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On Nov 23 12:22 PM Chuck Carnevale wrote:

> First of all, I want to thank everyone for commenting on my article.
> My purpose was to stimulate thought; it appears it has done its job.
> For the record, I am not insensitive to the losses and the sufferings
> the past market debacle caused. Also, I recognize that the problems
> we face are real and in some cases severe. However, I also strongly
> believe that our economic system works and that our problems, as
> bad as they may seem, are solvable. It will take time, and I believe
> a can-do attitude. However, I also know that running from our problems
> will not work. We must face them with courage and apply our indomitable
> spirit.
>
> As Napoleon Hill so eloquently put it in his great book Think &
> Grow Rich: “In every adversity lies the seed of an equivalent or
> greater benefit.” As we face our challenges and stay strong, I believe
> we will look back some day and discover many benefits that were borne
> of this crisis. A more rationally priced stock market for one.<br/>
>
> Also, for the record, a main point I was attempting to make with
> this article is that forecasting the so-called stock market is impossible
> to do. Therefore, it is folly to try. Investors’ time is better
> spent analyzing businesses which can be done with a reasonable degree
> of accuracy. But most importantly, how you react to market volatility
> is of paramount importance. Implicit in this remark is my conviction
> based on massive amounts of evidence that the market often misprices
> stocks. Fundamental analysis will reveal these discrepancies and
> then appropriate buy sell decisions can be made.
>
> In closing, as Albert Einstein so aptly said: “No problem can be
> solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” I
> for one believe it better to focus on solutions rather than problems.
> What we think about expands. It’s time to be thinking about our
> economy expanding. Fear weakens us, faith empowers us.
>
> Thanks again for all of your responses. I intend to spend the week
> counting blessings and giving thanks.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving,
> Chuck Carnevale
> P.S. For additional clarification of this article and its intent,
> check out my blog www.TheMarketsUpChuck.com]]>
Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:28:52 -0500

On Nov 23 12:22 PM Chuck Carnevale wrote:

> First of all, I want to thank everyone for commenting on my article.
> My purpose was to stimulate thought; it appears it has done its job.
> For the record, I am not insensitive to the losses and the sufferings
> the past market debacle caused. Also, I recognize that the problems
> we face are real and in some cases severe. However, I also strongly
> believe that our economic system works and that our problems, as
> bad as they may seem, are solvable. It will take time, and I believe
> a can-do attitude. However, I also know that running from our problems
> will not work. We must face them with courage and apply our indomitable
> spirit.
>
> As Napoleon Hill so eloquently put it in his great book Think &amp;
> Grow Rich: “In every adversity lies the seed of an equivalent or
> greater benefit.” As we face our challenges and stay strong, I believe
> we will look back some day and discover many benefits that were borne
> of this crisis. A more rationally priced stock market for one.<br/>
>
> Also, for the record, a main point I was attempting to make with
> this article is that forecasting the so-called stock market is impossible
> to do. Therefore, it is folly to try. Investors’ time is better
> spent analyzing businesses which can be done with a reasonable degree
> of accuracy. But most importantly, how you react to market volatility
> is of paramount importance. Implicit in this remark is my conviction
> based on massive amounts of evidence that the market often misprices
> stocks. Fundamental analysis will reveal these discrepancies and
> then appropriate buy sell decisions can be made.
>
> In closing, as Albert Einstein so aptly said: “No problem can be
> solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” I
> for one believe it better to focus on solutions rather than problems.
> What we think about expands. It’s time to be thinking about our
> economy expanding. Fear weakens us, faith empowers us.
>
> Thanks again for all of your responses. I intend to spend the week
> counting blessings and giving thanks.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving,
> Chuck Carnevale
> P.S. For additional clarification of this article and its intent,
> check out my blog www.TheMarketsUpChuck.com]]>
Why a Market Crash Doesn’t Matter http://seekingalpha.com/article/174714-why-a-market-crash-doesnt-matter?source=feed#comment-775094 775094

On Nov 22 04:47 PM Tiberius79 wrote:

