jack dee

Murdoch’s Bing Bluster Will Hurt News Corp, Not Google

Are we even on the same page here?
This has not got much to do with WSJ or some other mags/Newspapers.

This is all about a huge media empire , spanning Fox news, premier league football ( the biggest money sports league in world), BSKYB, slew of paper and offline products. online there is MySpace and other offerings.


I am not saying that Rupert is on to a sure fired win here, I am saying he is simply too powerful to dismiss as a crank or blowhard.

Pull all indexing of WSJ , a slew big name talking heads, Premier league, SkyNews, Times , FOX media interactive, Myspace etc

And what if , Newscorps somehow managed to Dis onboard,


now tell me it does not matter?

Will Microsoft Get Squeezed by Chrome OS?

it might be like you got a car and cant get parts, but we are talking a thirty year old car!
Win 3 was another time, you cant expect any company to support a format for 30 years.

Further more, MSFT is the gold standard for backwards compatibility
Apple has dumps it users completely. They dropped everything pre OSX! now thats a crime.


On Nov 24 08:55 AM unfaire wrote:

> If my memory is correct, in the mid 80's, while IBM was offering
> $200 OS2 for PC, Microsoft came out with Windws 3 for only $27 or
> so including Words, Excel, and PowerPoint. I got both of them but
> I immediately abandoned OS2 for Windows for the latter's easy of
> use as well as integration of various aspects of PC operation. At
> the time, OMB OS2 was the defacto standard for big corporations and
> corporate IT people were looking down at Windows as cheap toys.<br/>Now
> 20 years later, Microsft is behaving like IBM then, and worse. I
> do appreciate the new Windows 7 and the all the wonderful features
> of Windows. But Microsoft is now behaving like (and as) monopoly
> with little regards for users. For example, we have files which go
> all the way back to Windows 3 and Microsoft has abandoned the backward
> compatibility for their own products. It is like you bought a car
> and after a while you cannot get its parts anymore. But, cars get
> junked but our files do not.
> Windows also got very intransparent about interface with non-Windows
> software and hardware and that interface keeps some vendors like
> Adobe tied so tightly with Windows. Of course, with each upgrade
> of Windows, we have to do the expensive Photoshop upgrade and that
> keep both of them very happy.
> But, we start to see the terrible effects of this intrasparent interface.
> Just ask someone with Windows Vista or Windows 7, they suffered so
> much Blue Screen Of Death as well as Screen Freeze. And, they are
> VERY slow in fixing them and the vendors like HP are hanging their
> customer high and dry.
> I believe many people are hoping Google Chrome OS or anyone else
> will come to relief them from the high cost and unnecessarily complicated
> Windows monopoly.
> Someday, someone will succeed in dethroning Microsoft, as Microsoft
> did to IBM, big corporate users notwithstanding, if Microsoft keeps
> going the way they do today.

Why Microsoft's Google-Blocking Plan Won't Work

>>1,000 brands, account for only 4.1% of top search results vs. 13.6% for Wikipedia. Let me repeat that: Wikipedia comes up in the most valuable position in search three times more than all the top publishers of Germany combined.<<

position vs value . I question the value of the millions of wiki clicks to define a word, or scan a off beat topic. When compared to a single click on high value mag. If Wikipedia offered current content , opinion pieces, politics then sure perhaps.


To dismiss News corp as a flea shows a real distance from the common man.
I find glenn beck offensive , but I know people who would cancel their ISP rather than lose his antics.
FOX is a favorite of the other half. The many newspapers and mag add up fast. Newcorp has focused on exclusive content right from the start, in fact, News Corps has well over 30% ownership of BSKYB.
Now pleas tell me soccer does not matter, so the rest of the world can howl in laughter.
Newscorps reaches deep, they have been careful to control key content, the question is who is the flea and who is the elephant.
while my last comment might be overstating things, suggesting that newscorp is but a flea is a gross injustice to one of the most powerful media conglomerates in the world.

Bing Tries to Buy the News

Tell us more Tom, it appears you are under the false impression that exclusive contracts are against the law?
Any company can get a legally binding contract the excludes competitors to the point they are driven out of business.

There thousands of deals that lock out others all the time. Exclusives are designed to exclude, and it is in no way against law for companies to collude in order to defeat a rival.

The danger is when a company uses its power to force other companies into deals etc.

Indexing is merely a distribution channel, these are commonly exclusive, think of cell phone carriers if that helps you, it is one style of many.


On Nov 23 02:46 PM Tom B wrote:

> "Rupert Murdoch is pointing a gun to Google’s head, and Microsoft
> (MSFT) is helping him pull back the trigger."
>
> Murdoch and Ballmer are pointing a gun at their own feet.
>
> If they pull a transparent stunt like this, the DoJ will shut them
> down faster than you can spell A-N-T-I-T-R-U-S-T. We don't have a
> mama's-boy, like Bush, sitting in the White House now, like we did
> for the first MSFT DoJ trial.

Bing Tries to Buy the News

nonsense talk.

do you really think its all about the WSJ, NewsCorp is huge they own many papers, tv stations, cable, production companies etc . They have a lot of IP, the WSJ is considered to be something RM purchased just to increase his standing and to show how powerful he is.


On Nov 23 01:56 PM Gary A wrote:

> That is ridiculous. Bing is a terrible search engine. If you want
> to go to WSJ or Marketwatch just save the URL or type it in. They
> already are saying that the traffic coming from Google isn't important.
>
>
> This will only expose that Bing is an imposter and has to resort
> to gimmicks.

