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just one more thing . . . IMPORTANT!! The following is copied from the SiriusBuzz website. Please go there to listen to the Hartleib conversation plus the live interview on Thursday where he will take questions!!
"If you have not listened yet, there is a special edition of SiriusBuzz Radio available. Simply click on the link in the sidebar of the main site. This edition featured a conversation with Michael hartleib. If listeners have questions for Mr. Hartleib, they can post them here. Also tune in this Thursday when Mr. Hartleib will take callers questions." __________________ Tyler Savery Satellite Standard Founder
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sl62 ..
not familiar with the NBA problem . . . will have to research that.
cos . .
I respect your patient temperamant . . the dissenting viewpoints are essential to a good decision . . . lets keep the think tank rolling . . . I have some ideas I will put forward in a later post.
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sl62 . . .
As I understand it . . . the Tyler/Brandon articles are first published at the SiriusBuzz website, which is where I usually read them. I am assuming that is the originating source. Sometime thereafter, the articles are picked-up by Seeking Alpha and republished here. Maybe I am wrong about that (someone help clarify).
What happens if SiriusBuzz goes down and thus no new Tyler/Brandon articles are originated at the SiriusBuzz website? Also, Seeking Alpha has a policy of not printing articles on stocks trading at less than $1.00 which they have not yet enforced . . .
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Does anyone have a suggestion as to where we should convene future forums in the event the SiriusBuzz website (which is where these articles originate) shuts down??
We should decide this quickly and agree to retain our same identities if possible.
If something happens to the SiriusBuzz site before we reach concensus on where to meet please contact Michael Hartleib at: SAVESIRIUS@GMAIL.COM for directions to an alternate forum (I do not know Mr. Hartleib personally; Since he is willing to place his email address in a public venue, I assume he would assist us in the event of a problem with the SiriusBuzz site).
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ok, hold on guys . . . lets pull together if we can; there is enough common ground for everyone.
cos, one of the backroom discussions that always took place in meetings in which I was involved, where real change was being sought, was . . . "if we push through this change, what is the risk that we end up in a worse place than we are now?" It is a very valid question. Many people prefer to stick with the "enemy they know" for the predictability.
The second part of that question then becomes "if not Mel, then who?" An equally difficult challenge . . . many of these issues are better discussed in a private forum . . . I plan to at least open a dialogue with Hartleib and evaluate where his agenda is . . . it may not be the same as ours but we might be able to piggy-back off his efforts and at least have a pivot point for some kind of coordinated movement.
My fear now is that doing nothing is a worse risk . . .
we waited to hear good news from Mel after the merger . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel after the appeal deadline expired . . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel at the Merrill Lynch conference . . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel after Labor Day . . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel at the post "lottery ticket" Cramer appearance . . . .
then we waited to hear from some VP at a Deutshe Bank Conference in Arizona (still haven't heard anything about that one) . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel on October 5 . . .
now we're waiting for the Q-3 report
we've waited, and waited, and waited all the way down to $0.40
what is the downside here . . . we wait and lose the remaining 10-15% of our original investment?
cos, I am not seeking a leadership role for myself in all of this . . . I am hoping rather through my comments to inspire others to empower themselves to challenge the failed status quo, to start researching options for a new direction and to contribute suggestions aimed at preserving shareholder value.
We agree the product is good. We agree the subscription business model is good. Can we agree that execution of the business plan has not been good and can we agree that handling of the debt has not been good? There have been many "outside-the-box" suggestions put forward in this forum that deserve management's consideration.
Our best hope may be a loose alliance with Hartleib . . . . if we have common ground. He seems to have the energy and the stomach for what may lie ahead.
In the end . . . we will all hope this is much a'do about nothing and that the company performs and Mel executes the business plan . . . if not, it is worth being prepared for a fight.
I again urge everyone to write management, vote your shares and attend the Board meeting. If the content is appropriate for publication, I will recap my conversation with Hartleib at an appropriate time. All else are invited to call Hartleib themselves. His phone # and email address are posted way up above somewhere . . .
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cos . . . I can only observe that management has not executed on the business plan, has been duplicitous in their actions, noncommunicative and does not deserve a vote of confidence. I am not advocating that anyone sell their shares . . . only to hold on to their shares and to vote their own interests as they see fit and to demand transparency, accountability and performance which has thus far been nonexistent. It is not me that called you "unsophisticated" cos.
