West1

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Nice post buysolar. paultaut, it is ironic for Americans to refer to anyone else in the world right now as a "bully".

I guess only the United States is morally fit enough to own nuclear weapons?

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Btw, the second half of that youtube video does an excellent job of elucidating the method by which the right wing and their "think tanks" obfuscate truth through the media on so many issues.

One more link for you:

www.logicalscience.com/

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petyaczar,

Just a few comments and then I am content to let our respective words stand for themselves.

"You citing ridiculous points of reference such as salon.com and wikipedia, it laughable. And it points out your liberal point of view."

If by liberal, you mean not motivated by greed, fear and hatred, and interested in exposing the endless stream of fabrications and distortions from the current administration and it's tentacles in the media, then yes, feel free to call me "liberal". Speaking of fabrications and distortions, perhaps you can show me where I cited wikipedia. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that.

"West1, It IS NOT my responsibility to prove something is NOT the cause of something else = ie human activity is the cause of global warming.

It IS the responsibilty of those proponents of a sepcific theory to PROVE their specific theory = especially as regards causality.

The Scientific Method does not accept anecdotes as evidence."

I just spent a few minutes doing some more digging, started watching (haven't finished) this video:

www.youtube.com/watch?...

by Naomi Oreskes:

www.washingtonpost.com...

and then read about the Keeling Curve

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (now you can claim that I have referenced wikipedia)

and Benny Peiser

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

for whom Wikipedia is a useful place to start - where you go from there is up to you.

In any case, whether or not you believe that anthropogenic (caused by human activities) global warming is proven or not, clearly it is not a position supported by just "anecdotes".

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petyaczar,

Although you have made a lot of statements, I continue to notice that you have not "documented" any of them. On the other hand, I provided links containing information obviously at odds with your theories on global warming. Conspicuously, you ignored these.

Even if I were to accept your theory at face value that the U.N. is in favor of wealth transfer into the 3rd and 4th world, the first question that comes to my mind is: so? Is 'wealth transfer' of any kind an inherently bad thing?

The second question that comes to my mind is, how do you make the leap from this assumption to the conclusion that human activity is not a significant factor in global warming? I suspect it has more to do with the likes of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh than with scientific fact.

Big Daddy,

Regarding the fallacy of the "liberal media", here is a good place to start repairing your misinformation:

www.salon.com/opinion/.../

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petyaczar,

I asked about your real name only because if you're going to make statements such as,

"As A Scientist, I DO NOT BELIEVE there is ANY sufficient data supporting the notion of human activity as a cause of global warming."

I think you ought to be willing to put your name to it, especially since a quick google search is all it takes to make any unbiased thinking person have serious doubts about the likelihood of anything coming out of your mouth being anything other than prejudiced nonsense.

"I state a righteous assertion founded in documented fact."

Uh huh. Zero for two buddy.

How about you just explain this sentence:

"IMO global warming is a purely political and financial scam. A power grab by the U.N. to steal America's wealth and transfer it to the "poor countries" thru an international tax."

I think you may be on to something. The powerful third world lobby cooked up this global warming thing to try and grab money from rich countries like the United States. Then the scientists all just fell in line:

www.sciencemag.org/cgi...

www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/.../

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6.../

www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPO.../

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"As A Scientist, I DO NOT BELIEVE there is ANY sufficient data supporting the notion of human activity as a cause of global warming. "

petyaczar,

If you're a scientist, maybe you'd care to state your actual name?

You sound like just another mentally unbalanced right wing idiot to me.

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Jack,

Regarding both presidential candidates being "in favor of this course", I am skeptical of McCain, who actually seems to be a doubletalker (shocker) more interested in nuclear power.

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Jack,

Have a link on the Bush aministration scientific report?