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The Bonus Tax: The Redistribution of Both Wealth And Talent

If you want Facism, look in the rear view mirror. Facism is shredding the First and Fourth Amendments in an ill-defined "War on Terror". Facism is committing extreme rendition on American citizens. Facism is the right to go through anyone's emails, phone conversations, etc. on the suspicion of it being related to terrorism.

Even a staunch conservative like Bob Barr had enough of the putrid actions during the previous Administration. His performance during the much-too-late Impeachment inquiry last year spelled out in exquisite details the Facists who almost managed to destroy this country.


On Mar 22 10:31 PM User 187593 wrote:

> This situation is not humurous--it is facisist. Congress is doing
> nothing less than targeting a specific group group for persecution
> (banking employees) just as the Nazis targeted jews. The reason
> I say employees is that the test is household income, not individual.
> Imagine a $40,000 secretary who received a $1,000 bonus, who is married
> to a $210,000 non-TARP company executive. That secretary willed
> be taxed at 90%. IT'S NOT JUST THE FAT CATS!!!

The Bonus Tax: The Redistribution of Both Wealth And Talent

So, what's new with these tax cheats and persons that have enough money to hire tax cheating lawyers?

Any wonder why the average Joe is outraged? While the wealthy shelter their income through "legal" and nefarious means such as foreign "tax havens" offshore accounts, shell businesses, and illegitimate deductions posing as business expenses, the working stiff paying his/her honest taxes for an honest wage looks that who gets rewarded under our current system and who gets the shaft.

1. Reinstate Glass-Steagall. None of these shops (Citigroup, B of A, etc.) should have ever been allowed to dally in businesses about which they knew nothing. AIG has (had) 111,000 employees. It's an insurance company. How can it effectively manage its core business while allowing these geniouses to manipulate the financial markets with CDO's and CDS's?

2. Eliminate bonus structures altogether. Why are salaried employees and small businesses hit time and time again, while big business always seems to 'bend' the rules and still come out on top? Think of it this way, if I’m an average corporation and I pay a qualified employee 100k as their salary, I am required to withhold taxes, insurance and a host of other items – in addition to setting aside money for federal programs. However, if I pay that individual 60k, and a bonus 40k, the situation looks much better. The employee has to handle withholding taxes on the 401k and I am only required to deal with the payroll effects of 60k.

3. Fix the tax code. Just a few examples:

A. Our effective cost per gallon of gas is ~$10.00 when one factors in the roughly $30 billion dollars in tax subsidies ANNUALLY provided to the oil and gas industry. This is the most egregious, downscale tax imaginable. Moreover, the oil and gas companies simply need to bid and secure future leases and INTENT to drill for the largess we reap upon them every year. This ponzi scheme against the American taxpayer is one of our dirtiest tax secrets.

B. Add to that tax subsidy the protectionist import rules on sugar, milk, etc. Removing sugar tariffs alone and replacing this supply with a much more efficient cane sugar ethanol source could end the corn producer/fertilizer manufacturers stranglehold on the taxpayer's neck.

C. For people who don't count the payroll, FICA, SUI, etc. automatic worker payroll contributions while conveniently ignoring the "bonus structure", offshore accounts, shell businesses, and other manipulative uses of the tax code by those who can afford tax attorneys, don't be so quick to condemn the extra pittance through earned income tax credits, adjusted rate schedules for wage earners and such put into the pockets of those who actually contribute a day's labor for a fair wage vs. the incredible sums paid to those who move money through the system. Look where that system of rewards has put us.

C. Finally, would someone please explain to me why there is a ~$106 K cap on wage contributions to Social Security?

While we are all arguing about the validity of the clawback option, we are missing the larger point of just how egregiously the average Joe has been pummeled by a tax system that redistributes wealth from the working middle class up to the 2% Captains of America that continue to rape this country and its resources.




On Mar 22 03:35 PM Rob Viglione wrote:

> Increasing political hostility to wealth and productivity will have
> dire long-term consequences. Many people I know are actively getting
> capital out of the country, while others develop escape plans for
> themselves.
>
> This is not the America we have come to believe in. The social contract
> with our government is fast eroding.

The Bonus Tax: The Redistribution of Both Wealth And Talent

Perhaps you missed the news item reporting that 20% of these "retention" bonus babies left the company AFTER they got their bonus money.

Still comfortable with AIG?