Management has failed to execute and it is my own opinion that a change is needed . . . . it may not be any better in "filling your pockets" but it certainly can do no worse than the current regime has in emptying them. . . . readers are free to follow whatever course they choose, including the "cos manuscript for filling shareholders pockets" if they so desire; it is a free country. No one should be told to "rethink why they are here" cos. It is not for you to decide. If you are a leigitimate "long" like relmor or sl62 you are undermining your own credibility with comments like that. This site is an idea filter . . . you are free to refute every single negative remark made about management by me or anyone else. Simply do so.
If you genuinely find my comments troubling . . . do not concern yourself with me cos. I have heard that line from you before. You are free to denounce me as a heretic or an NAB mole, ignore me, ridicule me as you have in the past because that is your proven schtick . . . . right out of the same old playbook . . . or you can try the old shout-down/intimidatio... method that you are so fond of.
It will say more about you than it will about me. I do not have to be vetted by you to offer an opinion. Let the readers here judge the motives for themselves.
It wasn't too long ago cos that you also accused "me" of being "The Vicar of Value;" you were pretty cock-sure of yourself on that one too, same as you are today about "Serious Employee." I have not posted any "I told ya so" comments on this site when I would most certainly be justified in doing so. The closk on the vote is ticking and I am scrambling to find a solution and having to defend myself to you is a distraction and of no value to other readers so it is the last time I will do so.
"Serious Employee" has been given the contact info for Michael Hartleib. I don't know who he is or if he is legit; no one here does. I am willing to consider the possibility that there may be legitimately disenfranchised employees who have something to add to the dialogue, particularly after the way the DC terminations were handled We shall see . . . if any other disenfranchised employees have issues, they too should contact Michael Hartleib in confidence; do not post here! Call Michael Hartleib directly . . . the phone # and email are posted above . . .
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sl62 . . . respect your decision but sorry to lose your votes . . .
Lets not throw the baby out with the bath-water. If the product is viable, and the business model credible . . . then it is merely the execution of the business plan that is failing, which means management is failing . . .
I have had the privilege through my work of serving on many local and regional boards and committees, both in the private and governmental sectors. Change is hard but can be accomplished with effective leadership and a fearlessness to challenge the authority.
I have seen it first hand. It is within the power of shareholders to effect change but it requires the application of constant, crushing, overwhelming pressure . . . Mel CAN be worn down to a little nub but it will take a constant barrage of pressure.
Now it not the time for the faint-hearted. It is possible that a series of small, strategic, legal challenges can buy enough time for credit markets to thaw.
Management often forgets who they serve. Mel will go out fighting . . . that's who he is . . . but I have seen other guys at his age, that also fought the good fight, eventually say eh, do I really need this aggravation at this stage of my life?
A change of management and execution of the business plan is what is needed . . . not a series of duplicitous, ill-timed mis-steps and embarrasing public speaking engagements.
The shareholders can and should fight to throw out this management team . . . that process starts with voting your shares to memorialize your discontent, flooding management with letters, phone calls and emails of discontent and attending all Board meetings.
Look, it is NOT personal. Mel is either incompetent, over his head or worse . . . in any case, it is not a tenable situation for shareholders. Do not throw away your shares . . . the monetary value is all but irrelevant anyway . . . the value for today is in the voting privilege.
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
Guys . . . great posts all!
A little contingency planning . . . the articles posted here are reprinted, with permission, from the Siriusbuzz website. In the event that something unexpected happens and the Siriusbuzz website shuts down we will have lost our conduit for this forum; we need a back-up plan now . .
If anyone has "IT" knowledge and can set-up a no-frills site now as a back-up, please do so or, alternatively, recommend a place to reconvene this forum with our current identities. The continued communications flow is critical.
I also urge everyone to copy & paste any important posts, such as the sl62 Timeline, into a Word document for safe-keeping and future reference. Perhaps someone here will volunteer as a recording secretary to secure any of the important posts and act as librarian.
Please reply with suggestions for a back-up forum . . .
