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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

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No problem Don Harmon

from a graduate [fossil] of a class of 1959.

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Are Energy Storage Investors Chasing Their Own Tails?

A handful of US battery makers is scrambling for government support ahead of a deadline this week as the US struggles to win back lost ground from Asian competitors in one of the world’s next important technologies.

The race is also the first test of how the administration will use the near-$190bn in stimulus money earmarked this year to support “green” technologies, from alternative fuels to energy-efficient building materials.

Advanced batteries are seen as a strategic technology, given their importance to electric and hybrid vehicles, and their military applications.

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We are becoming more convinced that there is a BTU in problem with what goes into energy storage.


Gasoline, regular unleaded, (typical) gallon 114,100 BTU = 1.00 gallon (typical)

Q How much does a gallon of gasoline weigh?

A 2.69 to 2.91 kg (5.93 to 6.42 lbs), depending on temperature, type and blend

114,100/ 5.93 = 19,241.15 and 114,100/6.42 = 17,772.59 which means that gasoline contains about twice as
many BTUs per pound a coal.

Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Outperforms Cool

PNM has not responded so far.

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Li-ion Battery Manufacturers: The Bleeding Edge of Energy Storage Technology

While Mr Peterson's and Konrad's posts are fun to read we're concerned that not enough attention has been paid by them to

1 Laws of thermodynamics
2 HEAT RATE - second law
3 CAPACITY FACTOR - reality

"Nonetheless, there appears to be opportunity to make lots of money trying to develop alternate renewable energy sources.

Selling wind farms and solar electric generation system to those who do not under stand the laws of thermodynamics, HEAT RATE, and CAPACiTY FACTOR looks equally lucrative too."

Alternative Energy Storage Stocks: Review and Outlook

Here's a New Mexico solar storage idea.

"The RFP follows a feasibility study performed by the Electric Power Research Institute last year that found that the most feasible solar technology currently available for a large-scale plant here is parabolic trough.

It utilizes a series of trough-shaped mirrors to focus sunlight onto an oil-filled tube, and then uses the hot oil to generate steam. The steam is used to turn a generator, producing electricity. When combined with thermal energy storage, this solar technology is capable of generating electricity at night, as well as during cloudy periods, the utilities said in a joint news release.

The parabolic trough technology technology looks the most promising and most economically feasible, in part because it has been field tested the most, Buell said.

The study also mentioned that potential locations could be near Albuquerque or Lordsburg in southwest New Mexico, although no more specific information on potential sites was available, Tri-State spokesman Jim Van Someren said.

If the RFP process is successful, the utilities plan to have a contract negotiated by the end of 2008, and the solar facility could be generating electricity by 2011."

Albuquerque Journal Tuesday July 1, 2008

Let's see what happens.

We're still questioning whether solar and wind have enough BTU's IN to produce the advertised KWh out at 3412.14163 BTU = 1 KWh.

But we do not question that there is some good money to be made selling wind and solar electric generation equipment to those who do understand the laws of thermodynamics, or HEAT RATE and CAPACITY FACTOR.

Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

If, in fact, US electric energy shortages appear within the next several years, it will be interesting to see what will win. The environment or more electric power generation?


"The suit, filed Thursday in federal court in Washington, asks for a court order requiring the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to set limits for mercury and dozens of other hazardous air pollutants.

"Power plants are the largest unregulated industrial source of air toxics," said Jim Pew, an attorney with Earthjustice, one of the groups that filed the suit. "It is unconscionable that six years after the deadline for action, we still do not have air toxics controls on these large existing sources of pollution."

The suit follows up on a ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia that threw out two Bush administration rules governing power plant emissions. The Bush EPA rules had essentially overturned a Clinton administration move under the 1990 Clean Air Act to set new air limits for arsenic, chromium, various acid mists and other hazardous air pollutants. ..."

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Radiation apparently too.

Lead times for bringing new electric power sources on line are sufficiently long [see FOIL 10] that we might in for electric shortage problems.

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We also read, vienna,

"[C]urrently, there are 439 reactors in 30 different countries. The reactors consume 167 million pounds of uranium on an annual basis. The problem is that current mine production is only 108 million pounds per year. ... " See link at top FOIL 10 page.

How Will Temporary Decline in Oil Prices Impact Energy Sector?

After more than a year attending PNM's electric integrated resource planning meeting and reading articles on Internet, I see possibility of electric grid power shortages within the next several years.

FOIL 9 in my Alternate Report at website shows New Mexico electric reserve margins falling.

Reserve margin decline in other states appear to follow what PNM forecasts for New Mexico from what we have read on Internet.

Our energy lifesyles may change in the next several years due to energy shortage and increased costs?

New construction, according to PNM forecaster Steve Martin, accounts for the major part of electric load increase. If new construction must be limited in the future for energy shortage reasons, then this might cause unfortunate economic results.

Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Will Beat Cool

Correction

"At about 3412 BTUs/KWh. "

More than 3412 BTUs/KWh.

Second law of thermodymics.

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Alternative Energy Storage: Cheap Will Beat Cool

BTUs IN, electricity OUT.

At about 3412 BTUs/KWh.

Flipping the middle finger at the laws of thermodynamics may not be a good idea?

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Peak Oil, Cars, and Depressions

"For example, if Obama decides to invest heavily in electrified light rail transport systems, that might create some viable investment concepts."

I am reading about electricity shortages in the US starting within several years.