Don't Let Bulk Shippers Sink Your Portfolio... For Now [View article]
24 HRS after my comment, DRYS is down 20%+ because of an WS Journal article. Beware trying to catch a falling knife! DRYS hasn't traded long enough, but I looked at others to see the 2002-3 recession lows, Here they are ("watch out below!"):
EXM $9 recession low $0.90, or 90% downside !!!!!! (dry shipper) NAT $31 recession low $10 or 70% downside (tanker) FRO $31 rec.low $1.84 or 94% downside !!!!!!! (tanker)
NOTE: I looked at 50 shippers. Most are "recently" public (05-06... and I've read 90% are STILL private). AXB, TK are the only ones with a long enough history to see that they are CURRENTLY NEAR the '02 recession lows (ie, near a sustainable bottom?). Importantly, AXB is "HARDLY" volatile at all and carries a lower debt load; however, the trade off is a lower dividend and a lower "rebound".
What am I doing? Probably nothing (besides sitting on my buy-write).
Don't Let Bulk Shippers Sink Your Portfolio... For Now [View article]
I don't know much fundamentally about shippers, but the bullish comments here are a negative contrarian signal. Obviously not everyone has thrown in the towel yet, so I am hesitant to invest.
Further, comments about ALL the bad news already being priced in seems premature. How do you know? Forget the "E" in PE; academic studies show Wall Street analysts underestimate on the upside and overestimate on the downside. In other words, "E" goes down faster than WS analysts anticipate. These stocks could get a low cheaper, especially where there is heavy debt.
I've bought a small position in TBSI around $9, but had I done it the first time it was $9 (2005), I would have lost 40% at one point. How many people hold on to those type of losses? Some, but many eventually "throw in the towel". What if I had waited to $18? Well, sure I would have missed the first double, BUT I still would have experienced a quadruple (the same ratios exist on, say, DRYS). SO you can wait.
Also, I'm writing calls against my TBSI as a way to produce additional income. If it gets called away, fine - the return would be 20% annualized. If it doesn't, I'll keep selling calls. And I can keep doing this UNTIL a bottom seems a higher probability. (TBSI doesn't pay a dividend, but you could do this with DRYS, which pays a "realistic" dividend....)
Lastly, buying any stock for "unrealistic dividends" is a losers game. Trust me, I've played it often (and finally learned). Unrealistic dividends GET CUT. STOCKS GAP DOWN when dividends get cut. Like I said earlier, I don't know a lot about shippers fundamentals, but I would almost be willing to guess that you buy them when dividends STINK (?). THAT is when fundamentals are truly crappy (and bottoming).
Don't Let Bulk Shippers Sink Your Portfolio... For Now [View article]
EXM $9 recession low $0.90, or 90% downside !!!!!! (dry shipper)
NAT $31 recession low $10 or 70% downside (tanker)
FRO $31 rec.low $1.84 or 94% downside !!!!!!! (tanker)
NOTE: I looked at 50 shippers. Most are "recently" public (05-06... and I've read 90% are STILL private). AXB, TK are the only ones with a long enough history to see that they are CURRENTLY NEAR the '02 recession lows (ie, near a sustainable bottom?). Importantly, AXB is "HARDLY" volatile at all and carries a lower debt load; however, the trade off is a lower dividend and a lower "rebound".
What am I doing? Probably nothing (besides sitting on my buy-write).
Don't Let Bulk Shippers Sink Your Portfolio... For Now [View article]
Further, comments about ALL the bad news already being priced in seems premature. How do you know? Forget the "E" in PE; academic studies show Wall Street analysts underestimate on the upside and overestimate on the downside. In other words, "E" goes down faster than WS analysts anticipate. These stocks could get a low cheaper, especially where there is heavy debt.
I've bought a small position in TBSI around $9, but had I done it the first time it was $9 (2005), I would have lost 40% at one point. How many people hold on to those type of losses? Some, but many eventually "throw in the towel". What if I had waited to $18? Well, sure I would have missed the first double, BUT I still would have experienced a quadruple (the same ratios exist on, say, DRYS). SO you can wait.
Also, I'm writing calls against my TBSI as a way to produce additional income. If it gets called away, fine - the return would be 20% annualized. If it doesn't, I'll keep selling calls. And I can keep doing this UNTIL a bottom seems a higher probability. (TBSI doesn't pay a dividend, but you could do this with DRYS, which pays a "realistic" dividend....)
Lastly, buying any stock for "unrealistic dividends" is a losers game. Trust me, I've played it often (and finally learned). Unrealistic dividends GET CUT. STOCKS GAP DOWN when dividends get cut. Like I said earlier, I don't know a lot about shippers fundamentals, but I would almost be willing to guess that you buy them when dividends STINK (?). THAT is when fundamentals are truly crappy (and bottoming).