Everyone has a right to project a target stock price based on a timeframe. The author detailed his reasons why whether anyone agrees or not. That's the point of the forum. It's information, it's data. Stay on topic ? "dirty" has relentlessly pursued this article instead of being gracious about what is obvious market manipulation of sentiment or fear or whatever you want to call it. AAPL has always been very volatile so it goes up alot and goes down alot. In the fall timeframe of 2011 to early 2012, Apple went up 200+ points when there were cries of being too high too fast and talk of Apple's demise. I invite you or dirty" to make your own 12-month projection so that the author can track you down and have at it. The behavior is despictable.
I'm not saying sentiment is not important. I think it's data. Fundamentals, technicals, sentiment, it's all data. But beyond that and much more important IMO is the long term and what ultimately wins is what and how the Company is doing based on reality and not charts and sentiment. This is what YOU are missing. That's why many of us Longs are consistently successful and NOT easily swayed by basic sentiment data. I can't tell you how many times I've heard comments like "slap happy Apple cultists" or "fanboys" or "the stock has gone too high" and so that's why everyone should sell. The story has always turned out the same. The short term Unknowledgeable sentiment players reacted without having a grounded footing of why they held the stock in the first place. There's a short term reaction and then the stock ultimately reached new highs leaving the losers in the dust. Will you be one of them ?--let's see. I've seen this over and over again only to reap huge profits myself for not caving and you think you are going to school me ? Not hardly ! I don't claim to have all the answers either and that's a mute point. But I do have certain advantages of being a long-time marketing technologist and heavily successful at new product marketing and having followed the strategic positioning and product marketing intricacies of Apple and many other technology Companies for many years. Knowing with insight how they are doing and impact and what their probable prospects will be trumps basic stock market sentiment any day for cashing in. You can deny it if you want but I have reaped the results. If tomorrow Apple announces an iRadio service across their product lines or a China mobile deal, what does that do to your position and willy nilly sentiment. It's a dime turner and very risky to use as your key data. I've been hearing that AAPL is just too high and the sky is falling every single year so imagine how silly you sound to me. The fact that you chase this author around almost a year later spouting off claiming you are right and trying to boost your ego is so telling to many readers.
You have already told everyone so much about yourself. It's very clear to me. "Look at me", "Look at me". It was clear to me when you started spouting off comparisons of Apple to Microsoft and old days of the PC and clone market that you were an Apple novice saying the same trash that was spittaled a decade ago. You obviously know nothing about the company, markets, product impacts, strategies but claim to know about fundamentals, charts/technical and yes sentiment. I'd say you follow your own sentiment as swayed by the negative Apple campaign which took hold in the presence of Apple silence. What is sentiment anyway ? It is how you feel from one day to the next. It is easily swayed by what you felt or heard each day without necessarily any insight or reality. You followed the masses running to the exits. A self-fulfilling phrophesy. No one can predict sentiment and how it will turn one day or the next but you want to claim you are Right. No you are Wrong. I don't care that the stock has swayed in the short term. It will go back up soon enough. You are the one that doesn't get it but maybe you will in another 25 years. You seem to insinuate I bought in the 600's or 700's. No I did not. I bought at much lower levels and as low as $9.xx. I trade on top of my holdings. How about you? How well did you purchase ? How was your insight ? Please tell me more about your Apple knowledge.
I would also add that it was more of a self-fullfilling phrophecy in light of a continual smear campaign against Apple without any answer from Apple or new catalysts that snowballed the fear in retail investors and fund managers. Fear took over and not clear heads on the big picture. It isn't real and it's just to shake out investors to establish new low positions. If Apple had addressed the fears or timed its innovations better, it would not of been allowed to self-fulfill and allow the price drop. But as Tim Cook reiterated, it's not Apple's job to chase after stock prices in the moment but instead to deliver great products. The rest will follow.
