jdl51's Comments jdl51's Comments RSS Syndication from SeekingAlpha.com http://seekingalpha.comuser/234132/comments Is the Dollar Too Big to Fail? http://seekingalpha.com/article/178897-is-the-dollar-too-big-to-fail?source=feed#comment-813478 813478

On Dec 19 08:52 AM Dave Lewenz wrote:

> By 2011 the dollar will be revalued by the Treasury unable to service
> the debt as interest rates hit ten percent. How much of a hair cut,
> My guess is 50 cents. The treasury is printing 200 billion a month,
> with tax revenues projected to be down by 35% this year that means
> the feds got print up 4 trillion dollars! Just in 2010! Total debt
> by 2011 20 trillion, who you going to call?? Debt busters]]>
Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:42:44 -0500

On Dec 19 08:52 AM Dave Lewenz wrote:

> By 2011 the dollar will be revalued by the Treasury unable to service
> the debt as interest rates hit ten percent. How much of a hair cut,
> My guess is 50 cents. The treasury is printing 200 billion a month,
> with tax revenues projected to be down by 35% this year that means
> the feds got print up 4 trillion dollars! Just in 2010! Total debt
> by 2011 20 trillion, who you going to call?? Debt busters]]>
Why I Would Not Bet on iPhone over Android http://seekingalpha.com/article/178291-why-i-would-not-bet-on-iphone-over-android?source=feed#comment-808037 808037
Might want to check Android apps, seeing as that's the OS.]]>
Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:44:30 -0500
Might want to check Android apps, seeing as that's the OS.]]>
Consumer-Driven Deflation? Not Even Close http://seekingalpha.com/article/175885-consumer-driven-deflation-not-even-close?source=feed#comment-786468 786468
Okay. So Obama and company are the culprits, eh? Apparently you can't keep your politics out of your opinion. When's the last time the markets were hanging on the M1, M2 etc numbers instead of the PPI and CPI? Never. This has been going on since I've been following markets which is around 40 years now. If the CPI isn't the standard for gauging inflation worldwide then everyone's been doing it wrong for decades, not just the present administration. I guess you're saying that if prices go down while the money supply is increasing, we're experiencing inflation. I think most, if not all, economists would disagree with that premise. If you were to say an increasing money supply would be a precursor to higher inflation or might lead to higher inflation, you might have better luck.]]>
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:17:44 -0500
Okay. So Obama and company are the culprits, eh? Apparently you can't keep your politics out of your opinion. When's the last time the markets were hanging on the M1, M2 etc numbers instead of the PPI and CPI? Never. This has been going on since I've been following markets which is around 40 years now. If the CPI isn't the standard for gauging inflation worldwide then everyone's been doing it wrong for decades, not just the present administration. I guess you're saying that if prices go down while the money supply is increasing, we're experiencing inflation. I think most, if not all, economists would disagree with that premise. If you were to say an increasing money supply would be a precursor to higher inflation or might lead to higher inflation, you might have better luck.]]>
Another Crisis Looms Right Around the Corner http://seekingalpha.com/article/175060-another-crisis-looms-right-around-the-corner?source=feed#comment-777133 777133 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:51:20 -0500 Show Me Economic Expansion, Chairman Bernanke http://seekingalpha.com/article/174634-show-me-economic-expansion-chairman-bernanke?source=feed#comment-772201 772201
30 year fixed rate is based off 10 year treasury bills, currently around 3.4%, not the Fed funds rate. ]]>
Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:55:25 -0500
30 year fixed rate is based off 10 year treasury bills, currently around 3.4%, not the Fed funds rate. ]]>
Show Me Economic Expansion, Chairman Bernanke http://seekingalpha.com/article/174634-show-me-economic-expansion-chairman-bernanke?source=feed#comment-772188 772188 of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people
of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

Another totally bogus quote from TJ. The old Fox method of getting your point across, repeat some lie enough times and the ignorant will take it as the truth.
www.snopes.com/quotes/...


On Nov 22 08:27 AM Rosco1776 wrote:

> The light at the end of the tunnel is only flashlights trying to
> find their way through the darkness. End the fed and get back to
> sound economic policy like our founders suggested and set up for
> us. We are a long way off the path and it's going to be a rough road
> back but if we don't get back on track soon there will be no return
> without drastic measures. Let's not let it get so bad that we need
> another revolution!
>
> "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue
> of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
> corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people
> of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent
> their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson]]>
Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:51:21 -0500 of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people
of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

Another totally bogus quote from TJ. The old Fox method of getting your point across, repeat some lie enough times and the ignorant will take it as the truth.
www.snopes.com/quotes/...