Relmor, can't hurt to hear what Hartleib has to say . . . he has already done much of the heavy-lifting
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Sirius Employee
There are many who share your concerns about management . . . please consider contacting Michael Hartleib at 714-927-5898 or by email at savesirius@gmail.com
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GO TO SIRIUSBUZZ.COM . . . THE LINK FOR THE INTERVIEW IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE MIDWAY DOWN. IT IS SIRIUSBUZZ RADIO SPECIAL EDITION OCT 21
MEET BACK HERE AFTER YOU HAVE LISTENED
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SiriusBuzz Radio - Special Edition - Oct 21,2008
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
"If you have not listened yet, there is a special edition of SiriusBuzz Radio available. Simply click on the link in the sidebar of the main site. This edition featured a conversation with Michael hartleib. If listeners have questions for Mr. Hartleib, they can post them here. Also tune in this Thursday when Mr. Hartleib will take callers questions."
__________________
Tyler Savery
Satellite Standard Founder
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i am moving further posts to the new article
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
not familiar with the NBA problem . . . will have to research that.
cos . .
I respect your patient temperamant . . the dissenting viewpoints are essential to a good decision . . . lets keep the think tank rolling . . . I have some ideas I will put forward in a later post.
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
ALL POSTERS/SHAREHOLDERS….
CLICK ON SIRIUSBUZZ RADIO-SPECIAL EDITION
You will hear Michael Hartleib and Tyler discussing the recent actions by Sirius Management. A MUST TO HEAR IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR INVESTMENT!!!
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
As I understand it . . . the Tyler/Brandon articles are first published at the SiriusBuzz website, which is where I usually read them. I am assuming that is the originating source. Sometime thereafter, the articles are picked-up by Seeking Alpha and republished here. Maybe I am wrong about that (someone help clarify).
What happens if SiriusBuzz goes down and thus no new Tyler/Brandon articles are originated at the SiriusBuzz website? Also, Seeking Alpha has a policy of not printing articles on stocks trading at less than $1.00 which they have not yet enforced . . .
Can anyone help with this??
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
We should decide this quickly and agree to retain our same identities if possible.
If something happens to the SiriusBuzz site before we reach concensus on where to meet please contact Michael Hartleib at: SAVESIRIUS@GMAIL.COM for directions to an alternate forum (I do not know Mr. Hartleib personally; Since he is willing to place his email address in a public venue, I assume he would assist us in the event of a problem with the SiriusBuzz site).
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
cos, one of the backroom discussions that always took place in meetings in which I was involved, where real change was being sought, was . . . "if we push through this change, what is the risk that we end up in a worse place than we are now?" It is a very valid question. Many people prefer to stick with the "enemy they know" for the predictability.
The second part of that question then becomes "if not Mel, then who?" An equally difficult challenge . . . many of these issues are better discussed in a private forum . . . I plan to at least open a dialogue with Hartleib and evaluate where his agenda is . . . it may not be the same as ours but we might be able to piggy-back off his efforts and at least have a pivot point for some kind of coordinated movement.
My fear now is that doing nothing is a worse risk . . .
we waited to hear good news from Mel after the merger . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel after the appeal deadline expired . . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel at the Merrill Lynch conference . . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel after Labor Day . . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel at the post "lottery ticket" Cramer appearance . . . .
then we waited to hear from some VP at a Deutshe Bank Conference in Arizona (still haven't heard anything about that one) . . .
then we waited to hear good news from Mel on October 5 . . .
now we're waiting for the Q-3 report
we've waited, and waited, and waited all the way down to $0.40
what is the downside here . . . we wait and lose the remaining 10-15% of our original investment?
cos, I am not seeking a leadership role for myself in all of this . . . I am hoping rather through my comments to inspire others to empower themselves to challenge the failed status quo, to start researching options for a new direction and to contribute suggestions aimed at preserving shareholder value.
We agree the product is good. We agree the subscription business model is good. Can we agree that execution of the business plan has not been good and can we agree that handling of the debt has not been good? There have been many "outside-the-box" suggestions put forward in this forum that deserve management's consideration.
Our best hope may be a loose alliance with Hartleib . . . . if we have common ground. He seems to have the energy and the stomach for what may lie ahead.
In the end . . . we will all hope this is much a'do about nothing and that the company performs and Mel executes the business plan . . . if not, it is worth being prepared for a fight.
I again urge everyone to write management, vote your shares and attend the Board meeting. If the content is appropriate for publication, I will recap my conversation with Hartleib at an appropriate time. All else are invited to call Hartleib themselves. His phone # and email address are posted way up above somewhere . . .
