rdr4

Strike Three for Geithner Today?

I thought John Stewart already established that the markets reaction to any given stimulus was irrelevant except to those engrossed in it.

According to the Market, Obama Is Off to a Very Bad Start

Markets already in schizophrenic breakdown mode have relatively little use in evaluation of short term cures or causes. Analysists looking at only one event and ignoring all causal possibilities are trying to sell something, not make a balanced substantive evaluation.

This seems like an evaluation that is a little pre-mature and ignores other causal factors. The inclusion of the Obama period of pre-election does not produce a more representative sample, nor does it reflect other significant events during the period and before. This is like saying the Chinese earthquake caused the Olympics. Two things occurring in the same time frame are not necessarily related and a causal relationship must be proven, not assumed by proximity. (To make that assumption without evidence of a causal relationship is a fallacy of logic and a propaganda tool.)

The number of economic problems ongoing for the last several years will not go away overnight and whatever the cures are, they will not have an effect overnight.

Government, like cancer, consumes the host. When Rome fell, 2/3 of the population worked for the government. It does not seem to be a new viewpoint that government will continue to grow no matter the identity of the leader.

Clearly, Obama is better at campaigning than being president, at this juncture.
Is this Obama-nation?

Tim Geithner's Monumental Plan Is Not Encouraging

Obama-nation!

Will a Thaw in Credit End the Crisis?

Perhaps I am failing to see what you see, but it's not that complex.
You can't spend what you don't have, for long.
A bail out for those who largely caused the problem causes
an extension of the problem, not a solution, and makes me doubtful regarding their suggested fixes. Economic theory is not an exact science, too many variables exist.

Giving the same amount of money to taxpayers with the stipulation that no monies of a taxpayer buy out could be spent until that taxpayer satisfies all debt would not only help banks but also help the taxpayers.

One reason boomers are less impacted by the credit issues is that they are nearing the fruition of their labors. They typically have more equity in their dwelling, retirement savings, and property holding that make them a more attractive loan prospect.

If we go into another big depression and things get really ugly, people who lose property because of ongoing official stupidity will become a volatile element in our society. Violent crime and theft will become the norm and class warfare is a real potential. I saw my first "shoot a lobbyist" bumpersticker, yesterday,...

Is There an End Game to the Recession?

Unlike physics, math, chemistry, and other physical sciences, ECONOMICS is not a precise science or discipline. ( Economics appears to be more like Sociology or Psychology, an imprecise science.)
Just as Aristotle, Plato, Euclid, and other mathmeticians only viewed limited landscape associated with their discipline, economists are also limited in understanding, experience, and handicapped by the worldwide statistical deception and the profit motive.
While China has taken steps to protect the population from depression related problems, the US has spent billions in attempts to discredit them.
Since our biggest produce appears to be bullshit, why not attach a device to Washington and NY which collects the bullshit and converts it to methane based fuel?

Why Most Americans Don't Mind if the Big Three Fail

There seems to be a presumption, on the part of the alarmists, that a failure of the big 3 would create an vacuum in the industry.
The demand for automobiles and trucks is not going away, it is being redistributed. Although it is possible that some other automaker might buy a substantial amount of the Detroit big 3 car makers distressed property to allow for the increase in their anticipated market-share, the foreign automakers seem to feel that the Detroit environment does not enhance their potential for producing a cost effective product.
Toyota, VW, Nissan, Honda, etc, appear to share that thought.

I have a 1996 F-350 diesel work truck pick-up, bought new. The glow plug condenser goes out every 3 months. The driver seat self destructed at 36,000 miles ( I weigh 180). The leaf springs broke although the truck was never overloaded. Ford did not even stock the springs. The transmission fell apart at 147,000. Now, the heater failed and Ford does not stock any replacement, nor is there a part available in the aftermarket. Yes, I want more of this, not!
Supporting Detroit is like holding a dead body above your head while swimming across a rampaging river.