On Nov 22 08:27 AM Rosco1776 wrote:

> The light at the end of the tunnel is only flashlights trying to
> find their way through the darkness. End the fed and get back to
> sound economic policy like our founders suggested and set up for
> us. We are a long way off the path and it's going to be a rough road
> back but if we don't get back on track soon there will be no return
> without drastic measures. Let's not let it get so bad that we need
> another revolution!
>
> "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue
> of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
> corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people
> of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent
> their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson]]>
Whitney Gets Bearish: Will She Be Right Again? http://seekingalpha.com/article/173921-whitney-gets-bearish-will-she-be-right-again?source=feed#comment-766011 766011

Some 94 percent of S&P 500 companies have reported to date, and 80 percent of those have beaten earnings expectations, which would be the highest percentage of companies beating estimates for a quarter since Thomson Reuters began tracking the data in 1994.

If I wait until hyperinflation, economic financial collapse, or whatever the doomsday scenario is these days, I'd have lost a terrific opportunity to make a lot of money. It appears that most of the doom and gloomers base their financial opinions on their political beliefs, that it's impossible for the economy to improve under the current administration. That thinking clouds their judgment, in other words, a big tree is blocking their view. ]]>
Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:03:43 -0500

Some 94 percent of S&P 500 companies have reported to date, and 80 percent of those have beaten earnings expectations, which would be the highest percentage of companies beating estimates for a quarter since Thomson Reuters began tracking the data in 1994.

If I wait until hyperinflation, economic financial collapse, or whatever the doomsday scenario is these days, I'd have lost a terrific opportunity to make a lot of money. It appears that most of the doom and gloomers base their financial opinions on their political beliefs, that it's impossible for the economy to improve under the current administration. That thinking clouds their judgment, in other words, a big tree is blocking their view. ]]>
Whitney Gets Bearish: Will She Be Right Again? http://seekingalpha.com/article/173921-whitney-gets-bearish-will-she-be-right-again?source=feed#comment-765255 765255 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:35:33 -0500 Meredith Whitney: 'I Haven't Been This Bearish in a Year' http://seekingalpha.com/article/173684-meredith-whitney-i-haven-t-been-this-bearish-in-a-year?source=feed#comment-764194 764194 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:50:45 -0500 Meredith Whitney: 'I Haven't Been This Bearish in a Year' http://seekingalpha.com/article/173684-meredith-whitney-i-haven-t-been-this-bearish-in-a-year?source=feed#comment-764157 764157 GS) tomorrow morning, in 2010 and in 2011. She is well above the street on Goldman. She even uses the word ‘cheap’ when referring to the stock. Is Meredith Whitney a bull now? Have a listen – she also talks about other names and sees Bank of America (BAC) as the one to watch."

That was the middle of July when she thought GS was cheap. Only $25 a share later she's ready to throw it under the bus. Same goes for BAC. She missed the big runup after March where she continually said financials would take years to recover, then tried to get on board in July after she got burned and now is trying to get in front of any possible correction so she can say I told you so. What exactly has changed in the past seven months to have her jumping from one extreme to the other and then back again? She's just trying to cover her as..... I expect if nothing dramatic happens in the next few weeks and bank earnings jump again in the 4th qtr, she'll be out with another bullish pronouncement. Make up your mind, woman.]]>
Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:24:54 -0500 GS) tomorrow morning, in 2010 and in 2011. She is well above the street on Goldman. She even uses the word ‘cheap’ when referring to the stock. Is Meredith Whitney a bull now? Have a listen – she also talks about other names and sees Bank of America (BAC) as the one to watch."

