nadine's Comments nadine's Comments RSS Syndication from SeekingAlpha.com http://seekingalpha.comuser/222738/comments Major Changes Announced by eBay: Part II http://seekingalpha.com/article/151656-major-changes-announced-by-ebay-part-ii?source=feed#comment-612144 612144
If my competitor gets fewer than 2000 DSR ratings a year (normally you only get rated on about half your sales, so this means he sells about 4000 items a year), my one bad rating alone will push him over the ridiculously low 0.5% low DSR bar, and he will be out of the Top Seller program. As an added bonus, if he gets fewer than 500 ratings a year, I have pushed him over the 2% pass/fail bar, so he is now a "BAD" eBay seller who will be put on a 12 month restriction. Even if every single one of his other 1000 transactions was absolutely perfect with 5.0 DSRs across the board.

So one malicious review can put a small seller out of business. Easily.

Remember that one of the DSR criteria is "Shipping Time" which is not even under a seller's control. Woe betide you if the Post Office ever loses one of your packages for a couple of weeks.]]>
Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:57:01 -0400
If my competitor gets fewer than 2000 DSR ratings a year (normally you only get rated on about half your sales, so this means he sells about 4000 items a year), my one bad rating alone will push him over the ridiculously low 0.5% low DSR bar, and he will be out of the Top Seller program. As an added bonus, if he gets fewer than 500 ratings a year, I have pushed him over the 2% pass/fail bar, so he is now a "BAD" eBay seller who will be put on a 12 month restriction. Even if every single one of his other 1000 transactions was absolutely perfect with 5.0 DSRs across the board.

So one malicious review can put a small seller out of business. Easily.

Remember that one of the DSR criteria is "Shipping Time" which is not even under a seller's control. Woe betide you if the Post Office ever loses one of your packages for a couple of weeks.]]>
eBay's Earnings a Successful Bid for Market Leadership http://seekingalpha.com/article/132627-ebay-s-earnings-a-successful-bid-for-market-leadership?source=feed#comment-474728 474728
How many excuses for mismanagement are you ready to believe? When eBay decided over a year ago to back away from being an online auction house, its core brand, in favor of becoming a me-too Amazon, all this was foreordained. Given the choice between a bad imitation of Amazon and the real Amazon, sellers will take the real Amazon every time. Better profits, better service, fewer hassles across the board.]]>
Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:47:13 -0400
How many excuses for mismanagement are you ready to believe? When eBay decided over a year ago to back away from being an online auction house, its core brand, in favor of becoming a me-too Amazon, all this was foreordained. Given the choice between a bad imitation of Amazon and the real Amazon, sellers will take the real Amazon every time. Better profits, better service, fewer hassles across the board.]]>
eBay Offers Something Amazon Cannot http://seekingalpha.com/article/132436-ebay-offers-something-amazon-cannot?source=feed#comment-473578 473578
Donahoe squandered much of eBay's good will and market share on an ill-conceived campaign to compete with Amazon. Even the analysts on Wall St can see that this effort has failed. Donahoe is now trying to backpedal into something that will work for eBay and obfuscate their failure; that's what all the blather about "secondary market" is about. However, believing that auctions are obsolete (despite still providing half eBay's GMV), he has not yet attempted to support them, even though they remain at the core of eBay's Marketplace business. The Marketplace business will continue to flounder until he returns to supporting the eBay core brand. The most you can say about eBay's latest moves is that they have stopped actively running off sellers. Now Amazon just pulls them away with better service and results.]]>
Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:27:26 -0400
Donahoe squandered much of eBay's good will and market share on an ill-conceived campaign to compete with Amazon. Even the analysts on Wall St can see that this effort has failed. Donahoe is now trying to backpedal into something that will work for eBay and obfuscate their failure; that's what all the blather about "secondary market" is about. However, believing that auctions are obsolete (despite still providing half eBay's GMV), he has not yet attempted to support them, even though they remain at the core of eBay's Marketplace business. The Marketplace business will continue to flounder until he returns to supporting the eBay core brand. The most you can say about eBay's latest moves is that they have stopped actively running off sellers. Now Amazon just pulls them away with better service and results.]]>
eBay: Where It Stands, Where It Should Be Headed http://seekingalpha.com/article/124877-ebay-where-it-stands-where-it-should-be-headed?source=feed#comment-419775 419775
Auctions are flourishing in the real world and should be flourishing on line if they were properly managed. eBay just turned against them when they became fixated on growth above all else. eBay should put this cash cow out to a good pasture and let it give milk. They are destroying the foundation of their brand by trying to become what they are not.]]>
Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:51:15 -0400
Auctions are flourishing in the real world and should be flourishing on line if they were properly managed. eBay just turned against them when they became fixated on growth above all else. eBay should put this cash cow out to a good pasture and let it give milk. They are destroying the foundation of their brand by trying to become what they are not.]]>
Shares of eBay Hit Seven Year Low http://seekingalpha.com/article/123404-shares-of-ebay-hit-seven-year-low?source=feed#comment-408838 408838
JD has turned selling on eBay into a minefield for sellers, and all you can say about the company's judgment is that good sellers are less likely to step on a mine than bad sellers. But when any seller steps on a mine, whether for some cause or in total innocence, that is 'too bad, so sad' for him, because eBay provides no appeal and no customer service to speak of. They also provide no customer service to the buyers they claim to be solicitous of, interestingly enough. Their customer service, in practical terms, consists of demanding that sellers provide the buyers with Nordstrom service at Walmart prices, while paying high fees to eBay.