We heard again from TC, they will not sacrifice quality for short term gains like a bigger screen if the technology is not supportive and requires substandard tradeoffs. I cannot see Android winning long term. It is fragmented and no one of the many hardware manufacturers can completely control their destiny based on Android. It will become more and more like a can of worms like Microsoft Windows. Apple's control of its own evolving OS and Ecosystem is greatly underestimated and is probably its greatest asset. To me, the last 6 months is mostly manipulated fear and just a bump in the road when you consider the last 12 years and the long run yet ahead. You don't want to be caught without APPL if you can help it. If it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't real. I myself these days like to mostly hold, and trade some small relative shares on top of the holdings to catch the swing action.
Keep looking in the mirror and telling yourself this. I guess it helps.
Please tell me more about Apple insights besides sentiment, charts, and your proclaimed fundamentals.
No, the fact is that I have specialized on Apple for many years and much insight beyond that for which I won't elaborate but it has allowed me to consistently with patience guide properly and accurately over the long term horizon to the tune of making more than you can imagine for yourself. Don't believe me, I don't care. I will continue to do so. I doubt you have the same track record based on your charts. I don't discount technicals but they are just added information. Nothing will beat having insight to the product and marketing strategies on a long-term basis. Not even market sentiment, or manipulation will work as long as ultimately the Company performs. We saw this end of 2011 when everyone capitulated and jumped in springboarding the stock about 200 points. But keep focusing on the short term and see where it gets you.
"I use a combination of fundamentals, technicals, and sentiment. I'll tell you this: The fundamentals of AAPL may have been good (though IMO not quite as good as everyone was saying) but the big loser was the sentiment, which was WAY overblown. Sentiment can be a killer because it can cause a stock to get ahead of itself, which is what I believe happened with AAPL"
And that's your problem. You are mainly a shortest. The negative sentiment was self fulfilling in the wake of silence. It isn't real--get it ! Apple beat for the most part. There are new categories coming. It's the same pattern from experience. You don't seem to know the Company or real important insights but simply superficialalities. That's why I corrected you in the first place when you started attacking everyone's ideas. Without the falseness of it all, the stock may have just as well reached $950 before August. Again, I didn't claim that. I supported and still do more than ever the long-term picture for Apple and where its price is headed. You are just self-focused on trying to convince everyone you are right. About what, a short term movement based on false sentiment and price manipulation. That does not show any insight into Apple, the product impacts, the rollouts, the management or really anything of substance other than rumor, sentiment, and charts. Teenagers tend to think they have all the answers and know everything there is to know in life until they get older and more mature. They discount the wisdom that comes from experience. It's not until later that they realize that they really didn't know so much. Keep focusing on shouting that you think you are right and trying to convince everyone of that following this author around almost a year later. Yippee ! No one cares. Many of us are looking for the next wave. If by chance the stock hits $950 in September (unlikely without a new innovation timewise) will you declare you are right. If I flip a coin and you call heads and it comes up heads, will you stand up and say look at me, look at me !! End of Story.
@scott trader, Financially, I like what Apple did meaning they slightly raised the dividend (I wish it was a bit more but a great yield) , the buyback plan is fantastic which should allay fears with much more to come down the pike and shows management confidence while reducing share dilution, and then borrowing funds favorably in the U.S. while not repatriating 70% of Apple's cash just to pay taxes. Everything I see does lay down a solid foundation for the future yet to be realized. That foundation has been building for quite some time with the various data center buildouts, retail store buildouts worldwide, enterprise penetration, patent portfolio, and ecosystem continual expansion. So I think Apple will run away with it all again providing their next real innovations are done correctly. TC does seem to say the right things about carrying on Apple culture, not catering to wallstreet bears to support pricing but to keep delivering quality and consumer enriched products and so forth. I gather that 2014 will be a great year from what we heard today with a build up between now and then. As I often said, Apple is not sitting back on their laurels but they silently and patiently are readying the next categories. To think otherwise doesn't make sense even though the stock has been priced that way. The summer quarter is another delaying bottleneck but I hope we get a few catalysts along the way before fall. In any case the trendline should be upward but of course we will still hear some bearish talk trying to pull the stock price down. That increase in buybacks is huge though. The impact of that alone still remains to be realized in the price. The Longs have been richly rewarded in the past and have made out the best with AAPL. You have to survive the tougher periods however like we experienced the last 6 months. No Company is in as good a position as Apple in these times and so I try to keep that in mind the same as I did back in the 2009 subprime days when everything crashed and also back in the days between iPods and iPhone. Good Luck To You and patience is golden.