That was the middle of July when she thought GS was cheap. Only $25 a share later she's ready to throw it under the bus. Same goes for BAC. She missed the big runup after March where she continually said financials would take years to recover, then tried to get on board in July after she got burned and now is trying to get in front of any possible correction so she can say I told you so. What exactly has changed in the past seven months to have her jumping from one extreme to the other and then back again? She's just trying to cover her as..... I expect if nothing dramatic happens in the next few weeks and bank earnings jump again in the 4th qtr, she'll be out with another bullish pronouncement. Make up your mind, woman.]]>
Do We Goldbugs Finally Have Your Attention? http://seekingalpha.com/article/173065-do-we-goldbugs-finally-have-your-attention?source=feed#comment-758487 758487 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:34:50 -0500 And Bernanke Didn't Think Unemployment Would Reach 10% http://seekingalpha.com/article/172045-and-bernanke-didn-t-think-unemployment-would-reach-10?source=feed#comment-750723 750723 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:23:31 -0500 Earnings Season: The Car Is Shiny, But Look Under the Hood http://seekingalpha.com/article/170851-earnings-season-the-car-is-shiny-but-look-under-the-hood?source=feed#comment-744348 744348 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:03:45 -0500 Property Values Set to Fall 43% from Current Depressed Levels http://seekingalpha.com/article/170526-property-values-set-to-fall-43-from-current-depressed-levels?source=feed#comment-742342 742342 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:02:16 -0500 Oil: Supply and Demand? Hardly! http://seekingalpha.com/article/170154-oil-supply-and-demand-hardly?source=feed#comment-738424 738424 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:07 -0400 A Cautious Look at Where Markets Are Headed http://seekingalpha.com/article/169810-a-cautious-look-at-where-markets-are-headed?source=feed#comment-737086 737086 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:40:32 -0400 Where's the Outrage at the Banks? http://seekingalpha.com/article/168614-where-s-the-outrage-at-the-banks?source=feed#comment-729935 729935
Let' be fair and tell the truth here. The CRA was implemented to stop banks from redlining neighborhoods that they were taking deposits from but refused to lend to. The banks were never "forced" to lend to anyone but were required to lend to qualified borrowers in neighborhoods that they serviced. The banking fiasco had its roots in irresponsible lending to just about everyone, not poor unemployed ghetto folks. If that were the case, we would not be having foreclosures in every neighborhood in the country, but would be limited to a few homes in the poorest neighborhoods that the right constantly tries to blame for the collapse of the whole financial system. You'd have to be an idiot or completely ignorant of how the system works to believe that. Banks went on a lending binge to anyone that walked in the door regardless of qualifications because they were more interested in making fees, securitizing the loans, passing them on to investment bankers who with the collusion of the rating agencies, sold them to an unsuspecting world and then the cycle repeated itself until it collapsed. And to multiply the problem, investment banks sold insurance policies, but they couldn't call them insurance policies because those are regulated so they called them credit default swaps. They sold them to anyone who wanted one, again to collect the fees on something they never thought they would have to pay off. Unfortunately the whole house of cards collapsed. The previous administration didn't believe in regulation and looked the other way while all this was going on instead of jumping in and putting a halt to it or at least try to regulate the derivatives industry which would have lessened the losses considerably. If you want to blame someone, blame the mortgage brokers that sold these subprime loans to people they knew wouldn't be able to pay, the appraisers that juiced their numbers, the regulators who were asleep at the switch and the ratings agencies that didn't bother to do their due diligence and check the underlying mortgages. Any link in that mortgage chain would have put a stop to the whole mess, yet all of them were too greedy to do their job responsibly.]]>
Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:38:44 -0400
Let' be fair and tell the truth here. The CRA was implemented to stop banks from redlining neighborhoods that they were taking deposits from but refused to lend to. The banks were never "forced" to lend to anyone but were required to lend to qualified borrowers in neighborhoods that they serviced. The banking fiasco had its roots in irresponsible lending to just about everyone, not poor unemployed ghetto folks. If that were the case, we would not be having foreclosures in every neighborhood in the country, but would be limited to a few homes in the poorest neighborhoods that the right constantly tries to blame for the collapse of the whole financial system. You'd have to be an idiot or completely ignorant of how the system works to believe that. Banks went on a lending binge to anyone that walked in the door regardless of qualifications because they were more interested in making fees, securitizing the loans, passing them on to investment bankers who with the collusion of the rating agencies, sold them to an unsuspecting world and then the cycle repeated itself until it collapsed. And to multiply the problem, investment banks sold insurance policies, but they couldn't call them insurance policies because those are regulated so they called them credit default swaps. They sold them to anyone who wanted one, again to collect the fees on something they never thought they would have to pay off. Unfortunately the whole house of cards collapsed. The previous administration didn't believe in regulation and looked the other way while all this was going on instead of jumping in and putting a halt to it or at least try to regulate the derivatives industry which would have lessened the losses considerably. If you want to blame someone, blame the mortgage brokers that sold these subprime loans to people they knew wouldn't be able to pay, the appraisers that juiced their numbers, the regulators who were asleep at the switch and the ratings agencies that didn't bother to do their due diligence and check the underlying mortgages. Any link in that mortgage chain would have put a stop to the whole mess, yet all of them were too greedy to do their job responsibly.]]>
Looking Back at Fiscal 2009 http://seekingalpha.com/article/165923-looking-back-at-fiscal-2009?source=feed#comment-713085 713085
Bush's 2009-2010 budget that he proposed, before Congress even looked at it, had a $1.2 trillion deficit, not including Iraq and Afghanistan, which he never included in his budgets since the wars started. So before Democrats touched it, he projected a $1.2 trillion/$1.4 trillion for this coming fiscal year which started a couple of weeks ago. Bush ran up close to $7 trillion in debt. Started at around $5 trillion and ended up close to $12 trillion, much of that when republicans had complete control of Congress. Of course, republicans have been saying for the past 30 years that deficits don't matter, except when a democrat is in charge. No one gave the dems credit when they fixed the budget mess left behind by Reagan and Bush I. They'll have to fix it again because the republicans are incapable of ever balancing a budget.]]>
Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:19 -0400
Bush's 2009-2010 budget that he proposed, before Congress even looked at it, had a $1.2 trillion deficit, not including Iraq and Afghanistan, which he never included in his budgets since the wars started. So before Democrats touched it, he projected a $1.2 trillion/$1.4 trillion for this coming fiscal year which started a couple of weeks ago. Bush ran up close to $7 trillion in debt. Started at around $5 trillion and ended up close to $12 trillion, much of that when republicans had complete control of Congress. Of course, republicans have been saying for the past 30 years that deficits don't matter, except when a democrat is in charge. No one gave the dems credit when they fixed the budget mess left behind by Reagan and Bush I. They'll have to fix it again because the republicans are incapable of ever balancing a budget.]]>
Looking Back at Fiscal 2009 http://seekingalpha.com/article/165923-looking-back-at-fiscal-2009?source=feed#comment-712987 712987 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:52:23 -0400 Bank Earnings: Reality Check Ahead http://seekingalpha.com/article/165849-bank-earnings-reality-check-ahead?source=feed#comment-712639 712639 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:18:57 -0400 Marc Faber: Equities Safer than Dollars http://seekingalpha.com/article/163919-marc-faber-equities-safer-than-dollars?source=feed#comment-697109 697109
I think you misplaced the decimal here. A year ago during the meltdown, financial derivatives were around $60 trillion and some of that has been wound down. Next month, the
last Bush budget will expire. So aside from the stimulus spending this year, somewhere around $100 billion, all of the deficits accumulated since 1980, around $11 trillion, are from the last three republican presidents. The borrow and spend policies of the last three decades has nearly destroyed our economy, and may yet destroy our economy. So much for deficits don't matter.