Considering that sellers provide the lion's share of Marketplace and Paypal revenue, while buyers provide NONE, this is an extraordinary example of a company refusing even to acknowledge who its paying customers are, let alone catering to their needs. This creates a hostile and unsustainable business environment. Wall Street is only now catching up to what eBay employees and sellers have known for several years. But this management listens to neither.]]>
Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:19:06 -0500
JD has turned selling on eBay into a minefield for sellers, and all you can say about the company's judgment is that good sellers are less likely to step on a mine than bad sellers. But when any seller steps on a mine, whether for some cause or in total innocence, that is 'too bad, so sad' for him, because eBay provides no appeal and no customer service to speak of. They also provide no customer service to the buyers they claim to be solicitous of, interestingly enough. Their customer service, in practical terms, consists of demanding that sellers provide the buyers with Nordstrom service at Walmart prices, while paying high fees to eBay.

Considering that sellers provide the lion's share of Marketplace and Paypal revenue, while buyers provide NONE, this is an extraordinary example of a company refusing even to acknowledge who its paying customers are, let alone catering to their needs. This creates a hostile and unsustainable business environment. Wall Street is only now catching up to what eBay employees and sellers have known for several years. But this management listens to neither.]]>
Suggestions for eBay 2.0 http://seekingalpha.com/article/122138-suggestions-for-ebay-2-0?source=feed#comment-400878 400878
User 363989, if the benchmark for Donahoe's removal really is $8 / share, we shouldn't have long to wait. Less than four dollars to go. I can only wish.]]>
Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:37:02 -0500
User 363989, if the benchmark for Donahoe's removal really is $8 / share, we shouldn't have long to wait. Less than four dollars to go. I can only wish.]]>
How to Fix eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/119641-how-to-fix-ebay?source=feed#comment-383450 383450
At some point the stock price will indeed be too low, if only as a takeover candidate. There must be many smart people at Microsoft and Google thinking about possibilities. But where and when, I could not venture to guess.]]>
Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:35:33 -0500
At some point the stock price will indeed be too low, if only as a takeover candidate. There must be many smart people at Microsoft and Google thinking about possibilities. But where and when, I could not venture to guess.]]>
How to Fix eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/119641-how-to-fix-ebay?source=feed#comment-383264 383264 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:46:38 -0500 How to Fix eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/119641-how-to-fix-ebay?source=feed#comment-383251 383251
a) until five years ago they really were a community site, and advertised themselves as such (another early advantage they completely wasted), so the change to big-corporation greed fostered feelings of betrayal

b) they have been acting so capriciously, esp. in the last year, really hurting people in the pocketbook for no good reason and making it impossible to plan

c) they cut special deals with the new "Diamond" sellers without offering any volume discounts to their existing large sellers (now there's a real customer "disloyalty" program)

d) as icing on the cake, they have insulted their paying customers (the sellers) by insisting that the buyers, not the sellers, are actually their customers who must be protected from the untrustworthy sellers, leaving the sellers - who pay ALL the fees for every transaction and who provide ALL the goods are services as a kind of indentured servant subject to Master eBay's whims.

