individual’s mortgage company would be done by the IRA managing institution to avoid fraud.

As one senator recently stated, ‘for most people their home is their IRA’. For many others, their 401-K plans hold many trillions of dollars, much of which by now is parked in money market funds or T-bills as mine is. If these IRA funds could be released to pay off mortgages, we could possibly avert, or at least significantly shorten, the economic recession we now find ourselves in. In fact, no other bailout legislation may even be necessary, although more regulatory legislation is certainly needed.

I asked Allan Meltzer, Arthur Segel, and Ellen Zentner to review this proposal and received some positive responses. Ellen said it seemed to be fool-proof and better than a reverse mortgage. In fact, it is a no-brainer for the homeowner with a large 401-K balance, and for the government. The only people who might object, as Ellen stated, are the bankers who want to keep homeowners dependant on them, especially those in the upper-income group. But even the bankers can not want the government to own a large stake in their business for a multitude of reasons.

It makes sense to allow people to use their IRA money, which they earned, to invest in the best and safest investment they could ever make, their home. Presumably they will need a place to live in retirement on a fixed income. It makes no sense for someone with more than enough IRA funds to cover their mortgage balance to loose their home because they lost their job and can not pay their mortgage. It also makes sense because it is not some form of government bailout which rewards the bad behavior of mortgage companies and unqualified borrowers. Instead, it rewards the good behavior of those who have saved and invested in the economy

If only 5 million people chose this option, for an average of only $200,000 each, the result would be $1 Trillion in paid-off mortgages, providing liquidity to the mortgage industry. By executing the option, an individual’s annual mortgage payment would become disposable income to put back into the economy or back into IRA accounts. To the individual, the effect is the same as lowering taxes. If only 5 Million people were able to put back $20,000 per year into the economy, the result would be a $100 Billion per year stimulus package for many years to come.

In my case, with $800K in IRAs and a secure pension, I would increase disposable income by $1600 per month while reducing the IRA balance by only $160K, but saving over $120K in future interest payments. I could retire, which I can not afford to now, and leave my six figure job to someone else. I could also quickly replenish the IRA money used to pay off my mortgage with the extra income.

Adding a further provision to delay receiving Social Security payments for a year in order to exercise the option would be a baby step towards privatization of Social Security. Anyone financially able to exercise the option should be able to delay the payments. For every 5 million people choosing the option, approximately $100 Billion would remain in the Social Security fund. This could fix our problems with Social Security for good.

Some of the benefits of this plan would be to:

• Immediately increase an individual’s or married couple’s disposable income by tens of thousands of dollars each year while enabling them to become debt free, helping families to stay together
• Save homeowners hundreds of thousands of dollars in mortgage interest payments
• Encourage individual IRA savings by many who have never saved
• Allow many people to retire earlier than they otherwise could
• Create demand for housing, reducing inventory, and stopping the decline in home prices
• Stimulate the overall economy, creating and saving jobs
• Not cost the government anything, and actually Increase federal, state, and local tax revenues by eliminating individual mortgage interest tax deductions, without raising tax rates
• Force the banks to sell their good loan assets to cover their bad loan losses, instead of forcing the taxpayer to buy their worst loans, and increase liquidity for new loans to those who need them
• Allow the free market economy to work through the crisis rather than resorting to socialism
• Not increase the national debt nor the money supply as a bailout would do and contribute to inflation
• Allow the individual home owner to the freedom to become their own banker with the money they earn, reducing America’s dependence on bankers, and changing America from renters and borrowers to homeowners and savers


The merits of this simple plan, the Mortgage Investment bill, for saving the economy, instead of trillions of dollars for a Wall Street bailout which will socialize the finance industry, are obvious and would benefit everyone involved. The individual gets more disposable income and a chance to live debt free, the capital markets get needed liquidity, the government collects more taxes and collects them sooner at the expense of the bankers, the housing market gets more demand, and the general economy gets a much needed boost for the next few years.

Democrats should like this plan because they can claim that it lets the wealthy pay for this mess. Republicans should like it because it increases disposable income, which has the same effect the same lowering taxes. The average voter should like it because it addresses all segments of the economy with a huge economic stimulus package, not just Wall Street, and costs nothing while helping to pay off the national debt and potentially fixing Social Security.

Fannie and Freddie Did Not Cause This Crisis

Socialism forced on capitalism caused most of the problems. Managing the business quarter to quarter caused the rest.

How the Rescue Plan Affects Sirius

163888

Yep , lots of people were fooled by the immediate effect of the bailout bill being passed on the banks. Luckily I had a 2% stop on the trade. But look at the charts, XLF will be back above 22 within a week or two.
It came back 1.75 in the last 2 hours. There is a tremendous amount of support there.