On Sep 29 07:08 PM twitee wrote:

> For those less inclined to Scripture, we can readily turn to mathematics
> and to our instructive friend, the parabola, for clues about what
> lies ahead. Simply stated, parabolic growth rates herald major changes
> just ahead in virtually any arena of life, and the parabolic increases
> in the Federal Reserve’s creation of dollars will prove to be no
> exception.
>
> The accumulated official US Public Debt of $11.3 Trillion at May
> 2009 has grown by over $2.1 Trillion in the past twelve months alone,
> with multi-trillions more ahead and no end in sight. The immediate
> future suggests massive additional bailouts for commercial real estate,
> credit card debt portfolios and insurance companies - plus the bubbling
> up of a Witches’ Brew from hundreds of trillions of toxic OTC derivatives
> now in jeopardy - as the next major dominoes likely to fall. The
> usdebtclock.org website provides the following:
>
> US Public Debt $11.317 Trillion
> US Government Bailouts $11.650 Trillion
> Estimated Currency and Financial Derivatives $642.184 Trillion <br/>
>
>
> Note: In March 2006 the Federal Reserve discontinued its separate
> publishing of the critical M3 money supply data, and so we are left
> to the estimate the parabolic increases in the printing of money
> within the larger ‘Estimated Currency and Financial Derivatives’
> data.
>
> At some point in the near future, the market may finally acknowledge
> that the boasted about US Dollar, the Emperor, is no longer wearing
> any clothes. And for both Wall Street and the average American alike,
> the Buck may stop here...be prepared for the inevitable rise of Gold,
> Equities and any Hard asset in a long run....in a short term we are
> in the war with deflation....]]>
Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:57:02 -0400
I think you misplaced the decimal here. A year ago during the meltdown, financial derivatives were around $60 trillion and some of that has been wound down. Next month, the
last Bush budget will expire. So aside from the stimulus spending this year, somewhere around $100 billion, all of the deficits accumulated since 1980, around $11 trillion, are from the last three republican presidents. The borrow and spend policies of the last three decades has nearly destroyed our economy, and may yet destroy our economy. So much for deficits don't matter.

