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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

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No problem Don Harmon

from a graduate [fossil] of a class of 1959.

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

A handful of US battery makers is scrambling for government support ahead of a deadline this week as the US struggles to win back lost ground from Asian competitors in one of the world’s next important technologies.

The race is also the first test of how the administration will use the near-$190bn in stimulus money earmarked this year to support “green” technologies, from alternative fuels to energy-efficient building materials.

Advanced batteries are seen as a strategic technology, given their importance to electric and hybrid vehicles, and their military applications.

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We are becoming more convinced that there is a BTU in problem with what goes into energy storage.


Gasoline, regular unleaded, (typical) gallon 114,100 BTU = 1.00 gallon (typical)

Q How much does a gallon of gasoline weigh?

A 2.69 to 2.91 kg (5.93 to 6.42 lbs), depending on temperature, type and blend

114,100/ 5.93 = 19,241.15 and 114,100/6.42 = 17,772.59 which means that gasoline contains about twice as
many BTUs per pound a coal.

Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Outperforms Cool

PNM has not responded so far.

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Long Live the Cleantech Revolution

"[J]ust outside the city sits a sprawling complex abandoned years ago by US Steel. Not long ago, it was a brownfield, the soil contaminated and the massive industrial buildings rusting alongside the railway tracks that once brought in the ore and carried out steel beams and rolls.

Now, it is an incubator in the so-called "Green Economy" that President Obama and others hold out as both the answer to America's industrial decline and its dependence on foreign oil. ..."

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Facts:
1 Laws of thermodynamics are tough to repeal
2 HEAT RATE - second law
3 CAPACITY FACTOR - reality

An email message from Whitman [a liberal arts] College college president Gerorge Bridges.

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Money to be made from those who don't understand 1, 2, and 3.

Long Live the Cleantech Revolution

"Last Thursday, he [Obama] unveiled a 10-year plan that envisions $150 billion in alternative energy subsidies ..."

This may be a lawyer's attempt to fund repeal of the first law of thermodynamics?

Kedrosky appears to be getting close to this conclusion.

Alternative Energy Is a Giant Capital Pit, Kedrosky Says: "There's No There There"

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Is "Long Live the Cleantech Revolution" attempted business PR for

www.altenergystocks.co...?

Lead-Acid, Lead-Carbon Batteries: The Only Option for Average Consumer

We are not optimistic for the future of EVs for one the following reasons

"The study, "Lights Out In 2009?" warns that the U.S. "faces potentially crippling electricity brownouts and blackouts beginning in the summer of 2009, which may cost tens of billions of dollars and threaten lives."

"If particularly vulnerable regions, like the Western U.S., experience unusually hot temperatures for prolonged periods of time in 2009, the potential for local brownouts or blackouts is high, with significant risk that local disruptions could cascade into regional outages that could cost the economy tens of billions of dollars," the report warned.

U.S. baseload generation capacity reserve margins "have declined precipitously to 17 percent in 2007, from 30-40 percent in the early 1990s," according to the study. A 12-15 percent capacity reserve margin is the minimum required to ensure reliability and stability of the nation's electricity system. Compounding this capacity deficiency, the projected U.S. demand in the next ten years is forecast to grow by 18 percent, far exceeding the projected eight percent growth in baseload generation capacity between now and 2016. ..."

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There are lots of other reasons to think that we may be walking or bicycling lots more in the future.

You might wish to listen [audio book] to "The Road" by Santa Fe author Cormac McCarthy to perhaps get a more accurate view of future travel ... and its dangers.

Huge Incentives for Energy Storage in Today's House Bill

George Soros comments on January 28 2009

"Energy policy could also play an important role in counteracting both depression and deflation. The American consumer can no longer act as the motor of the global economy. Alternative energy and developments that produce energy savings could serve as a new motor, but only if the price of conventional fuels is kept high enough to justify investing in those activities. That would involve putting a floor under the price of fossil fuels by imposing a price on carbon emissions and import duties on oil to keep the domestic price above, say, $70 per barrel."

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We're still of the opinion that the BTUs IN should be identified to evaluate effectiveness of alternate energy claims for energy OUT.