"I am still not long AAPL because the market needs to fall FIRST. AAPL could the $350's before this is all over. "
Really ? Did you fail to get all aboard ? I tried to warn you. I warned you the negativity wasn't all real and was overdone. I guess you'll try to jump in now ? That's why the 12 years is important. This has happened repeatedly. Yes, we have a tough quarter ahead but I think the fears have been much set aside now. I now expect an upward trend. The timeline is skewed as I mentioned before. Apple hasn't released the next big thing--YET. That's how you can get to a $950. It can't happen otherwise. But I believe it's coming as Cook says. Many Longs (and you know I'm one of them) are sitting on one of the best dividends in the world plus future high potential for growth unless you want to call Tim Cook a liar. You wanting to be right just makes you more wrong.
As I said before, you need to check yourself, and not ignore Apple's history and Apple patterns. You are simply new to the Apple party and apparently a short. Seen a lot of that. I don't know about $950 for August; wasn't my claim. The momentum was clearly upwards at the time and Apple upgraded its products lines which was a great housekeeping move. The changeover away from Samsung and many other reasons have skewed the timeline and pessimism has set in. The technical B.S. took over with pessimistic control and willy nilly sentiment not based on reality. Apple is silent as I think they should be. The momentum will go the other way. Pay attention and stop staring at your charts.
I tried to relate to you the difference in thinking you are right based on simply short term unwarranted aberrations. It is the difference in experience and a short versus a long-term view. I myself never claimed $950 by August. That was the article prediction. What we've seen is silence from Apple allowing the web of negativity to spin and be self-fulfilling. No one can predict that. What experienced long-term investors can do is predict with reasonable accuracy what they think the performance of the company is going to be and the pricing to follow. Apple's stock price has always lagged its performance and recognition by the investing community. I say you spout off way too much. We shall see how the long term pans out. Ignoring the last 12 years by you is foolish. That's not a deflection. I'm willing to accept skewed timelines; it doesn't change my opinion as an investor. I think you are new to the Apple party acting like an expert which is why I addressed you in the first place. You may think you are right just because of the skewed schedules and Apple silence. A business as large and complicated as Apple's is extremely dynamic and timing can change for the greater good. The correlation of stock price at the moment, most would agree is not representative of Apple. For that, you think you are right. What is your basis for anything you say--, a technical analysis or chart ? Please !!!
It is true that many arguments over Apple come about from differing perspectives of a short term view versus the long term usually strategic view. The short termer tends to attempt to time the stock, thinks they are right based on near-term movements and relys more on sentiment, technicals and hearsay. The long termer tends to really study the stock or know the area of expertise, have a more in-depth view toward technological impact, strategic positioning, product path, price elasticity, product cycle management, and marketing attributes not relying on just technicals, charting, and fickle sentiment. History has shown that the long term view prevails when it comes to Apple and that timing it is dangerous and leaves many in the dust once it breaks negative sentiment. To each his own and lessons learned. To believe that Apple is all washed up practically overnight from being the number 1 Company in the world is shear shortsightedness. This is what current sentiment suggests. A longer view realizes there can be bumps in the road and looks to see if the mission will still be accomplished.
On this point we somewhat agree that there is a risk of overall market adjustment due to such a runup but keep in mind that AAPL plays by a different tune and has not been apart of this runup so that AAPL can still play catchup even if the overall market takes a hit. With any good news from Apple, it becomes a safe haven.