On Sep 29 07:08 PM twitee wrote:

> For those less inclined to Scripture, we can readily turn to mathematics
> and to our instructive friend, the parabola, for clues about what
> lies ahead. Simply stated, parabolic growth rates herald major changes
> just ahead in virtually any arena of life, and the parabolic increases
> in the Federal Reserve’s creation of dollars will prove to be no
> exception.
>
> The accumulated official US Public Debt of $11.3 Trillion at May
> 2009 has grown by over $2.1 Trillion in the past twelve months alone,
> with multi-trillions more ahead and no end in sight. The immediate
> future suggests massive additional bailouts for commercial real estate,
> credit card debt portfolios and insurance companies - plus the bubbling
> up of a Witches’ Brew from hundreds of trillions of toxic OTC derivatives
> now in jeopardy - as the next major dominoes likely to fall. The
> usdebtclock.org website provides the following:
>
> US Public Debt $11.317 Trillion
> US Government Bailouts $11.650 Trillion
> Estimated Currency and Financial Derivatives $642.184 Trillion <br/>
>
>
> Note: In March 2006 the Federal Reserve discontinued its separate
> publishing of the critical M3 money supply data, and so we are left
> to the estimate the parabolic increases in the printing of money
> within the larger ‘Estimated Currency and Financial Derivatives’
> data.
>
> At some point in the near future, the market may finally acknowledge
> that the boasted about US Dollar, the Emperor, is no longer wearing
> any clothes. And for both Wall Street and the average American alike,
> the Buck may stop here...be prepared for the inevitable rise of Gold,
> Equities and any Hard asset in a long run....in a short term we are
> in the war with deflation....]]>
Should You Invest in Banking Stocks? http://seekingalpha.com/article/163767-should-you-invest-in-banking-stocks?source=feed#comment-695475 695475 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:47:05 -0400 Some Scary Implications of U.S. Debt http://seekingalpha.com/article/162185-some-scary-implications-of-u-s-debt?source=feed#comment-692639 692639 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:52:57 -0400 Defending the 'Most Dangerous ETFs': A Response to Don Dion http://seekingalpha.com/article/163431-defending-the-most-dangerous-etfs-a-response-to-don-dion?source=feed#comment-692625 692625 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:43:54 -0400 Some Scary Implications of U.S. Debt http://seekingalpha.com/article/162185-some-scary-implications-of-u-s-debt?source=feed#comment-692445 692445 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:52:49 -0400 Why the U.S. Dollar Drop Might Be Significant http://seekingalpha.com/article/160400-why-the-u-s-dollar-drop-might-be-significant?source=feed#comment-667827 667827 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:53:11 -0400 Is a Crash Impending? http://seekingalpha.com/article/159200-is-a-crash-impending?source=feed#comment-663149 663149
And then you can add 1987 and 2008. Anyone see a pattern here? They all happened under republican administrations. Since 1981 three republican administrations have added over $11 trillion to our national debt, with an average of $750 billion a year with the last administration. We're still operating under Bush's final budget until next month with over a trillion deficit and his proposed budget that he submitted in January of this year for FY 2009/2010 had a $1.2 trillion deficit. These are the facts and they are not in dispute so don't give me a thumbs down because you don't like hearing the truth. This economy was driven into the ground with the world's financial system teetering on the brink of total collapse, yet it seems the majority of posters on Seeking Alpha had the delusional expectation that the new administration would have fixed everything by now and have positive growth rates and growing employment in their first few months in office. It took Clinton six years to bring our budget into balance from a much less precarious situation. It will take much longer to dig ourselves out of the huge hole that we now find ourselves in, especially given the non cooperation and obstructionism from the party that put us there.]]>
Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:02:08 -0400
And then you can add 1987 and 2008. Anyone see a pattern here? They all happened under republican administrations. Since 1981 three republican administrations have added over $11 trillion to our national debt, with an average of $750 billion a year with the last administration. We're still operating under Bush's final budget until next month with over a trillion deficit and his proposed budget that he submitted in January of this year for FY 2009/2010 had a $1.2 trillion deficit. These are the facts and they are not in dispute so don't give me a thumbs down because you don't like hearing the truth. This economy was driven into the ground with the world's financial system teetering on the brink of total collapse, yet it seems the majority of posters on Seeking Alpha had the delusional expectation that the new administration would have fixed everything by now and have positive growth rates and growing employment in their first few months in office. It took Clinton six years to bring our budget into balance from a much less precarious situation. It will take much longer to dig ourselves out of the huge hole that we now find ourselves in, especially given the non cooperation and obstructionism from the party that put us there.]]>
The Non-Stimulating Stimulus Bill http://seekingalpha.com/article/159355-the-non-stimulating-stimulus-bill?source=feed#comment-659060 659060
The U.S. economy is beginning to show signs of improvement, with many economists asserting the worst is past and data pointing to stronger-than-expected growth. On Tuesday, data showed manufacturing grew in August for the first time in more than a year. "There's a method to the madness. We're getting out of this," said Brian Bethune, chief U.S. financial economist at IHS Global Insight.