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Laws of thermodynamics, we continue to believe, apply to alternate energy schemes.

Advanced Nonsense: The Politics of Alternative Energy

"This means that our politicians and financial elites get to ignore the physical laws that have been discovered to govern, without exception, the utilization and conversion of energy from one form to another."

Commenting in New Mexico about above thought.

""It is time that the state take control of this increasingly important issue."

Supposition that the state of New Mexico is utitilzing individuals' advice who have expertise and ability in the area of electric power generation is suspect.

We recommended that the state 1 Contract with NM geologists to attemp to forecast future BTUs available for electricity generation 2 Establish a board of those qualified to evaluate whether proposed solar or wind electric generation technologies are a scam or not.

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There is a LOT OF MONEY to be made developing and selling alternate generation facilities to those who do not understand the laws of thermodynamics, HEAT RATE, and CAPACITY FACTOR. "

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Alternative Energy Storage Stocks: Review and Outlook

Here's a New Mexico solar storage idea.

"The RFP follows a feasibility study performed by the Electric Power Research Institute last year that found that the most feasible solar technology currently available for a large-scale plant here is parabolic trough.

It utilizes a series of trough-shaped mirrors to focus sunlight onto an oil-filled tube, and then uses the hot oil to generate steam. The steam is used to turn a generator, producing electricity. When combined with thermal energy storage, this solar technology is capable of generating electricity at night, as well as during cloudy periods, the utilities said in a joint news release.

The parabolic trough technology technology looks the most promising and most economically feasible, in part because it has been field tested the most, Buell said.

The study also mentioned that potential locations could be near Albuquerque or Lordsburg in southwest New Mexico, although no more specific information on potential sites was available, Tri-State spokesman Jim Van Someren said.

If the RFP process is successful, the utilities plan to have a contract negotiated by the end of 2008, and the solar facility could be generating electricity by 2011."

Albuquerque Journal Tuesday July 1, 2008

Let's see what happens.

We're still questioning whether solar and wind have enough BTU's IN to produce the advertised KWh out at 3412.14163 BTU = 1 KWh.

But we do not question that there is some good money to be made selling wind and solar electric generation equipment to those who do understand the laws of thermodynamics, or HEAT RATE and CAPACITY FACTOR.

Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

If, in fact, US electric energy shortages appear within the next several years, it will be interesting to see what will win. The environment or more electric power generation?


"The suit, filed Thursday in federal court in Washington, asks for a court order requiring the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to set limits for mercury and dozens of other hazardous air pollutants.

"Power plants are the largest unregulated industrial source of air toxics," said Jim Pew, an attorney with Earthjustice, one of the groups that filed the suit. "It is unconscionable that six years after the deadline for action, we still do not have air toxics controls on these large existing sources of pollution."

The suit follows up on a ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia that threw out two Bush administration rules governing power plant emissions. The Bush EPA rules had essentially overturned a Clinton administration move under the 1990 Clean Air Act to set new air limits for arsenic, chromium, various acid mists and other hazardous air pollutants. ..."

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Radiation apparently too.

Lead times for bringing new electric power sources on line are sufficiently long [see FOIL 10] that we might in for electric shortage problems.

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We also read, vienna,

"[C]urrently, there are 439 reactors in 30 different countries. The reactors consume 167 million pounds of uranium on an annual basis. The problem is that current mine production is only 108 million pounds per year. ... " See link at top FOIL 10 page.

How Will Temporary Decline in Oil Prices Impact Energy Sector?

After more than a year attending PNM's electric integrated resource planning meeting and reading articles on Internet, I see possibility of electric grid power shortages within the next several years.

FOIL 9 in my Alternate Report at website shows New Mexico electric reserve margins falling.

Reserve margin decline in other states appear to follow what PNM forecasts for New Mexico from what we have read on Internet.

Our energy lifesyles may change in the next several years due to energy shortage and increased costs?

New construction, according to PNM forecaster Steve Martin, accounts for the major part of electric load increase. If new construction must be limited in the future for energy shortage reasons, then this might cause unfortunate economic results.

Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Will Beat Cool

Correction

"At about 3412 BTUs/KWh. "

More than 3412 BTUs/KWh.

Second law of thermodymics.

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