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The Obama Fast Track for Hybrid Electric Vehicles (HEVs)

We're concerned that not enought attention has been focused on

First: The laws of thermodynamics

1st Law—Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy in the universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another.

2nd Law—In all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state. This is also known as the law of entropy.

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Second: 1 Kilowatt hour = 3412.14163 BTUs.

to properly evaluate possible contribution of altenergy to solution of possible near-future transportation and electric energy problems.

We are in Spokane, WA returning from my 50th reunion at liberal arts Whitman College.

Got to watch non-engineers writing about and proposing solutions to engineering problems.

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Especially lawyers.

It may better to listen to engineers?

Chairman, President and CEO Questar Corporation Keith O. Rattie said on April 2, 2009

Why did my generation fail to develop wind and solar? Because our energy choices are ruthlessly ruled, not by political judgments, but by the immutable laws of thermodynamics. In engineer-speak, turning diffused sources of energy such as photons in sunlight or the kinetic energy in wind requires massive investment to concentrate that energy into a form that's usable on any meaningful scale.

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

I am giving up.

But here is the first part of the link

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Add an h.

From us senior techies.

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

We may getting hit by the OPPOSITION.

Let's try link again.

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We are dealing with heavy hitters.

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

Whoops.

Link got screwed up.

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regards
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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

No problem Don Harmon

from a graduate [fossil] of a class of 1959.

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

A handful of US battery makers is scrambling for government support ahead of a deadline this week as the US struggles to win back lost ground from Asian competitors in one of the world’s next important technologies.

The race is also the first test of how the administration will use the near-$190bn in stimulus money earmarked this year to support “green” technologies, from alternative fuels to energy-efficient building materials.

Advanced batteries are seen as a strategic technology, given their importance to electric and hybrid vehicles, and their military applications.

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We are becoming more convinced that there is a BTU in problem with what goes into energy storage.


Gasoline, regular unleaded, (typical) gallon 114,100 BTU = 1.00 gallon (typical)

Q How much does a gallon of gasoline weigh?

A 2.69 to 2.91 kg (5.93 to 6.42 lbs), depending on temperature, type and blend

114,100/ 5.93 = 19,241.15 and 114,100/6.42 = 17,772.59 which means that gasoline contains about twice as
many BTUs per pound a coal.

Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Outperforms Cool

PNM has not responded so far.

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The Plug In Vehicle Scam

"Wednesday April 29, 2009 17:023

Lawyer John Petersen may have nuked, figuratively speaking of course, a large portion of altenergy on Tuesday April 28, 2009.

Over 400,000 google [john petersen scam] hits as of Wednesday April 29, 2009 16:50

Petersen, we previously identified, as an altenergy shill.

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How wrong we were.

Critical comments on HEAT OUT = HEAT IN - heat loss can be directed to outstanding article Energy Efficiency: Semiconductors' 21st Century Challenge.

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And these are smart engineer-educated guys.

But we are not above lobbing pointed comments. As you may realize."

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Solar Panels and Parking Lots: An Extraordinary Dual Use

"megawatts of clean solar power"

How many megawatt HOURS?

"I have several questions regarding performance of PNM's Algodones solar array.

Second purpose of this email is to submit a complaint and a proposal to Mr Sterba regarding solar-generated electricity.

First the questions.

1 What is the purpose of the PNM Algodones solar facility?

2 Is the PNM Algodones solar facility connected to the grid?

3 What is the CAPACITY FACTOR of the PNM Algodones solar facility by month from September 2007 through March 2009?

Please provide a plot similar to the ITRON SGIP Figure 3-1.

4 How many kWh [kilowatt HOURS] of electricity per month from September 2007 through March 2009 does the PNM Algodones solar facility produce? Table presentation please.

5 What is the average peak output [kW] of the PNM Algodones solar facility for each hour [24] for each month of the year from September 2007 through March 2009? Table presentation please."

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No response from Don Brown so far. :-)

10 Green Energy Gambles for 2009: 3 Month Update

"Why did my generation fail to develop wind and solar? Because our energy choices are ruthlessly ruled, not by political judgments, but by the immutable laws of thermodynamics. In engineer-speak, turning diffused sources of energy such as photons in sunlight or the kinetic energy in wind requires massive investment to concentrate that energy into a form that's usable on any meaningful scale. ...

Now, I was told back in the 1970s the same that you're being told today: that wind and solar power are 'alternatives' to fossil fuels. A more honest description would be 'supplements'. Taken together, wind and solar power today account for just one-sixth of 1% of America's annual energy consumption today. Let me repeat that statistic - one-sixth of one percent -- .0016. "

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Li-ion Batteries and How Cheap Beat Cool in the Chevy Volt

"Population Blows Away Green Energy Hopes

By DONALD PETERSON AND WILLIAM STRATTON
Los Alamos Education Group

Until recently, large numbers failed to resonate, but the economic bailout has forced people to think about very large numbers. A trillion is a million million and once people get comfortable with the idea, both dollars and watts can be discussed. This discussion is about watts.

Instead of speculating on the potential energy yields of the green technologies, it estimates the amount of renewable energy available, and how efficiently it can be gathered.