Much of the stimulus spending is just beginning to trickle through the economy, with spending expected to peak sometime later this year or in early 2010. The government has funneled about $60 billion of the $288 billion in promised tax cuts to U.S. households, while about $84 billion of the $499 billion in spending has been paid. About $200 billion has been promised to certain projects, such as infrastructure and energy projects.


Bloomberg News

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner speaks last month at the construction site of a new elementary school in Berea, Ohio.
Economists say the money out the door -- combined with the expectation of additional funds flowing soon -- is fueling growth above where it would have been without any government action.

Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter -- something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago. Some economists say the 1% contraction in the second quarter would have been far worse, possibly as much as 3.2%, if not for the stimulus.

For the third quarter, economists at Goldman Sachs & Co. predict the U.S. economy will grow by 3.3%. "Without that extra stimulus, we would be somewhere around zero," said Jan Hatzius, chief U.S. economist for Goldman.
]]>
Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:49:24 -0400
The U.S. economy is beginning to show signs of improvement, with many economists asserting the worst is past and data pointing to stronger-than-expected growth. On Tuesday, data showed manufacturing grew in August for the first time in more than a year. "There's a method to the madness. We're getting out of this," said Brian Bethune, chief U.S. financial economist at IHS Global Insight.

Much of the stimulus spending is just beginning to trickle through the economy, with spending expected to peak sometime later this year or in early 2010. The government has funneled about $60 billion of the $288 billion in promised tax cuts to U.S. households, while about $84 billion of the $499 billion in spending has been paid. About $200 billion has been promised to certain projects, such as infrastructure and energy projects.


Bloomberg News

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner speaks last month at the construction site of a new elementary school in Berea, Ohio.
Economists say the money out the door -- combined with the expectation of additional funds flowing soon -- is fueling growth above where it would have been without any government action.

Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter -- something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago. Some economists say the 1% contraction in the second quarter would have been far worse, possibly as much as 3.2%, if not for the stimulus.

For the third quarter, economists at Goldman Sachs & Co. predict the U.S. economy will grow by 3.3%. "Without that extra stimulus, we would be somewhere around zero," said Jan Hatzius, chief U.S. economist for Goldman.
]]>
The Non-Stimulating Stimulus Bill http://seekingalpha.com/article/159355-the-non-stimulating-stimulus-bill?source=feed#comment-658432 658432 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:10:00 -0400 What's Plausible for the Fiscal Outlook? http://seekingalpha.com/article/159046-what-s-plausible-for-the-fiscal-outlook?source=feed#comment-654636 654636

On Aug 31 10:11 AM crazyv wrote:

> "therefore Obama Administration tax policy is not that different
> from where we’d end up if we extended all of the Bush tax cuts (as
> Senator McCain had wanted to do had he become president) ($11.3 trillion)."
>
>
> The difference is equal to the cost of providing universal health
> insurance! When a trillion dollars is "not that different" in eyes
> of the author - I stopped reading.]]>
Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:09:41 -0400

On Aug 31 10:11 AM crazyv wrote:

> "therefore Obama Administration tax policy is not that different
> from where we’d end up if we extended all of the Bush tax cuts (as
> Senator McCain had wanted to do had he become president) ($11.3 trillion)."
>
>
> The difference is equal to the cost of providing universal health
> insurance! When a trillion dollars is "not that different" in eyes
> of the author - I stopped reading.]]>