Trying to Outsmart This Foolish Market

curious, seems like he said everybody hates China. If you re-read the article, it is there in English.
Paranoid? check your facts and wham bam, its not paranoia when the facts support the conclusions, do some research and enjoy the crow.


On Nov 13 10:20 AM bkinn wrote:

> rdr4,
>
> I think the article was about STOCK PERFORMANCE, and the market.
> You seem to have gone off on a paraniod tangent relating to secret
> wars being fought by the CIA.
>
> The author of this article is posting a list of stocks and giving
> a summary statement regarding the market reasoning. He is NOT attacking
> China. Please come out of your paranoid dillusion long enough to
> take a look at reality before you post a flaming comment.

Defining a Depression

a recession is when your neighbor loses his job
a depression is when you lose your job

Reasons to Bail Out GM

Detroit has fought tooth and nail against super-efficient cars and automotive innovation for years. It has suppressed domestic competition from innovative companies and individuals.
The big three have already failed. If they are not bailed out, the factories and assembly lines will not evaporate, it is likely they will be bought by better companies who represent better ideas and competitive products. This is a "survival of the fittest" scenario. Supporting industries who have failed to compete effectively at the expense of a public that is struggling is characteristic of entities that throw money at problems, not brain power. Unions are economic terrorists, at one time they may have been useful but now their existence causes inflation and makes it more difficult to compete.
In the end, will we be a country that sacrifices the people to save institutions which are useless without people?
Will it be the endless war, greed, terrible decisions, unions, free trade,
or the search for super-heavy isotopes on Mars ( stuff heavier than plutonium and uranium are potentially the necessary component for a WMD breakthrough) be the straw that breaks the camel's back?
Oh, you thought we were looking for water? or evidence of life? Silly you!!!

beam me up , Scotty, I just got a hot tip the money is on Uranus...

Defining a Depression

Stocks last forever?
Strange, it would seem that a valueless stock or a stock from an entity that has failed would not count as lasting forever.
Perhaps you are trying to sell me something.....

Trying to Outsmart This Foolish Market

Everyone does not hate China, and I would presume the rest of your article to be useless based on your glaring ignorance. (propaganda victim.)

In spite of the fact that the CIA pays the Dalai Lama $15,000.00 a month to be a China irritant (and has for more than 40 years), in spite of the fact that the US media failed to mention that the Dalai Lama was exiled from Tibet for passing espionage out of Russia for the CIA, in spite of the fact that the CIA funded Human Rights Watch and Reporters Without Borders (sans verite') to make up false stories before the elections, many people see through the propaganda.

If you speak with almost anyone who has been there, you would learn that it is quite different than the government and business controlled US media tells us.

Today the news tells us that bad air kills more people in LA than auto accidents. No mention of that before the Olympics, no mention that the Mexico City and LA Olympics had bad air quality, too. If the tables were turned, all the pictures in the world media would show the US as a burned out coal mine town in W VA.

In reality, most people hate us. We have interfered in the government and resources of dozens of countries, acted like a playground bully, produced limitless propaganda, sold weapons and drugs, and killed more innocents than Bin Laden, (if he even exists).

Countries are allowed to blow things and people up, countries can experiment with and use weapons of mass destruction. Terrorists appear to be individuals and groups behaving as countries. It is statistically more likely that you will be struck by lightning today than be harmed by terrorists. Yet, we have nearly bankrupted ourselves chasing ghosts in the mountains of Afganistan and the deserts of Iraq. Since we had the example of the former USSR going bankrupt after their time in Afganistan, doesn't that make us double stupid?

So here is my point,

wall street is fueled by bullshit
government by greed
you can rise above it
by buying what you need



So if you want to give advice, don't show me that you are confused on a global scale.

Joy Over the Chinese Stimulus Package Didn't Last Long

Seems like the joy over both stimulus packages is short lived, go get in line for a handout,.......

Comparing Valuations in China and the U.S.