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
Management has failed to execute and it is my own opinion that a change is needed . . . . it may not be any better in "filling your pockets" but it certainly can do no worse than the current regime has in emptying them. . . . readers are free to follow whatever course they choose, including the "cos manuscript for filling shareholders pockets" if they so desire; it is a free country. No one should be told to "rethink why they are here" cos. It is not for you to decide. If you are a leigitimate "long" like relmor or sl62 you are undermining your own credibility with comments like that. This site is an idea filter . . . you are free to refute every single negative remark made about management by me or anyone else. Simply do so.
If you genuinely find my comments troubling . . . do not concern yourself with me cos. I have heard that line from you before. You are free to denounce me as a heretic or an NAB mole, ignore me, ridicule me as you have in the past because that is your proven schtick . . . . right out of the same old playbook . . . or you can try the old shout-down/intimidatio... method that you are so fond of.
It will say more about you than it will about me. I do not have to be vetted by you to offer an opinion. Let the readers here judge the motives for themselves.
It wasn't too long ago cos that you also accused "me" of being "The Vicar of Value;" you were pretty cock-sure of yourself on that one too, same as you are today about "Serious Employee." I have not posted any "I told ya so" comments on this site when I would most certainly be justified in doing so. The closk on the vote is ticking and I am scrambling to find a solution and having to defend myself to you is a distraction and of no value to other readers so it is the last time I will do so.
"Serious Employee" has been given the contact info for Michael Hartleib. I don't know who he is or if he is legit; no one here does. I am willing to consider the possibility that there may be legitimately disenfranchised employees who have something to add to the dialogue, particularly after the way the DC terminations were handled
We shall see . . . if any other disenfranchised employees have issues, they too should contact Michael Hartleib in confidence; do not post here! Call Michael Hartleib directly . . . the phone # and email are posted above . . .
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
Lets not throw the baby out with the bath-water. If the product is viable, and the business model credible . . . then it is merely the execution of the business plan that is failing, which means management is failing . . .
I have had the privilege through my work of serving on many local and regional boards and committees, both in the private and governmental sectors. Change is hard but can be accomplished with effective leadership and a fearlessness to challenge the authority.
I have seen it first hand. It is within the power of shareholders to effect change but it requires the application of constant, crushing, overwhelming pressure . . . Mel CAN be worn down to a little nub but it will take a constant barrage of pressure.
Now it not the time for the faint-hearted. It is possible that a series of small, strategic, legal challenges can buy enough time for credit markets to thaw.
Management often forgets who they serve. Mel will go out fighting . . . that's who he is . . . but I have seen other guys at his age, that also fought the good fight, eventually say eh, do I really need this aggravation at this stage of my life?
A change of management and execution of the business plan is what is needed . . . not a series of duplicitous, ill-timed mis-steps and embarrasing public speaking engagements.
The shareholders can and should fight to throw out this management team . . . that process starts with voting your shares to memorialize your discontent, flooding management with letters, phone calls and emails of discontent and attending all Board meetings.
Look, it is NOT personal. Mel is either incompetent, over his head or worse . . . in any case, it is not a tenable situation for shareholders. Do not throw away your shares . . . the monetary value is all but irrelevant anyway . . . the value for today is in the voting privilege.
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
A little contingency planning . . . the articles posted here are reprinted, with permission, from the Siriusbuzz website. In the event that something unexpected happens and the Siriusbuzz website shuts down we will have lost our conduit for this forum; we need a back-up plan now . .
If anyone has "IT" knowledge and can set-up a no-frills site now as a back-up, please do so or, alternatively, recommend a place to reconvene this forum with our current identities. The continued communications flow is critical.
I also urge everyone to copy & paste any important posts, such as the sl62 Timeline, into a Word document for safe-keeping and future reference. Perhaps someone here will volunteer as a recording secretary to secure any of the important posts and act as librarian.
Please reply with suggestions for a back-up forum . . .
Relmor, can't hurt to hear what Hartleib has to say . . . he has already done much of the heavy-lifting
Will Murdoch Make a Move on Sirius? [View article]
There are many who share your concerns about management . . . please consider contacting Michael Hartleib at 714-927-5898 or by email at savesirius@gmail.com
Your identity will be protected.