Wow, do you have your knickers in a knot. There's a difference in reality and what wallstreet does in the short term. To say I'm wrong is wrong in itself. Where were you 12 years ago on Apple. This is not my first rodeo on this stock. This pattern has happened multiple times when wallstreet sets up negativity and sentiment rules despite reality. Does that make you right. Absolutely not. You simply followed the herd mentality of negative sentiment without regard to the product and technological strategic issues that will overcome long term. Sure playing sentiment short term can be to your short term advantage. Sorry to disappoint you but I am in great position. I still say you are wrong and if you made what I made you would humble yourself. A highly volatile stock like AAPL can go either way and turn on a dime based solely on a few reports based solely on manipulated sentiment. That would not make you right. I heard guys like you give your bearish advice for years. I guess that's what makes stock movements but that doesn't mean you are right as the herd runs amuck. It will take a new innovation to hit new highs to counter the damage done by manipulated sentiment but watch the tide turn. To believe otherwise is just plain foolish on your part.
Few would argue how undervalued Apple is today and timing is difficult when the worldwide media has waged such a pessimistic attack on Apple which is demonstrating herd mentality if I've ever seen it. In the short term, the powers that be that control the money can wage such warfare to see-saw the stock price and position themselves. But watch what happens when everyone starts buying back in. In the long term, the Company performance will prevail. Any positive at all will jump the stock whose price is dangerously elastic right now based on fragile minds. Imagine that Apple announces and starts delivering a new innovation/category tomorrow. How will you stackup then. Things can turn on a dime. It doesn't make you right by far. Timing for new product categories can get shifted and it is only that shifting of when new products/new innovations get announced that really controls the huge spikes upward in the face of such negativity based on fear. The silence of Apple and patience in delivering the next category has allowed the media's fear blitz to feed on itself which is the only reason the price is at where it's at. As soon as those fears are displaced, you will see the price elasticity in action. So yes, the timing can be skewed but no one and not you either knew the extent of the barrage of negativity and fear and change in fragile sentiment that comes from lack of real understanding and knowledge of Apple. Ask yourself, how soon before the money moguls say start your engines and buy in big time to catch the next wave.They have weeded out just about every Apple holder most likely and then the game cycle begins again. Seen it many times and that's how they do it. I have increased my ownership for the record.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
I would also add that it was more of a self-fullfilling phrophecy in light of a continual smear campaign against Apple without any answer from Apple or new catalysts that snowballed the fear in retail investors and fund managers. Fear took over and not clear heads on the big picture. It isn't real and it's just to shake out investors to establish new low positions. If Apple had addressed the fears or timed its innovations better, it would not of been allowed to self-fulfill and allow the price drop. But as Tim Cook reiterated, it's not Apple's job to chase after stock prices in the moment but instead to deliver great products. The rest will follow.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
We heard again from TC, they will not sacrifice quality for short term gains like a bigger screen if the technology is not supportive and requires substandard tradeoffs. I cannot see Android winning long term. It is fragmented and no one of the many hardware manufacturers can completely control their destiny based on Android. It will become more and more like a can of worms like Microsoft Windows. Apple's control of its own evolving OS and Ecosystem is greatly underestimated and is probably its greatest asset. To me, the last 6 months is mostly manipulated fear and just a bump in the road when you consider the last 12 years and the long run yet ahead. You don't want to be caught without APPL if you can help it. If it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't real. I myself these days like to mostly hold, and trade some small relative shares on top of the holdings to catch the swing action.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Keep looking in the mirror and telling yourself this. I guess it helps.
Please tell me more about Apple insights besides sentiment, charts, and your proclaimed fundamentals.