I told you SIRI would go to .50. It actually hit .45 today. I didnt expect it to happen so fast.

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Why no mention of IBM, the inventor of VM? IBM has the best VM platform for Linux consolidation under z/VM on the z Systems platform. It runs on the Integrated Platform for Linux (IFL) processors.

Sirius XM's Bottom Line Could Get a Boost from "Best Of" Programming

The combined SIRI & XM market cap in now $1.9B. That's half what XMSR by itself at $3.8B was pre-merger. Where are all those buyers Mel was afraid of now? Hmmm. Why don't they buy a much better company, a monopoly, at half that price now?

You guys still think the merger was a good move? Get serious.

Sirius XM's Bottom Line Could Get a Boost from "Best Of" Programming

I know , but if there is a reverse split, bend over.

Sirius XM's Bottom Line Could Get a Boost from "Best Of" Programming

Good plan - reverse split & get the stock price higher so SIRI can issue new shares to get you guys to pay for some more of the debt, dilluting your shares further. Excellent!

How the Rescue Plan Affects Sirius

16388, as a holder of SIRI I know you have more patience than that. I said a day or two.

How the Rescue Plan Affects Sirius

Looks like they have the votes to pass it. I bought the XLF at 20.34. It will go to at least 24 after the vote. That's like SIRI going to .72. Jump in for a 17% profit in a day or two.

How the Rescue Plan Affects Sirius

It's not looking good for the bailout bill. The XLF has dropped from 20.43 to 20.21 in the last hour. If it fails get ready for SIRI to go to .50. If it passes the SIRI will not participate in the upswing but will get trashed in the profitaking after the announcement.

Time to End Government Dickering Before It's Too Late

Plan B: The Mortgage Investment Bill
for Reviving the Economy

by Stan Muse

The Federal Reserve is out of Federal Funds rate options and now the Congress is about to pass legislation which will be the largest bailout bill in the history of the world. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are now penny stocks with perhaps over 1000 bank failures yet to come. The American taxpayer will be told that they and their children will be writing big checks to rescue the Wall Street crooks and congressmen that caused all the problems, while receiving nothing in return.

Anyone who has been following recent congressional hearings knows by now that this is unacceptable to Main Street, the voters who will be firing their congressmen for turning the USA into a socialist country. It is also widely believed that this bailout bill may not be embraced by Wall Street because of its onerous terms even if passed. Finally, it will not provide sufficient liquidity for improving the rest of the economy.

A much more effective and fairer way to end our economic crisis is easily attainable. To state it simply, all Congress has to do is to pass a Mortgage Investment bill which allows individuals a one-time option to use some of the funds in their IRAs to pay off their mortgage balance in full, without any penalty, interest, or taxes for doing so. In return, individuals choosing to exercise this option give up their mortgage interest tax deduction for life. This bill could be passed quickly and independently of any other economy-related legislation currently being debated, or included in the current bill. Individuals choosing this option would need sufficient IRA funds to pay mortgage balance in full. The actual payment to the individual’s mortgage company would be done by the IRA managing institution to avoid fraud.

As one senator recently stated, ‘for most people their home is their IRA’. For many others, their 401-K plans hold many trillions of dollars, much of which by now is parked in money market funds or T-bills as mine is. If these IRA funds could be released to pay off mortgages, we could possibly avert, or at least significantly shorten, the economic recession we now find ourselves in. In fact, no other bailout legislation may even be necessary, although more regulatory legislation is certainly needed.

I asked Allan Meltzer, Arthur Segel, and Ellen Zentner to review this proposal and received some positive responses. Ellen said it seemed to be fool-proof and better than a reverse mortgage. In fact, it is a no-brainer for the homeowner with a large 401-K balance, and for the government. The only people who might object, as Ellen stated, are the bankers who want to keep homeowners dependant on them, especially those in the upper-income group. But even the bankers can not want the government to own a large stake in their business for a multitude of reasons.

It makes sense to allow people to use their IRA money, which they earned, to invest in the best and safest investment they could ever make, their home. Presumably they will need a place to live in retirement on a fixed income. It makes no sense for someone with more than enough IRA funds to cover their mortgage balance to loose their home because they lost their job and can not pay their mortgage. It also makes sense because it is not some form of government bailout which rewards the bad behavior of mortgage companies and unqualified borrowers. Instead, it rewards the good behavior of those who have saved and invested in the economy

If only 5 million people chose this option, for an average of only $200,000 each, the result would be $1 Trillion in paid-off mortgages, providing liquidity to the mortgage industry. By executing the option, an individual’s annual mortgage payment would become disposable income to put back into the economy or back into IRA accounts. To the individual, the effect is the same as lowering taxes. If only 5 Million people were able to put back $20,000 per year into the economy, the result would be a $100 Billion per year stimulus package for many years to come.