> What an empty article. You start out by misrepresenting Charles Smith
> and anyone and everyone who feels like discussing the outlook for
> the US market. You then proceed to discuss a fictional world where
> certain companies operate separate to the rest of the economy. Then
> conclude by stating, 'what the stock market may or may not do really
> shouldn’t matter to the serious long-term fundamental investor.'
> There are first year Business students who have more valuable things
> to say than you.]]>
Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:12:16 -0500

On Nov 22 04:47 PM Tiberius79 wrote:

> What an empty article. You start out by misrepresenting Charles Smith
> and anyone and everyone who feels like discussing the outlook for
> the US market. You then proceed to discuss a fictional world where
> certain companies operate separate to the rest of the economy. Then
> conclude by stating, 'what the stock market may or may not do really
> shouldn’t matter to the serious long-term fundamental investor.'
> There are first year Business students who have more valuable things
> to say than you.]]>
The Intrinsic Value of Nothing, Part 1 http://seekingalpha.com/article/169098-the-intrinsic-value-of-nothing-part-1?source=feed#comment-733772 733772

On Oct 27 10:58 AM John Lounsbury wrote:

> Paco - - -
>
> Good article, but I have a philosophical bone to pick.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "Nothing in this universe has intrinsic value; every single thing
> you possess, want to possess, use, can use, have used, can offer,
> have offered, or will offer is valuable only if someone else finds
> it valuable."
>
> You have defined value in terms of exchange. I would argue that is
> too narrow a definition. There are things with intrinsic value independent
> of any medium of exchange. Exchange is merely one way, but not the
> only way, to define value.
>
> I maintain that anything necessary for my existence has intrinsic
> value. Air to breathe, water to drink and food to eat have intrinsic
> value. The value has a binary measurement: either I have these things
> and exist or one is missing and I don't exist.
>
> Most economists make their definitions based on commerce. The basics
> of existence don't come into the equation, except for a few fringe
> operatives who play with things like "happiness indexes".
>
> Ultimately, all of the "commercial" definitions of value are secondary
> to the "existence" definition of value. We lose sight of that and
> many externalities result, which repetitively blow apart the best
> of economic theories. Throughout history societies and civilizations
> have failed because of resource exhaustion. They thrived on commerce
> and decayed on the basis of not sufficiently supporting existence.
>
>
> There absolutely are things with a real intrinsic value.
>
> I know this is outside the scope you intended to address, but I just
> had to have my rant.]]>
Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:34:43 -0400

On Oct 27 10:58 AM John Lounsbury wrote:

> Paco - - -
>
> Good article, but I have a philosophical bone to pick.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "Nothing in this universe has intrinsic value; every single thing
> you possess, want to possess, use, can use, have used, can offer,
> have offered, or will offer is valuable only if someone else finds
> it valuable."
>
> You have defined value in terms of exchange. I would argue that is
> too narrow a definition. There are things with intrinsic value independent
> of any medium of exchange. Exchange is merely one way, but not the
> only way, to define value.
>
> I maintain that anything necessary for my existence has intrinsic
> value. Air to breathe, water to drink and food to eat have intrinsic
> value. The value has a binary measurement: either I have these things
> and exist or one is missing and I don't exist.
>
> Most economists make their definitions based on commerce. The basics
> of existence don't come into the equation, except for a few fringe
> operatives who play with things like "happiness indexes".
>
> Ultimately, all of the "commercial" definitions of value are secondary
> to the "existence" definition of value. We lose sight of that and
> many externalities result, which repetitively blow apart the best
> of economic theories. Throughout history societies and civilizations
> have failed because of resource exhaustion. They thrived on commerce
> and decayed on the basis of not sufficiently supporting existence.
>
>
> There absolutely are things with a real intrinsic value.
>
> I know this is outside the scope you intended to address, but I just
> had to have my rant.]]>
E*Trade Shows Bullish Signals http://seekingalpha.com/article/166925-e-trade-shows-bullish-signals?source=feed#comment-718005 718005 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:27:53 -0400 Microsoft: Whistling in the Dark http://seekingalpha.com/article/155946-microsoft-whistling-in-the-dark?source=feed#comment-629659 629659 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:32:29 -0400 The Mac vs. PC Debate Was Never Clearer http://seekingalpha.com/article/150920-the-mac-vs-pc-debate-was-never-clearer?source=feed#comment-601780 601780