I am 100% in China and have been out of Wally Street since the 70's. Believe what you must, but there's no recession at my house.
The US spends billions yearly to make China look bad. We do not have democracy here, either. ( Read Jefferson or Franklin to get a glimpse of democracy.)
I would like to get some of the $15,000 a month the CIA pays the Dalai Lama, and undisclosed amounts paid to Human Rights Watch, Reporters without Borders (sans verite') to be China irritants.
If you believe the media about China, you're clueless.

Sirius, GM, AIG: Where Is the Leadership in American Boardrooms?

I rarely attack posters but when anyone assails the intelligence of another without any real fact or another better idea, I write it off to that person forgetting to take their blood pressure medicine.
GM and other auto-makers have been unable to compete for years. No one would support their mis-management unless that person is making money from it and want more from bailouts.
Telling concerned persons who suggest improvements to pack their suitcase will only end up making this country weaker and leave room for persons such as yourself to profiteer from misery without the benefit of alternate opinions.
Get a clown suit, you're not part of any solution.


On Nov 11 06:08 PM sl62 wrote:

> Ashkan Karbasfrooshan...
>
> Sorry but your article is a joke!! How about you get a clue?
>
> 1. What you call a "joke" of an economy still supports your lifestyle
> A-hole. How would you like to be in a soup line, Dufus? If you don't
> like this country, why don't you do us all a favor and hit the road!!
> Go overseas and hang out there and write your articles (that's if
> they let you!)
>
> 2. The AIG "bailout" not only keeps you in your worthless lifrstyle,
> but it's aka A LOAN! With interest Duf (short for Dufus). Do you
> know what that means? That's right Duf, on your behalf, your joke
> government will be making money on interest. Billions Duf! Hey Duf,
> do you know that one of the functions of YOUR government is as the
> lender of last resort, Duf? To keep your sorry arse out of a soup
> line A-hole? Buy a clue for 500 man.
>
> 3. GM...see #2 Duf!!
>
> 4. SIRI...Why are you a headline grabber? Did you even look at the
> metrics? Subs? Churn? Do you understand that 3 months does not this
> new combined company make, Duf? Do you even have a clue what that
> 4B number represents and why? Clearly not. You're a headline maven.
> You see a headline and you freak without understanding it. Aka, your
> a Dufus! Would it kill you to report the real story that SIRI revs
> are actually up 16% while ALL their competition reported negative
> revenues? But why report that? You duf...
>
> OK. Let's review.
>
> 1. You're a huge Dufus.
> 2. Where do they grow people like you?
> 3. You're not a fan of America so you hopefully right now are packing
> your suitcase.
> 4. While you're reading about the next round of layoffs, hopefully
> your name will be on that list!
> 5. You're irresponsible.
> 6. Hopefully this is your last joke article ever (of you even want
> to call it an article).
>
> There. You had your rant and I had mine. Duf.

U.S. Can Blame Wall Street - Who Should Everyone Else Blame?

I agree some more English words need to be used to insure comprehension.
I agree that as long as Washington is run as a whorehouse, the problem is going to continue.
I additionally agree that lobbyists represent an anti-democracy entity, capable of circumventing and perverting the government's charge of insuring a stable economy. (Clearly, the government is incompetent at providing a stable platform for business, but seriously now, would you hire a lawyer to build your house, manage your aquarium, or mow your lawn? No, the product of lawyers and legislators is noise not necessarily attached to any productive action or reality.)
Pay all legislators the mean average income of their electorate, abolish incumbancy, audit all legislators semi-annually, and install the death penalty as punishment for betraying the public trust. Send all lobbyists to Gitmo. Watch democracy work, again.
Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin saw the potentials for perversion of democracy at the beginning of our country. Read their thoughts and it is easy to see that everything that worried them has come to be.
Today, Nancy wants to burn my earnings to pay for campaign votes delivered by auto-makers.
Our legislators cannot bail out incompetently run entities on my dollar, survival of the fittest makes a strong America, bailouts are cancer.
I hope someone will spend as much time writing to elected officials as they will spend on this blog.