In my case, with $800K in IRAs and a secure pension, I would increase disposable income by $1600 per month while reducing the IRA balance by only $160K, but saving over $120K in future interest payments. I could retire, which I can not afford to now, and leave my six figure job to someone else. I could also quickly replenish the IRA money used to pay off my mortgage with the extra income.

Adding a further provision to delay receiving Social Security payments for a year in order to exercise the option would be a baby step towards privatization of Social Security. Anyone financially able to exercise the option should be able to delay the payments. For every 5 million people choosing the option, approximately $100 Billion would remain in the Social Security fund. This could fix our problems with Social Security for good.

Some of the benefits of this plan would be to:

• Immediately increase an individual’s or married couple’s disposable income by tens of thousands of dollars each year while enabling them to become debt free, helping families to stay together
• Save homeowners hundreds of thousands of dollars in mortgage interest payments
• Encourage individual IRA savings by many who have never saved
• Allow many people to retire earlier than they otherwise could
• Create demand for housing, reducing inventory, and stopping the decline in home prices
• Stimulate the overall economy, creating and saving jobs
• Not cost the government anything, and actually Increase federal, state, and local tax revenues by eliminating individual mortgage interest tax deductions, without raising tax rates
• Force the banks to sell their good loan assets to cover their bad loan losses, instead of forcing the taxpayer to buy their worst loans, and increase liquidity for new loans to those who need them
• Allow the free market economy to work through the crisis rather than resorting to socialism
• Not increase the national debt nor the money supply as a bailout would do and contribute to inflation
• Allow the individual home owner to the freedom to become their own banker with the money they earn, reducing America’s dependence on bankers, and changing America from renters and borrowers to homeowners and savers


The merits of this simple plan, the Mortgage Investment bill, for saving the economy, instead of trillions of dollars for a Wall Street bailout which will socialize the finance industry, are obvious and would benefit everyone involved. The individual gets more disposable income and a chance to live debt free, the capital markets get needed liquidity, the government collects more taxes and collects them sooner at the expense of the bankers, the housing market gets more demand, and the general economy gets a much needed boost for the next few years.

Democrats should like this plan because they can claim that it lets the wealthy pay for this mess. Republicans should like it because it increases disposable income, which has the same effect the same lowering taxes. The average voter should like it because it addresses all segments of the economy with a huge economic stimulus package, not just Wall Street, and costs nothing while helping to pay off the national debt and potentially fixing Social Security.

Sirius XM's Bottom Line Could Get a Boost from "Best Of" Programming

learn to think, don't forget mel's statement that he hoped thet he did not have to loan the company any money. What a buffool. Do you think the lenders will remember that when SIRI tries to refinance?

How the Rescue Plan Affects Sirius

holdon, I suggest you paper trade for a year or two. No offense but you really should not risk your money on stocks with that philosophy. Never, Never trade without a stop price and an exit price .

Sirius XM's Bottom Line Could Get a Boost from "Best Of" Programming

Sorry, I was just looking at the Rueters financial statements for SIRI. Suggest you do the same. The facts are there my friend.

I think you have a lot of wishful thinking on the revenue side and for any more borrowing given the economy and credit markets. Both Ford and GM are broke although they won't admit it. How else would they have gotten a congressional bailout package? If Ford fails it will put a huge dent in the revenue, and it looks like they will within 6 months. Your best investment now may be a convertable Mustang, which will be worth a lot later and you can use in the mean time.

Has it occured to anyone else that Mel totally and intentionally screwed all of us who had risked a lot of money on the merger getting approved, and even bought more stock just before it. All of our analysis on the merger was right, except the Mel factor. He anticipated our selling on news of the merger and beat us all to the punch by issuing new shares to pay the debt at our expense. All that crap about doing it quickly because he was afraid of a suit to block the merger was crap. You can not trust him. He will screw you again.

Sirius XM's Bottom Line Could Get a Boost from "Best Of" Programming

killer, I understand your paranoria. I suffered from it too. The answer is NO. I have never and will never short this stock.

Now, I am a day trader and I will do what day traders do. I will look for buying and selling opportunities within cycles and may play a little ping pong with this stock. I suspect that you have been experiencing that from other day traders as you sit and cherr for SIRI to go up and stay up. OMMMMM, OMMMMM. That doesn't work.

The last 2 years of owning SIRI have been as fun as almost burning to death. I feel for you and understand your pain.