On Jul 25 01:44 AM Albert Ling wrote:

> Apple charges for:
> 1) brand
> 2) image
> 3) design
> 4) simplicity of use
> 5) aesthetics
> 6) trendyness
>
> Apple was never about hardcore gaming, compatibility, opensourceness,
> raw power, tweakability, price/performance, etc.
>
> So I'd recomend Apple for my rich grandmother who never used a computer
> before, or for my trendy clothing store to use at the cashier.. and
> a non-apple computers for everyone else
>
> My mouse has 11 buttons and I use all of them. My mother's iMac has
> a one-button mouse. If I wanna play any of my games at her PC i'd
> have to download a patch or stuff like that.
>
> Easy choice]]>
Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:14:21 -0400

On Jul 25 01:44 AM Albert Ling wrote:

> Apple charges for:
> 1) brand
> 2) image
> 3) design
> 4) simplicity of use
> 5) aesthetics
> 6) trendyness
>
> Apple was never about hardcore gaming, compatibility, opensourceness,
> raw power, tweakability, price/performance, etc.
>
> So I'd recomend Apple for my rich grandmother who never used a computer
> before, or for my trendy clothing store to use at the cashier.. and
> a non-apple computers for everyone else
>
> My mouse has 11 buttons and I use all of them. My mother's iMac has
> a one-button mouse. If I wanna play any of my games at her PC i'd
> have to download a patch or stuff like that.
>
> Easy choice]]>
The Mac vs. PC Debate Was Never Clearer http://seekingalpha.com/article/150920-the-mac-vs-pc-debate-was-never-clearer?source=feed#comment-601620 601620 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:36:13 -0400 A Sad Day for Newspapers http://seekingalpha.com/article/123258-a-sad-day-for-newspapers?source=feed#comment-406587 406587 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:22:11 -0500 A Sad Day for Newspapers http://seekingalpha.com/article/123258-a-sad-day-for-newspapers?source=feed#comment-406584 406584 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:19:54 -0500 MacWorld to Follow Floppy Disk Into Extinction http://seekingalpha.com/article/111258-macworld-to-follow-floppy-disk-into-extinction?source=feed#comment-332175 332175 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:44:21 -0500 Auto Industry Rescue Delays the Inevitable http://seekingalpha.com/article/109876-auto-industry-rescue-delays-the-inevitable?source=feed#comment-324523 324523 Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:22:11 -0500 Chip Stocks Deteriorating Fast - FBR http://seekingalpha.com/article/107647-chip-stocks-deteriorating-fast-fbr?source=feed#comment-313870 313870 Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:47:35 -0500 The Great Consumer Crash of 2009 http://seekingalpha.com/article/90892-the-great-consumer-crash-of-2009?source=feed#comment-307818 307818 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:51:14 -0500 Things Aren't as Bad as They Seem - Barron's http://seekingalpha.com/article/100633-things-aren-t-as-bad-as-they-seem-barron-s?source=feed#comment-285979 285979 Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:50:29 -0400 Will We Know When We've Made a Low? http://seekingalpha.com/article/100479-will-we-know-when-we-ve-made-a-low?source=feed#comment-285140 285140
doesn't that simply mean "someone will find the low. Just not you."?]]>
Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:14:34 -0400
doesn't that simply mean "someone will find the low. Just not you."?]]>
History Says That We'll Be Fine http://seekingalpha.com/article/99643-history-says-that-we-ll-be-fine?source=feed#comment-282426 282426 Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:18:00 -0400 Relief Rally in Pictures http://seekingalpha.com/article/99702-relief-rally-in-pictures?source=feed#comment-281374 281374
lol]]>
Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:40:34 -0400
lol]]>
G-7: Nothing New http://seekingalpha.com/article/99457-g-7-nothing-new?source=feed#comment-279899 279899
"Their leaders talked and talked and talked
but nothing could stem the avalanche.
Their world crumbled, the cities exploded.
A whirlwind of looting, a firestorm of fear."