Actually, your point is well-taken in one sense. This isn't about bonuses paid to a batch of AIG FP geniouses. What this sorry episode has exposed is the incestuous nature of our economic structure. Merrell takes the B of A (taxpayer donated) TARP/Fed-structured buyout and pays BILLIONS in bonuses. AIG takes TARP and pays off BILLIONS to Goldman, Morgan and others sitting on their insured obligations that the worthless AIG'ers wrote.

This madness will only stop when we admit that w/o TARP and TALF money, these financial giants would be bankrupt midgets sitting on worthless assets enough to torpedo the companies should they ever write down those assets.

Nationalize the financial industry, GM, GE, and every other company that has brought this ruin upon our country!


On Mar 22 10:23 PM User 187593 wrote:

> AIG bonuses were not based on performance. They were retention bonuses,
> paid solely on obligation to stay on the job and perform during 2008.
> Since the affected employees stayed throughout 2008 they deserve
> the benefits of their contractual commitments, which they fulfilled.
>

The Bonus Tax: The Redistribution of Both Wealth And Talent

The article is almost as humorous as most of the comments.

The one who wrote the violin music about the porr financial guy who has a bunch of unredeemable stock options, a taxed salary (OMG!) and a bleeding Grandmother lost in Europe was better than the afternoon soaps.

Let's get real folks. What these guys do, in the list of TARP companies provided in this article, is literally move money around for their living. Where's the equal outrage and concern for the working stiff who is now supposed to renegotiate his union contract to spare the poor Detroit idiots?

I for one am sick and tired of hearing the outrage over confiscation of ill-gotten gains while the smart people who populate this site can't seem to realize that the role of the financial sector is to provide capital for people who actually produce things.

The problem with our economic contstruct is that we are not doing enough to right the wrongs of a failed, simplistic, silly policy direction that we have suffered through for at least the past thirty years.

The introduction, ascendency and idolatry of Milton Friedman's brand of shock economics has done more to destroy the world's economy than any economic hypothesis in our lifetime. This is not just Reaganomics /Bushanomics, but the pitting of haves/have nots in a global play orchestrated through Milton's disciples within the IMF, World Bank, and governing neo-conservative world view since at least 1975.

Cutting taxes on the wealthy and re-distributing middle class income up to those captains of industry combined with wholesale deregulation and record deficits under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, and conveniently leaving the $1 Trillion dollars of Iraq war spending off the books while the national debt ballooned from around $5 Trillion to $10.6 Trillion at last peek is an ingenious spin on what constitutes supply side stimulus, if not outright delusion.

Count the change left in your pockets, unless of course you are one of the few who benefitted from this latest episode of Shock Economics so popular with necons. I'll just ask you the same question Reagan used to ask: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

If you're in the same boat as the rest of us, our "staying the course" has undeniably run the lot of us aground. If you have benefitted, then you're one of the lucky 2% that control 80% of America's wealth, completely comfortable that you'll ride out the storm until the next lunatic can covince most of the people all of the time into something completely counter to their own self interest.

The Current Stagnation of Natural Gas Vehicles in America

A good balance of comments. For those who favor domestic oil production, perhaps I would be more sympathetic with your comments if I ignored the environmental impacts of same. What has not been mentioned in this stream is VERY important to turning the corner. A bit off subject, but intimately interrelated to the issue.

Consider the following four giant effects on tax policy that those who only look at the income tax seem to conveniently forget:

1. Our effective cost per gallon of gas is ~$10.00 when one factors in the roughly $30 billion dollars in tax subsidies ANNUALLY provided to the oil and gas industry. This is the most egregious, downscale tax imaginable. Moreover, the oil and gas companies simply need to bid and secure future leases and INTENT to drill for the largess we reap upon them every year. This ponzi scheme against the American taxpayer is one of our dirtiest tax secrets.

The attempted movement away from an oil-based economy is long overdue. Eliminating these subsidies and replacing them with a carbon tax and offsets would be a dandy replacement for current outlays while returning the investment towards modernizing the electrical grid and smart energy technologies while contributing towards deficit reduction. Even an oil guy as purile as T. Boone Pickens has attempted to wake up and smell the coffee.

2. Add to that tax subsidy the protectionist import rules on sugar, milk, etc. Removing sugar tariffs alone and replacing this supply with a much more efficient cane sugar ethanol source could end the corn producer/fertilizer manufacturers stranglehold on the taxpayer's neck. If one wants to make the small farmer argument, then set resdiency, gross receipts and size requirements on farm subsidies. This reward for planting inefficient crop supply and for NOT PLANTING crops drawfs even the oil subsidies.