No, the fact is that I have specialized on Apple for many years and much insight beyond that for which I won't elaborate but it has allowed me to consistently with patience guide properly and accurately over the long term horizon to the tune of making more than you can imagine for yourself. Don't believe me, I don't care. I will continue to do so. I doubt you have the same track record based on your charts. I don't discount technicals but they are just added information. Nothing will beat having insight to the product and marketing strategies on a long-term basis. Not even market sentiment, or manipulation will work as long as ultimately the Company performs. We saw this end of 2011 when everyone capitulated and jumped in springboarding the stock about 200 points. But keep focusing on the short term and see where it gets you.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
And that's your problem. You are mainly a shortest. The negative sentiment was self fulfilling in the wake of silence. It isn't real--get it ! Apple beat for the most part. There are new categories coming. It's the same pattern from experience. You don't seem to know the Company or real important insights but simply superficialalities. That's why I corrected you in the first place when you started attacking everyone's ideas. Without the falseness of it all, the stock may have just as well reached $950 before August. Again, I didn't claim that. I supported and still do more than ever the long-term picture for Apple and where its price is headed. You are just self-focused on trying to convince everyone you are right. About what, a short term movement based on false sentiment and price manipulation. That does not show any insight into Apple, the product impacts, the rollouts, the management or really anything of substance other than rumor, sentiment, and charts. Teenagers tend to think they have all the answers and know everything there is to know in life until they get older and more mature. They discount the wisdom that comes from experience. It's not until later that they realize that they really didn't know so much. Keep focusing on shouting that you think you are right and trying to convince everyone of that following this author around almost a year later. Yippee ! No one cares. Many of us are looking for the next wave. If by chance the stock hits $950 in September (unlikely without a new innovation timewise) will you declare you are right. If I flip a coin and you call heads and it comes up heads, will you stand up and say look at me, look at me !! End of Story.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Financially, I like what Apple did meaning they slightly raised the dividend (I wish it was a bit more but a great yield) , the buyback plan is fantastic which should allay fears with much more to come down the pike and shows management confidence while reducing share dilution, and then borrowing funds favorably in the U.S. while not repatriating 70% of Apple's cash just to pay taxes.
Everything I see does lay down a solid foundation for the future yet to be realized. That foundation has been building for quite some time with the various data center buildouts, retail store buildouts worldwide, enterprise penetration, patent portfolio, and ecosystem continual expansion. So I think Apple will run away with it all again providing their next real innovations are done correctly. TC does seem to say the right things about carrying on Apple culture, not catering to wallstreet bears to support pricing but to keep delivering quality and consumer enriched products and so forth.
I gather that 2014 will be a great year from what we heard today with a build up between now and then. As I often said, Apple is not sitting back on their laurels but they silently and patiently are readying the next categories. To think otherwise doesn't make sense even though the stock has been priced that way. The summer quarter is another delaying bottleneck but I hope we get a few catalysts along the way before fall. In any case the trendline should be upward but of course we will still hear some bearish talk trying to pull the stock price down. That increase in buybacks is huge though. The impact of that alone still remains to be realized in the price. The Longs have been richly rewarded in the past and have made out the best with AAPL. You have to survive the tougher periods however like we experienced the last 6 months. No Company is in as good a position as Apple in these times and so I try to keep that in mind the same as I did back in the 2009 subprime days when everything crashed and also back in the days between iPods and iPhone. Good Luck To You and patience is golden.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Really ? Did you fail to get all aboard ? I tried to warn you. I warned you the negativity wasn't all real and was overdone. I guess you'll try to jump in now ? That's why the 12 years is important. This has happened repeatedly. Yes, we have a tough quarter ahead but I think the fears have been much set aside now. I now expect an upward trend. The timeline is skewed as I mentioned before. Apple hasn't released the next big thing--YET. That's how you can get to a $950. It can't happen otherwise. But I believe it's coming as Cook says. Many Longs (and you know I'm one of them) are sitting on one of the best dividends in the world plus future high potential for growth unless you want to call Tim Cook a liar. You wanting to be right just makes you more wrong.
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]
Apple Price Target: $950 Per Share [View article]