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U.S. Healthcare Legislation Investment Impact

while one might complain that SS is a ponzi. the replacements for pensions are more like frauds that any thing else


On Nov 09 02:59 PM Gedankonomist wrote:

>
> Yes, just like social security. The definition of "insanity" is
> essentially the idea that, after trying something and finding out
> you are wrong, you go and try the same thing again, expecting a different
> result.
>
> Roosevelt promised you "social security" and what you got instead
> was a Ponzi scheme. Actually, it is worse than a Ponzi scheme, since
> most Ponzi schemes are VOLUNTARY. So my apologies to Charles Ponzi.
>
>
> Anyway, now the same monstrosity in DC is promising you "free health
> care." You fools, you are about to find out the hard way that "free
> health care" is actually stealing. Although you think your neighbor
> will be paying for your "free health care," you will be getting robbed
> at the same time.
>
> On Nov 09 11:21 AM Michael D. wrote:
>
> healthcare won't be only available

The Hypocrisy and High Stakes of Healthcare Reform

here the thing. if we do nothing at all. in 10 years the average cost of insurance will be 30K per family (if we are lucky).
what are the odds that any business will keep this benefit when its that high?
and business has been dropping this already (down to about 50% of those business that have ever done so).
and why is the rest of the world has solved this problem, but the richest country in the world is helpless to solve it?

The Hypocrisy and High Stakes of Healthcare Reform

how do you figure that? all we lead in is the cost. we don't lead in any of the results of health care.


On Oct 22 12:45 PM CLH wrote:

> This whole reform is unbelievable. America has the best health care
> in the world. Does anyone go to Europe or Canada for health care?.
> Of course not. They all come to America where the health care is
> the best. The only way to cut costs is to privatise Medicare which
> is a bankrupt disaster.

The Hypocrisy and High Stakes of Healthcare Reform

doctor may have used to over treat because of fear. but not any more. and we proved it in Texas. we 'reformed' tort so that it is not economically feasible to sue for malpractice. but it had no impact on health care costs. seems to have gone up just like every where else.
and while patients have no idea about costs and doctor's do either. i doubt very seriously any one ever signed up for surgery because it didn't cost them any thing. or at best they did that once.
and learned that it was painful. and thats true of almost procedures isn't it?

and not every one will be allowed to buy insurance. you can't do that if you have some really minor conditions they won't write the contract for any amount of money. they will also cancel your contract if they can for any reason if they have a major claim coming (even if it will kill you to not have a procedure). happens all the time

and you still can't buy drugs from Canada. they won't allow that.
you can go there to have surgery if you want (they haven't stopped that. in fact your insurance company might suggest you go to India on a medical vacation.
all insurance is regulated. it all has rules as to what can be sold and what has to offered. and do you really think that buying from another state will really help? and how likely will that state be in helping you when the insurance companies fails to do some thing (like pay a claim?). not likely to be much help there at all

On Oct 22 07:32 AM fwi wrote:

> The central problem with health care expenditures is that consumers
> think of their insurance like an all-you-can-eat buffet. They overconsume,
> primarily because "it is already paid for", and they do not know
> what anything costs. Doctors often over-treat because of fear of
> grotesque lawsuits. And insurers only compete within a state, often
> with very few players.
>
> We no more need the Federal Government to take over our healthcare
> than we need a Federal bureaucrat picking out our clothes. Wholesale
> overhaul is complete madness. We need only address the above three
> issues in the following ways:
> 1. Each consumer uses his own allowance to buy his own insurance.
> For those employers who want to provide , fine, but not in purchased
> insurance, but with money to the employee. For the person who cannot
> afford insurance, the government provides the consumer with a cash
> allowance, with the freedom to use it as he would any other life
> sustaining purchase. For example, food stamps allow the consumer
> to purchase his own food choices. If food stamps were run like a
> public option, then the Feds would tell the consumer what brand of
> bacon to buy, how often he could buy it, and what store he was required
> to use. How long would anyone stand for that?
> 2. Doctors would stop over-prescribing procedures and tests if they
> told the patients what each cost, and what the dangers were if the
> tests were not done. The two then decide how best to manage the
> risks and benefits. Out of control lawsuits would be capped. One
> thing that everyone has forgotten is that the practice of medicine
> is as much an art as a science. To hold doctors to a standard of
> infallibility is unfair, as politicians and money managers are clearly
> not.
> 3. We are in a global economy and insurance cannot be purchased
> across state lines. The consumer then overpays to an insurer who
> is under challenged by the marketplace. This crazy law must be overturned.
> If you live in Florida and can buy controlled drugs in Canada, why
> cannot you buy cheaper insurance from Georgia?
>
> None of these reforms cost a dime, no new bureaucracies and entitlements
> created. Consumers take control of their own health care, insurers
> would have a more competitive marketplace, and doctors would practice
> more common sense medicine and less "defensive" medicine.
>
> If the Federal Government has decided that the citizens of this country
> cannot handle their own healthcare decisions, then what is the next
> thing they will decide we cannot handle? We must be beware of the
> unthinkable, because it is already happening.