The great depression took about 3 years to get to 25% unemployment and a low in the stock market....something like the third quarter of 1932. (we think og the crash of '29 as the start)
So we are just perhaps at the beginning of a longer slide like back in '29......heck, the market had several rallies in that 20-32 time period.....in fact, I think the great depresison was technically something like two longer recessions...not exactly one long session.
Still....the sum total of pain was there. Perhaps we are just beginning the process. (let's hope not)
Massive debt is playing with fire too......especially when there are no plans to repay. Faith is lost and should the house of cards ever fall (and this might be what we see now) so goes the illusion. (and your value / money)
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I think there is a missing component to this story....one that might simply be a back-story, I am not sure. That is the fact that it isn't just the housing market that is wrapped up in debt...but the entire US economy, and the US Dollar itself.
We have been running a trade deficit for years upon years, and the value of our work has been going down in the world....the result has been that our salaries have been effectly going down, and had we not come across the magic bullet of "outsourcing", we would never have been able to keep prices down so that we could afford our own products.
But we outsourced, and got our cheap products...but in doing so, we essentially also exported our jobs....and since out actual exports were NOT keeping up with our imports, other countries ended up having to eventually loan us the money we needed to keep buying their products.....we were essentially BROKE.
Why did they do that....well, it turns out they needed us.....our value to the world was our ability to CONSUME....they wanted to build the factories and infrastructure to produce, and they needed consumers...so they "saved" their money in order to lend it back to us to keep us fat, dumb and happy.....all the time consuming their goods, and allowing them to build their infrastructure.
Well....we have not quite gotten to the point where their middle class can support their factories....but as we slip, and they progress, they are getting darn close.
If the day comes where we are NOT the biggest consumer in the world...we will NOT be needed....and we will collapse because no one will buy our dent...and we will have to pay all our debtors.
The debt to China alone is awesome.....
So the problem is surely one of debt....but much more than just housing debt and local debt.
I think the "target" for our decline has been described over and over....."We want a "soft-landing". This soft landing is still a crash....but slow, calm and in many ways controlled.
So if all goes to plan, we will see a slow eroding of standard of living and wealth in the USA. If things go odd track, well....a violent nose-first decent might give us much different results. (I'm not sure the Lobster ends up any less dead after the slow-rising temperature boil as opposed to the plunge into the boiling pot.....but perhaps one is more tasty than the other...no?)
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So we are just perhaps at the beginning of a longer slide like back in '29......heck, the market had several rallies in that 20-32 time period.....in fact, I think the great depresison was technically something like two longer recessions...not exactly one long session.
Still....the sum total of pain was there. Perhaps we are just beginning the process. (let's hope not)
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We have been running a trade deficit for years upon years, and the value of our work has been going down in the world....the result has been that our salaries have been effectly going down, and had we not come across the magic bullet of "outsourcing", we would never have been able to keep prices down so that we could afford our own products.
But we outsourced, and got our cheap products...but in doing so, we essentially also exported our jobs....and since out actual exports were NOT keeping up with our imports, other countries ended up having to eventually loan us the money we needed to keep buying their products.....we were essentially BROKE.
Why did they do that....well, it turns out they needed us.....our value to the world was our ability to CONSUME....they wanted to build the factories and infrastructure to produce, and they needed consumers...so they "saved" their money in order to lend it back to us to keep us fat, dumb and happy.....all the time consuming their goods, and allowing them to build their infrastructure.
Well....we have not quite gotten to the point where their middle class can support their factories....but as we slip, and they progress, they are getting darn close.
If the day comes where we are NOT the biggest consumer in the world...we will NOT be needed....and we will collapse because no one will buy our dent...and we will have to pay all our debtors.
The debt to China alone is awesome.....
So the problem is surely one of debt....but much more than just housing debt and local debt.
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So if all goes to plan, we will see a slow eroding of standard of living and wealth in the USA. If things go odd track, well....a violent nose-first decent might give us much different results. (I'm not sure the Lobster ends up any less dead after the slow-rising temperature boil as opposed to the plunge into the boiling pot.....but perhaps one is more tasty than the other...no?)