Put these four points together, and you will see why sellers are not only leaving eBay in droves, but doing so with cries of "Death to eBay corporation!"

Even those who are staying have diversified and cut way back. like Jonathan Garriss, Executive Director of PeSA, who now does only 10% of his business on eBay according to a recent interview. Mr. Garriss is a large volume seller whose business ought to have fit in comfortably with a new fixed-price eBay, except that he was an existing seller and he couldn't get volume discounts.

eBay's behavior defies every common sense rule of business self-interest. I suppose you have to be a Harvard MBA and an ex-Bain consultant to think you have no need to listen to your customers or keep them happy because you know better. This management must go.]]>
Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:34:46 -0500
a) until five years ago they really were a community site, and advertised themselves as such (another early advantage they completely wasted), so the change to big-corporation greed fostered feelings of betrayal

b) they have been acting so capriciously, esp. in the last year, really hurting people in the pocketbook for no good reason and making it impossible to plan

c) they cut special deals with the new "Diamond" sellers without offering any volume discounts to their existing large sellers (now there's a real customer "disloyalty" program)

d) as icing on the cake, they have insulted their paying customers (the sellers) by insisting that the buyers, not the sellers, are actually their customers who must be protected from the untrustworthy sellers, leaving the sellers - who pay ALL the fees for every transaction and who provide ALL the goods are services as a kind of indentured servant subject to Master eBay's whims.

Put these four points together, and you will see why sellers are not only leaving eBay in droves, but doing so with cries of "Death to eBay corporation!"

Even those who are staying have diversified and cut way back. like Jonathan Garriss, Executive Director of PeSA, who now does only 10% of his business on eBay according to a recent interview. Mr. Garriss is a large volume seller whose business ought to have fit in comfortably with a new fixed-price eBay, except that he was an existing seller and he couldn't get volume discounts.

eBay's behavior defies every common sense rule of business self-interest. I suppose you have to be a Harvard MBA and an ex-Bain consultant to think you have no need to listen to your customers or keep them happy because you know better. This management must go.]]>
Some Advice for Business-Challenged eBay http://seekingalpha.com/article/115475-some-advice-for-business-challenged-ebay?source=feed#comment-361313 361313
Any business that mistakes its customer's customers for its own, and its own customers for indentured servants, as eBay has done, definitely deserves to be called "business-challenged."]]>
Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:47:27 -0500
Any business that mistakes its customer's customers for its own, and its own customers for indentured servants, as eBay has done, definitely deserves to be called "business-challenged."]]>
What Will Become of eBay? http://seekingalpha.com/article/111743-what-will-become-of-ebay?source=feed#comment-335286 335286
Meanwhile, the auction business struggles on, on a degraded platform full of glitches with far too many changes, all of which are designed to help the fixed price business and not the auction business. eBay originally tried developing the fixed price business on a separate site, but it failed, so now they are jackhammering the original site.

Analysts: Stop watching the listing numbers. They are meaningless. eBay can manipulate them at will. Watch the traffic numbers and the margin numbers. They tell the true tale.]]>
Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:47:47 -0500
Meanwhile, the auction business struggles on, on a degraded platform full of glitches with far too many changes, all of which are designed to help the fixed price business and not the auction business. eBay originally tried developing the fixed price business on a separate site, but it failed, so now they are jackhammering the original site.

Analysts: Stop watching the listing numbers. They are meaningless. eBay can manipulate them at will. Watch the traffic numbers and the margin numbers. They tell the true tale.]]>
2008: The Year eBay Lost Its Mojo http://seekingalpha.com/article/111564-2008-the-year-ebay-lost-its-mojo?source=feed#comment-334481 334481

Culminating a long stretch in which the two companies’ traffic numbers have been heading in opposite directions, Amazon.com passed eBay.com in November as the most popular retail destination on the Internet, according to Nielsen Online.