Bing Tries to Buy the News

Of course the second Goog starts decides to "cut off " a major company they are square in the sights of the DOJ.
That would be the worse thing goog could do, the best would be buy some ear plugs.
(long goog)

On Nov 23 12:51 PM holden wrote:

> Observe that Google has a very clear move to stop Murdock in his
> tracks. Cut him off immediately. Refuse to index his newspapers'
> sites. I think it is clear that if they do it now it will serve as
> an example to all others, therefore the rest may be more reluctant
> to join Murdock into demise.
>
> However, observe that Google has chosen not to do anything at the
> moment. I interpret this as an indication that Google is not presently
> concerned by this issue. Either they think that Murdock will not
> follow through, or they think that the impact will be small (a third
> possibility is that they are concerned that blocking his sites will
> be bad PR for themselves).
>
> I personally have blocked Google from my site for privacy reasons,
> but in this case I am on their side. Murdock is alleging that Google
> "steals" their content while I see Google as a service provider.
> If they are stealing content, the phone book must be stealing people.

Will Microsoft Get Squeezed by Chrome OS?

I love the graphic it shows the MS logo being squeezed by two larger company logos.

Why not do a graphic that shows apple @ 5% of the size of MSFT and google as less than 1%.

Oh , hold on I know, because that would give a good visual on the so called squeeze.

But never mind, I understand fully, you need to make out like MS is in real trouble.

Win 7 is selling faster than any OS MSFT has ever released in its entire history. Punters love it, corp loves it. whats left to say.....

Should Microsoft Be Scared of ChromeOS?

yep, its just what everyone has been waiting for.

A desktop/netbook that does less than the average smartphone will by the time it hits the streets.

good luck with that. Goog is taking its eye off the ball.


(long goog msft)

The Power of Instant Approval

You are completely right,

Apple is also restricting access to end users , and restricting end users access to products. Being a gate keeper is a tricky biz, just ask Billy boy.


On Nov 17 12:51 PM brewer wrote:

> Four whole weeks to get approved? Whine me a river. Apple is doing
> EVERYTING other than the actual writing of the app. Marketing, hosting,
> delivery, billing, etc... etc... etc....
>
> Go to the Zune store if you want... LOL

The Power of Instant Approval

As long as AAPL does not become the dominate smart phone platform , they can get away with controlling access to market, but should apple "win" and have effective control of the smart phone app market, do you really think the DOJ would allow to pick winners?


As to "windoze" wtf has that got to do with anything, we are talking about Apples app store, not win 7. But if you do want to talk about windows, just keep in mind that neither win 7 nor OSX try to control access to consumers or restrict users from running whatever they like.

AAPL has a tiger by the tail, the app store may very well cost more in lawyers fees and lobbyists then it ever earns.
On Nov 17 12:49 PM brewer wrote:

> @jack dee:
>
> Actually, you can run anything you want on your own phone. What you
> can't do is put any Windoze type trash on the app store. Big difference
> there.
>
> You can jailbreak your phone for nothing and run whatever you like,
> your own stuff, other illegitimate stuff. Or, you can pay $99 for
> the dev kit and run whatever you write on your own phone. Knock yourself
> out. But if you want it on the *app store* then Apple gets to review
> it first. It's their store.

Bing Nears 10% of Search: Google Unaffected

The concept of blocking goog from indexing whole pools of sites is one that has been kicked around for a little while.

The music industry had the chance to do the same with itunes a few years back, but instead they decided to focus on beating out each other and destroying much of the value they had in the process.

The newspapers, would need to work together,

If news corp withdrew huge amounts of media and gave the Yahoo Bing combo an exclusive on it.

And if Dis, CNN etc joined them ,

And if the entire group promoted Bing/ Yahoo with everything they have.
then only then would the impact be such that the search market would forever change. And power would be spread evenly again.


Will they do it? Of course not, each company is to concerned with ratings and earnings over the next six days never mind six months or a year...


But it does show the real danger facing a one trick pony like google


long goog msft

The Power of Instant Approval

So apple tells you what they think is ok for you to run on a phone that you own, and you think thats OK?

If MSFT or AAPL decided to tell you what programs you where allowed to use on your desktops how would you feel about that?

The Power of Instant Approval

Of course if apple did end up controlling the smart phone market, they would have DOJ oversight and most likely be forced to spin off the app store.

It just common sense. Apple would also be forced to allow anyone to develop ANY product for the phone and be forced to open all standards. But hey thats just the way it is, you dont have to break any laws to get broken up....

Will Mobile App Pricing Fall to Zero?

Ah I see Thomas , you changing what you said and pretending to be right

I quote you
"""In the 1990s, all the software in MS Office would have sold for over $1,000 dollars. """"


Fact in the 1990s all the software in Office sold for far far less than $1000 adjusted or non adjusted dollars.
And in the 1990s MS Office had just what you are talking about.

.

Please if you are going to write something dont make things up and then later try to pretend you meant something else. Your intent was clear and clearly incorrect.

Will Mobile App Pricing Fall to Zero?

>>>>one of the world’s most powerful companies, now gets slightly over $100 for MS Office. In the 1990s, all the software in MS Office would have sold for over $1,000 dollars. <<<<


That is complete utter trash, made up junk.

In the mid 90s MSFT charged far far less than $1,000 for office, did you just pull that number out of your hat or what..


In 1994-1995 MSFT took in a little less than 5 billion, and sold over 7 million copies of office alone. even if you assumed that MSFT sold nothing but office, not a single other product $1,000 per copy would exceed totel rev by billions.
SO please dont make up trash to support your story.

and as to MSFT getting $100 for office, please wake up and compare Corp seat to corps seats not some bs student ed to corp seats.

rant over..