nice last line, eh?]]>
Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:57:25 -0400
"Their leaders talked and talked and talked
but nothing could stem the avalanche.
Their world crumbled, the cities exploded.
A whirlwind of looting, a firestorm of fear."

nice last line, eh?]]>
Fannie and Freddie Did Not Cause This Crisis http://seekingalpha.com/article/98533-fannie-and-freddie-did-not-cause-this-crisis?source=feed#comment-274041 274041 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:22:51 -0400 Capitalism: RIP http://seekingalpha.com/article/96602-capitalism-rip?source=feed#comment-262024 262024
Capitalism is an ethical system as well as an economic system. It essentially says, 'we don't need kings or interventionist governments to oversee us or meddle in our affairs. If we create value and ensure fair markets, the role of government is relegated to rule maker and umpire ensuring that market participants play fair.'

Capitalism not only ensures private ownership, wealth creation, innovation and the rest; it ensures autonomy from interventionist government. If I behave in ways that necessitate government intervention, I am essentially destroying that system. If I want government out of my life, I behave ethically.

Sounds pollyanna, but it is really very simple. you may strongly disagree, but I am convinced the government steps in not because it is power hungry, but because it sees no viable alternative in a given case. The government didn't step in in the case of civil rights because it was looking for a convenient way to meddle. It stepped in because certain states refused to enforce Constitutional guarantees. It didn't step in during the Depression because it was feeling frisky; it stepped in because a demoralized nation standing in breadlines amid a frozen economy was unacceptable. And it didn't step in this time because of a good old boys network. It stepped in because it wasn't prepared to deal with a full blown social crisis as a result of a new Depression. It is impossible in this case - as it was during the Depression - to ignore the issue of scale.

Naive, but simple: don't want government intervention? Keep your house in order. Wanna do the whole bad mortgage/mortgage backed securities shell game? fine, but don't cry when the gov't needs to pull your ass out of the fire.

and BTW, whenever you play these stupid games of grossly irresponsible and greedy risk, you unavoidably increase the power of the government - the last fracking thing you want.

Failure of capitalism, dude. It is on US, not them]]>
Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:58:40 -0400
Capitalism is an ethical system as well as an economic system. It essentially says, 'we don't need kings or interventionist governments to oversee us or meddle in our affairs. If we create value and ensure fair markets, the role of government is relegated to rule maker and umpire ensuring that market participants play fair.'

Capitalism not only ensures private ownership, wealth creation, innovation and the rest; it ensures autonomy from interventionist government. If I behave in ways that necessitate government intervention, I am essentially destroying that system. If I want government out of my life, I behave ethically.

Sounds pollyanna, but it is really very simple. you may strongly disagree, but I am convinced the government steps in not because it is power hungry, but because it sees no viable alternative in a given case. The government didn't step in in the case of civil rights because it was looking for a convenient way to meddle. It stepped in because certain states refused to enforce Constitutional guarantees. It didn't step in during the Depression because it was feeling frisky; it stepped in because a demoralized nation standing in breadlines amid a frozen economy was unacceptable. And it didn't step in this time because of a good old boys network. It stepped in because it wasn't prepared to deal with a full blown social crisis as a result of a new Depression. It is impossible in this case - as it was during the Depression - to ignore the issue of scale.

Naive, but simple: don't want government intervention? Keep your house in order. Wanna do the whole bad mortgage/mortgage backed securities shell game? fine, but don't cry when the gov't needs to pull your ass out of the fire.

and BTW, whenever you play these stupid games of grossly irresponsible and greedy risk, you unavoidably increase the power of the government - the last fracking thing you want.