Amazon.com, No. 1 in the Internet Retailer Top 500 Guide, attracted 57.7 million unique visitors last month, up 8% from last year, while eBay’s audience of 55.4 million was 6% lower than during November 2007.

Here are the top 15 retail web sites in November, with unique visitors in millions this year and last and the percentage change.

* Amazon, 57,682, 53,630, 8%
* eBay, 55,438, 59,041, -6%
* Wal-Mart, 39,420, 35,003, 13%
* Target, 35,902, 34,611, 4%
* Best Buy, 22,138, 22,736, -3%
* Sears, 19,541, 17,805, 10%
* Dell, 17,058, 18,918, -10%
* JCPenney, 16,933, 15,929, 6%
* Circuit City, 16,609, 19,135, -13%
* Netflix, 13,538, 11,954, 13%
* Kohl’s, 13,257, 10,516, 26%
* ToysRUs, 13,041, 13,726, -5%
* The Home Depot, 12,169, 10,608, 15%
* Overstock.com, 11,812, 18,419, -36%
* Kmart, 11,713, 8,693, 35%

Unique visitors count only once each shopper who came to a site, no matter how many times the shopper visited. This is a custom list compiled by Internet Retailer of the top e-commerce sites in this category based on Nielsen Online data.
www.internetretailer.c...]]>
Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:52:52 -0500

Culminating a long stretch in which the two companies’ traffic numbers have been heading in opposite directions, Amazon.com passed eBay.com in November as the most popular retail destination on the Internet, according to Nielsen Online.

Amazon.com, No. 1 in the Internet Retailer Top 500 Guide, attracted 57.7 million unique visitors last month, up 8% from last year, while eBay’s audience of 55.4 million was 6% lower than during November 2007.

Here are the top 15 retail web sites in November, with unique visitors in millions this year and last and the percentage change.

* Amazon, 57,682, 53,630, 8%
* eBay, 55,438, 59,041, -6%
* Wal-Mart, 39,420, 35,003, 13%
* Target, 35,902, 34,611, 4%
* Best Buy, 22,138, 22,736, -3%
* Sears, 19,541, 17,805, 10%
* Dell, 17,058, 18,918, -10%
* JCPenney, 16,933, 15,929, 6%
* Circuit City, 16,609, 19,135, -13%
* Netflix, 13,538, 11,954, 13%
* Kohl’s, 13,257, 10,516, 26%
* ToysRUs, 13,041, 13,726, -5%
* The Home Depot, 12,169, 10,608, 15%
* Overstock.com, 11,812, 18,419, -36%
* Kmart, 11,713, 8,693, 35%

Unique visitors count only once each shopper who came to a site, no matter how many times the shopper visited. This is a custom list compiled by Internet Retailer of the top e-commerce sites in this category based on Nielsen Online data.
www.internetretailer.c...]]>
eBay's Weakening Bid http://seekingalpha.com/article/106757-ebay-s-weakening-bid?source=feed#comment-310553 310553
First, eBay artificially increased the number with Buy.com's and other "diamond sellers" listings (Buy alone has over 500,000). Those new diamond sellers don't pay listing fees so there's a hit to revenue. Then in September they instituted the new Fixed Price 30 format, which brought millions of pre-existing Store listings into eBay Core. Medved only counts Core listings. The FP30 listings do bring more revenue than the old store ones 35 cents/mo as opposed to 5 or 10) but the total fee varies. For electronics and computers it's cheaper than in Store, so those listings have moved en masse and their fee burden is somewhat lower. The complaining you hear is from the rest of the sellers, whose fees have gone up.

In sum, those higher listing numbers do NOT represent a higher revenue stream for eBay, and are easily manipulated and touted to ignorant analysts (but I repeat myself). Don't be fooled.]]>
Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:47:23 -0500
First, eBay artificially increased the number with Buy.com's and other "diamond sellers" listings (Buy alone has over 500,000). Those new diamond sellers don't pay listing fees so there's a hit to revenue. Then in September they instituted the new Fixed Price 30 format, which brought millions of pre-existing Store listings into eBay Core. Medved only counts Core listings. The FP30 listings do bring more revenue than the old store ones 35 cents/mo as opposed to 5 or 10) but the total fee varies. For electronics and computers it's cheaper than in Store, so those listings have moved en masse and their fee burden is somewhat lower. The complaining you hear is from the rest of the sellers, whose fees have gone up.