3. For people who don't count the payroll, FICA, SUI, etc. automatic worker payroll contributions while conveniently ignoring the offshore accounts, shell businesses, and other manipulative uses of the tax code by those who can afford tax attorneys, don't be so quick to condemn the extra pittance through earned income tax credits, adjusted rate schedules for wage earners and such put into the pockets of those who actually contribute a day's labor for a fair wage vs. the incredible sums paid to those who move money through the system. Look where that system of rewards has put us.

4. Finally, would someone please explain to me why there is a ~$100 K cap on wage contributions to Social Security?

Efficient Markets Present Opportunities for Savvy Buyers

People are bandying about alternative meanings of Efficient Market Theory (and there is enough historical data to class this economic explanation as a theory). Some are calling it wrong, and that markets are inefficient, because of government intervention. Some misuse the word "rational" in place a efficiency.

If everyone will dust off their Burton Malkiel ("A Random Walk Down Wall Street), he effectively, efficiently and expertly deals with why this approach to long term investing is the best and safest strategy for investors.

His historical analysis, dating back well into the ups and downs since well back into the 1800's, factors in all of the comments about investor psychology, market conditions, access to information, etc. Though impossible to summarize his analysis in a post, basically he proves conclusively:

1. Technical analysis, reading tea leaves, hoping that the past movement in stock patterns predicts the future is simply wrong. For every guru (whether its the current doom machines like Rubini or the tech gurus of the late 1990's) with a system or explanation, there are always unforeseen counter forces moving patterns back to the mean.

2. We have always experienced market bubbles and we always will. These don't point to inefficiencies in markets, simply a demonstration of the greater fool who tries to guess or time the market.

3. Any historical analysis of asset classes and ROI comes up with roughly the same conclusion: stocks = ~8-11%; bonds = ~4-6%, etc. His recommendation about diversification clearly extends beyond investments in the stock or bond markets.

4. As boring as the approach seems, the only logical way to invest is broad diversification, dollar cost averaging when this is feasible, and stock investment predominantly in broad indexes that track the various market caps. In fact he suggests that the Wilshire 5000 is the best predictor of long term return of stocks.

I know. The counter to EMT is that in the long term we'll all be dead. Though I'm one of the current suffering along with all of you, I'm willing to admit that I'm not smart enough, unable to collect and absorb information that result in enough correct guesses to win the lottery, and unwilling to risk losing all my investment when a formerly "safe" company goes belly up.

I've ridden that rollercoaster since before 1987, and the worst that I can say is that I've lost no more money than the "active investor".

As for evaluating market inefficiencies and government ideology, it was the ideological mess of supply-side, Friedman shock economics and the Laffer Curve that got us into this mess, discounting all of the micro reasons (repeal of Glass Steagall, deregulation, creative debt obligations, etc.) driven by the theorectical approach, so I wouldn't recommend ever trying to figure out any magical answer to running an economy or market investing.

A Credit Default Swap Primer

To Toddc and Paulk8756:

Though your comments were totally off-post to the article, which adequately explained the CDS ponzi system, I can't let your Republican talking points about this being a Democratic Fannie/Freddie-initiat... cause to the problem.

As the author rightly points out it was Gramm who literally inserted the regulation exemption for the Commodity Futures market.

We bought whole hog into a ton of manure that the way for all to get wealthy is to let the market work, cut taxes such that capital flows towards those with the capital, and get out of the way. That's exactly the picture that McCain has espoused and bullied around for 26 years (remember the Keating Five?)

Now for some shocking realities:

1. The top 1% control 40% of all financial wealth in the U.S. The top 20% another 52%, leaving the rest of us (80%) America's financial wealth at a whopping 8%.

2. In terms of inherited wealth only 1.6% inherit moe than $100,000. 91.9% receive nothing. Yet the "death tax" is the highest priority on the ultra-conservative agenda.

Now for some sobering reminders:

Under Clinton we enjoyed a $287 Billion SURPLUS that's now a $600 Billion deficit and national debt that has grown from $5.7 Trillion to 9/7 Trillion in just seven years.

It wasn't because Clinton was an economic genious. He simply chose folks who shared his philosophy of government and its role. I'll put my money in the hands of the guys that believe that it's the government's job to invest in the 80% of us that need practical ways to grow our own wealth (smart energy policy, infrastructure development, education).

Let's hear less grandstanding, yes, but let's hear more truth as well.