Failure of capitalism, dude. It is on US, not them]]>
Capitalism: RIP http://seekingalpha.com/article/96602-capitalism-rip?source=feed#comment-261840 261840 www.moneymorning.com/2.../]]> Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:21:45 -0400 www.moneymorning.com/2.../]]> Capitalism: RIP http://seekingalpha.com/article/96602-capitalism-rip?source=feed#comment-261806 261806
IMO, we need a 30-day moratorium on the use of "totalitarianism", "socialism", "facism" and the like so people can bone up a little on history. When we get to the point of a police state that outlaws political opposition, sanctions gulags and concentration camps, confiscates private property, demands public loyalty to a dictator, and systematically murders anyone who doesn't toe the line, then we can talk about "totalitarianism". But not before
]]>
Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:49:23 -0400
IMO, we need a 30-day moratorium on the use of "totalitarianism", "socialism", "facism" and the like so people can bone up a little on history. When we get to the point of a police state that outlaws political opposition, sanctions gulags and concentration camps, confiscates private property, demands public loyalty to a dictator, and systematically murders anyone who doesn't toe the line, then we can talk about "totalitarianism". But not before
]]>
Capitalism: RIP http://seekingalpha.com/article/96602-capitalism-rip?source=feed#comment-261698 261698 Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:51:04 -0400 How Bernanke Stunned Congress with the Truth http://seekingalpha.com/article/96429-how-bernanke-stunned-congress-with-the-truth?source=feed#comment-259880 259880
god, i love a good laugh i the morning. tks.]]>
Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:25:59 -0400
god, i love a good laugh i the morning. tks.]]>
How Is GM Still Alive? http://seekingalpha.com/article/88575-how-is-gm-still-alive?source=feed#comment-220388 220388 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:12:22 -0400 Wednesday Outlook: Commodities, Emerging Markets http://seekingalpha.com/article/86423-wednesday-outlook-commodities-emerging-markets?source=feed#comment-212294 212294 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:42:10 -0400 Financials: How - And When - We Reached the Bottom http://seekingalpha.com/article/86180-financials-how-and-when-we-reached-the-bottom?source=feed#comment-211720 211720
But DSB has touched the central nerve: how much betrayal of essential trust can a market endure and still hope to prosper. I am often struck by the conservative obsession with getting the government off the backs of businesses so they can create value, jobs, and provide more opportunities for wealth etc,. But seems to me that lays a responsibility on businesses - in this case the financial sector - not to operate so recklessly that government intervention is the only way to prevent collapse. How can anyone observing this situation from the outside rush back in to invest in companies that have behaved so irresponsibly?]]>
Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:58:48 -0400
But DSB has touched the central nerve: how much betrayal of essential trust can a market endure and still hope to prosper. I am often struck by the conservative obsession with getting the government off the backs of businesses so they can create value, jobs, and provide more opportunities for wealth etc,. But seems to me that lays a responsibility on businesses - in this case the financial sector - not to operate so recklessly that government intervention is the only way to prevent collapse. How can anyone observing this situation from the outside rush back in to invest in companies that have behaved so irresponsibly?]]>
Wednesday Outlook: Commodities, Emerging Markets http://seekingalpha.com/article/85163-wednesday-outlook-commodities-emerging-markets?source=feed#comment-206805 206805
Bush always sounds like he is reading a speech that someone else was supposed to deliver. I have never heard anyone I believed less. Does the guy really have any convictions of his own? Why does he bother?

We have had some foolish governments over the years, but this one is populated with a rare breed of incompetents. God help us]]>
Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:50:56 -0400
Bush always sounds like he is reading a speech that someone else was supposed to deliver. I have never heard anyone I believed less. Does the guy really have any convictions of his own? Why does he bother?

We have had some foolish governments over the years, but this one is populated with a rare breed of incompetents. God help us]]>
Shipping is Shaping Up - Cramer's Lightning Round (5/27/08) http://seekingalpha.com/article/79142-shipping-is-shaping-up-cramer-s-lightning-round-5-27-08?source=feed#comment-175242 175242 Wed, 28 May 2008 11:25:04 -0400 When Will American Realize the World Has Changed? http://seekingalpha.com/article/78796-when-will-american-realize-the-world-has-changed?source=feed#comment-174039 174039 Mon, 26 May 2008 12:11:28 -0400