The sun is the source of all renewable energy - hydro, biomass, wind and solar, that Al Gore has proposed as the future global replacement for fossil and nuclear energy. Below are some numbers you can clip and stick on the refrigerator for future reference when you want to check the dimensions of someone's energy calculations. A huge amount of solar energy strikes the upper atmosphere; 170,000 trillion watts is 1366 watts/m2 (watts per square meter), but because of clouds, dust, latitude and seasons, the average for power hitting any point on the surface is limited to just over 150 watts/m2 far different from the 1 kW/m2 at noon on the equator, usually cited.

The land area of the earth is 150 trillion m2. Hence, the most readily harvestable energy amounts to 22,500 trillion watts. Current global energy demand is 15 trillion watts. The world population is 7 billion so each person has about 20,000 m2 of land (2 hectares), and an allocation of roughly 2,000 watts.

By 2050, forty years from now, there will be 9.4 billion people. If Gore is right, the transition to green energy will be close to complete, the standard of living will approach that of the United States, and the world will be saved from global warming. The five- to sixfold increase in energy allocation to 10,000 to 12,000 watts per person translates to global energy in excess of 90 trillion watts - more people with much higher demand. If poverty persists, the demand will be 20 trillion to 30 trillion watts.

Of the green energy available globally, 0.1 percent is a very generous estimate of the fraction that can be harvested by all methods - wind turbines, PV cells, solar thermal, hydroelectric dams -additional tide and offshore wind collection is proposed. Details of the mix are not clear but the intrusion of the collection systems will be enormous. Because of the wide distribution of green plants, photo. synthesis captures the most energy by far.

This estimate is that 22.5 trillion watts can be harvested - a little more than current, but a factor of four short of the optimized 2050 demand with absolutely no room for population growth. Collection efficiency can double or triple, and location can be optimized, but the source is finite - that's all there is

Low energy density is the culprit and nothing can be done about it. This scenario illustrates the importance of careful evaluation of far future energy demand before decisions are made to embark on expensive and ultimately inadequate projects.

The conclusion: either population must be culled - unacceptable -or we must find a more capable, long term solution to the energy shortfall.

OP-ED Albuquerque Journal Monday March 23, 2009"

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Long Live the Cleantech Revolution

"[J]ust outside the city sits a sprawling complex abandoned years ago by US Steel. Not long ago, it was a brownfield, the soil contaminated and the massive industrial buildings rusting alongside the railway tracks that once brought in the ore and carried out steel beams and rolls.

Now, it is an incubator in the so-called "Green Economy" that President Obama and others hold out as both the answer to America's industrial decline and its dependence on foreign oil. ..."

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Facts:
1 Laws of thermodynamics are tough to repeal
2 HEAT RATE - second law
3 CAPACITY FACTOR - reality

An email message from Whitman [a liberal arts] College college president Gerorge Bridges.

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Money to be made from those who don't understand 1, 2, and 3.

Long Live the Cleantech Revolution

"Last Thursday, he [Obama] unveiled a 10-year plan that envisions $150 billion in alternative energy subsidies ..."

This may be a lawyer's attempt to fund repeal of the first law of thermodynamics?

Kedrosky appears to be getting close to this conclusion.

Alternative Energy Is a Giant Capital Pit, Kedrosky Says: "There's No There There"

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Is "Long Live the Cleantech Revolution" attempted business PR for

www.altenergystocks.co...?

Lead-Acid, Lead-Carbon Batteries: The Only Option for Average Consumer

We are not optimistic for the future of EVs for one the following reasons

"The study, "Lights Out In 2009?" warns that the U.S. "faces potentially crippling electricity brownouts and blackouts beginning in the summer of 2009, which may cost tens of billions of dollars and threaten lives."

"If particularly vulnerable regions, like the Western U.S., experience unusually hot temperatures for prolonged periods of time in 2009, the potential for local brownouts or blackouts is high, with significant risk that local disruptions could cascade into regional outages that could cost the economy tens of billions of dollars," the report warned.

U.S. baseload generation capacity reserve margins "have declined precipitously to 17 percent in 2007, from 30-40 percent in the early 1990s," according to the study. A 12-15 percent capacity reserve margin is the minimum required to ensure reliability and stability of the nation's electricity system. Compounding this capacity deficiency, the projected U.S. demand in the next ten years is forecast to grow by 18 percent, far exceeding the projected eight percent growth in baseload generation capacity between now and 2016. ..."

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There are lots of other reasons to think that we may be walking or bicycling lots more in the future.

You might wish to listen [audio book] to "The Road" by Santa Fe author Cormac McCarthy to perhaps get a more accurate view of future travel ... and its dangers.

Huge Incentives for Energy Storage in Today's House Bill

George Soros comments on January 28 2009

"Energy policy could also play an important role in counteracting both depression and deflation. The American consumer can no longer act as the motor of the global economy. Alternative energy and developments that produce energy savings could serve as a new motor, but only if the price of conventional fuels is kept high enough to justify investing in those activities. That would involve putting a floor under the price of fossil fuels by imposing a price on carbon emissions and import duties on oil to keep the domestic price above, say, $70 per barrel."

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We're still of the opinion that the BTUs IN should be identified to evaluate effectiveness of alternate energy claims for energy OUT.

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Laws of thermodynamics, we continue to believe, apply to alternate energy schemes.