In sum, those higher listing numbers do NOT represent a higher revenue stream for eBay, and are easily manipulated and touted to ignorant analysts (but I repeat myself). Don't be fooled.]]>
Big eBay Developments: Layoffs, Gobbles Up BillMeLater http://seekingalpha.com/article/98655-big-ebay-developments-layoffs-gobbles-up-billmelater?source=feed#comment-276076 276076
Yup, finding nice stories to tell The Street is eBay management's true expertise, no doubt about it. But in the current environment, even that won't save the stock. Will it save John Donahoe's job come January? Time will tell.]]>
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:25:06 -0400
Yup, finding nice stories to tell The Street is eBay management's true expertise, no doubt about it. But in the current environment, even that won't save the stock. Will it save John Donahoe's job come January? Time will tell.]]>
Why eBay Needs Shipping Cap http://seekingalpha.com/article/98881-why-ebay-needs-shipping-cap?source=feed#comment-276067 276067
Can you imagine any other business doing this? What if your employer told you pay day would be October 25th and then moved it to October 31st? What if you hustled to do your taxes, and the IRS moved it June this year unannounced? Those seem ludicrous, but this is how it now feels to sell on eBay.</i>

Scott, let your ears hear what your mouth is saying. Are you still happy to be long eBay? The reason for all the unintended consequences is staringly obvious: the MBA gearheads running eBay have no idea how sellers do business on the site. All they know is the numbers in their computer models. How their bright ideas actually affect real sellers and buyers always catches them by surprise.]]>
Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:17:50 -0400
Can you imagine any other business doing this? What if your employer told you pay day would be October 25th and then moved it to October 31st? What if you hustled to do your taxes, and the IRS moved it June this year unannounced? Those seem ludicrous, but this is how it now feels to sell on eBay.</i>

Scott, let your ears hear what your mouth is saying. Are you still happy to be long eBay? The reason for all the unintended consequences is staringly obvious: the MBA gearheads running eBay have no idea how sellers do business on the site. All they know is the numbers in their computer models. How their bright ideas actually affect real sellers and buyers always catches them by surprise.]]>
eBay's AdCommerce: A Repackaged Keywords on eBay? http://seekingalpha.com/article/97510-ebay-s-adcommerce-a-repackaged-keywords-on-ebay?source=feed#comment-265930 265930
This being eBay, they will try to do the second without doing the first. They have already claimed falsely to have lowered listing fees for the masses when they in fact, raised them for the vast majority. Now they add a pay-per-click model that only makes sense for the mega "diamond" sellers who don't pay listing fees in the first place.]]>
Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:59:41 -0400
This being eBay, they will try to do the second without doing the first. They have already claimed falsely to have lowered listing fees for the masses when they in fact, raised them for the vast majority. Now they add a pay-per-click model that only makes sense for the mega "diamond" sellers who don't pay listing fees in the first place.]]>
3 Theories on Why Fewer eBay Listings Are Showing Up on Google http://seekingalpha.com/article/97376-3-theories-on-why-fewer-ebay-listings-are-showing-up-on-google?source=feed#comment-265583 265583 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:41:18 -0400 3 Theories on Why Fewer eBay Listings Are Showing Up on Google http://seekingalpha.com/article/97376-3-theories-on-why-fewer-ebay-listings-are-showing-up-on-google?source=feed#comment-265370 265370 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:55:08 -0400 3 Theories on Why Fewer eBay Listings Are Showing Up on Google http://seekingalpha.com/article/97376-3-theories-on-why-fewer-ebay-listings-are-showing-up-on-google?source=feed#comment-265368 265368
To those who think Google is changing something: lots of people have noticed a sharper dropoff in references from Google since Sept 16th (see Auctionbytes and eBayStrategies blogs for discussions). It's a much simpler explanation that the new FP30 format which was rolled out on that date did something nasty to eBay's SEO, than to think it's deliberate on Google's part. But nobody is certain.]]>
Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:50:35 -0400
To those who think Google is changing something: lots of people have noticed a sharper dropoff in references from Google since Sept 16th (see Auctionbytes and eBayStrategies blogs for discussions). It's a much simpler explanation that the new FP30 format which was rolled out on that date did something nasty to eBay's SEO, than to think it's deliberate on Google's part. But nobody is certain.]]>
What Will Be the Impact of eBay's Rate Changes? http://seekingalpha.com/article/93600-what-will-be-the-impact-of-ebay-s-rate-changes?source=feed#comment-245950 245950 uk.ebid.net ? It's a lowcost auction site, like ebay used to be.]]> Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:59:59 -0400 uk.ebid.net ? It's a lowcost auction site, like ebay used to be.]]> eBay Introduces New Listing Type http://seekingalpha.com/article/91872-ebay-introduces-new-listing-type?source=feed#comment-236201 236201 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:01:52 -0400 EBay's New Fixed-Price Move: Amazon Envy? http://seekingalpha.com/article/91831-ebay-s-new-fixed-price-move-amazon-envy?source=feed#comment-235291 235291 Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:48:56 -0400 eBay's Latest Screw-Up http://seekingalpha.com/article/89675-ebay-s-latest-screw-up?source=feed#comment-226972 226972
It's not news that nobody in Ebay management has ever used Ebay in a serious fashion. That's been painfully obvious for some time. My question is, does anybody in the current Ebay management have any experience in retail, at all? Has John Donohoe ever sold tangible goods, not just consulting schemes? It would seem not. It's really mystifying how so many supposedly smart people cannot realize that if they turn a venue into a place where most sellers cannot reliably make a profit, most sellers will leave. Does Donahoe intend to remake Ebay with a new set of sellers? If so, where does he intend to find them and what does he intend to offer them?]]>
Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:58:37 -0400
It's not news that nobody in Ebay management has ever used Ebay in a serious fashion. That's been painfully obvious for some time. My question is, does anybody in the current Ebay management have any experience in retail, at all? Has John Donohoe ever sold tangible goods, not just consulting schemes? It would seem not. It's really mystifying how so many supposedly smart people cannot realize that if they turn a venue into a place where most sellers cannot reliably make a profit, most sellers will leave. Does Donahoe intend to remake Ebay with a new set of sellers? If so, where does he intend to find them and what does he intend to offer them?]]>
eBay is Listening http://seekingalpha.com/article/84490-ebay-is-listening?source=feed#comment-203501 203501
The minimum feedback percentage required to remain in the Powerseller program: 99.5%

QED]]>
Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:28:50 -0400
The minimum feedback percentage required to remain in the Powerseller program: 99.5%

QED]]>
Q2 Predictions for eBay Business Segments http://seekingalpha.com/article/83854-q2-predictions-for-ebay-business-segments?source=feed#comment-199534 199534 </i>
Translation: as ebay sellers leave, their listings are replaced by the listings of mega-stores like Buy.com. However, since the leaving sellers paid full listing fees, and Buy.com et. al. pay none, there is a hit to revenue. Since Buy.com has a terrible sell-through rate (2.4%, yes that's not a typo!), a further hit to overall conversion rates and revenues takes place. This analyst thinks this hit will be overcome by rising revenue from advertising and FX. Do note that he does NOT break out Marketplace revenue from listings vs. other sources. This is no accident. Ebay will trumpet the rising listing numbers, which they can pad at will, and hide the falling listing revenues as best they can.
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Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:38:22 -0400 </i>
Translation: as ebay sellers leave, their listings are replaced by the listings of mega-stores like Buy.com. However, since the leaving sellers paid full listing fees, and Buy.com et. al. pay none, there is a hit to revenue. Since Buy.com has a terrible sell-through rate (2.4%, yes that's not a typo!), a further hit to overall conversion rates and revenues takes place. This analyst thinks this hit will be overcome by rising revenue from advertising and FX. Do note that he does NOT break out Marketplace revenue from listings vs. other sources. This is no accident. Ebay will trumpet the rising listing numbers, which they can pad at will, and hide the falling listing revenues as best they can.
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