Deep Throat's Comments RSS Syndication from SeekingAlpha.com http://seekingalpha.comuser/267866/comments http://seekingalpha.com/article/96785-baidu-vs-google-who-s-the-1-country-specific-search-engine?source=feed#comment-277490 277490 You are right in one of your assertions - I am involved with the music industry, as has been pretty obvious so far with my focus on music. And I do have reason to be negative about Baidu as you conveniently ignore the fact that Baidu is hosting music files instead of simply just linking to music files on 3rd party sites.
You have a simplistic view that giving away music is the norm but it does not justify Baidu's illegal methods - and simply doing what everyone else is purportedly doing is how we ended up with the financial mess in the US and the tainted milk scandal in China.

And note that mp3 traffic as part of Baidu's overall traffic is not as minor as you make it out to be - in China, even Baidu acknowledges the fact when you talk to them. They use this traffic to monetize other parts of their business - it is a devious exploitation.

It's fine to be bullish about Baidu, and if it is your preferred path to blood money, it's your personal choice, but realize that it engages in fradulent behavior with regards to its so-called music search and then make an informed decision - that's all I'm trying to do here. Too many people are promoting Baidu without having a full picture of the beast with its cunning use of technology.

]]> Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:53:27 -0400 You are right in one of your assertions - I am involved with the music industry, as has been pretty obvious so far with my focus on music. And I do have reason to be negative about Baidu as you conveniently ignore the fact that Baidu is hosting music files instead of simply just linking to music files on 3rd party sites.
You have a simplistic view that giving away music is the norm but it does not justify Baidu's illegal methods - and simply doing what everyone else is purportedly doing is how we ended up with the financial mess in the US and the tainted milk scandal in China.

And note that mp3 traffic as part of Baidu's overall traffic is not as minor as you make it out to be - in China, even Baidu acknowledges the fact when you talk to them. They use this traffic to monetize other parts of their business - it is a devious exploitation.

It's fine to be bullish about Baidu, and if it is your preferred path to blood money, it's your personal choice, but realize that it engages in fradulent behavior with regards to its so-called music search and then make an informed decision - that's all I'm trying to do here. Too many people are promoting Baidu without having a full picture of the beast with its cunning use of technology.

]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/96785-baidu-vs-google-who-s-the-1-country-specific-search-engine?source=feed#comment-269812 269812 I don't think anyone here has mentioned that "the majority of Baidu traffic results from illegal MP3 searches" BUT if you had access to yesterday's (29/9) Guardian, you would read that Baidu's associate director of entertainment stated their "MP3 search accounted for 40% of Baidu's traffic - roughly 100 million MP3 search inquiries per day".

@SMF,
I will state again that you are not qualified to push the Baidu case - your research of Baidu seems to consist of online searches for stories about Baidu. Go down to China and find out the real truth - it is laughable that you are still quoting the WSJ article with the Baidu quote stating "Baidu said it "believes in copyright protection" and "continues to work to fight piracy on the Internet by developing innovative business models."
As I have stated before and as confirmed by other reports I have pointed you to, Baidu is one of the main perpetrators of music piracy in China as it is HOSTING MUSIC FILES and that is an undeniable truth.
Note that I am not debating the merits of Baidu's other services, but that this fact about Baidu's music piracy needs to be highlighted. This shows the nature of the beast and their fradulent behaviour which does not befit a NASDAQ-listed company, and yet you insist on turning a blind eye to this ethical blemish in promoting Baidu further
]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:52:37 -0400 I don't think anyone here has mentioned that "the majority of Baidu traffic results from illegal MP3 searches" BUT if you had access to yesterday's (29/9) Guardian, you would read that Baidu's associate director of entertainment stated their "MP3 search accounted for 40% of Baidu's traffic - roughly 100 million MP3 search inquiries per day".

@SMF,
I will state again that you are not qualified to push the Baidu case - your research of Baidu seems to consist of online searches for stories about Baidu. Go down to China and find out the real truth - it is laughable that you are still quoting the WSJ article with the Baidu quote stating "Baidu said it "believes in copyright protection" and "continues to work to fight piracy on the Internet by developing innovative business models."
As I have stated before and as confirmed by other reports I have pointed you to, Baidu is one of the main perpetrators of music piracy in China as it is HOSTING MUSIC FILES and that is an undeniable truth.
Note that I am not debating the merits of Baidu's other services, but that this fact about Baidu's music piracy needs to be highlighted. This shows the nature of the beast and their fradulent behaviour which does not befit a NASDAQ-listed company, and yet you insist on turning a blind eye to this ethical blemish in promoting Baidu further
]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/96785-baidu-vs-google-who-s-the-1-country-specific-search-engine?source=feed#comment-268127 268127 1) Alexa is a grossly incompetent measurement tool that is frequently gamed especially by Chinese internet companies - there have been numerous Chinese companies that have had their Alexa rankings deleted totally. The Chinese CNNIC internet organization itself had stated that mp3 search is the key factor for Baidu's traffic
2) That Baidu's CFO Jennifer Li is claiming that they have a few deals with a selected number of labels is true, but so what if they have a few of these while they steal from the majority? Even the EMI deal they claim to have possibly excludes most of their international repertoire. Baidu has done these deals as a cover to deflect criticism of their methods, and writers like you have fallen for it.
As I have stated before, Baidu is illegally HOSTING MUSIC FILES, and whatever else they say in order to justify their actions, this is fradulent behaviour that is not in keeping with a NASDAQ listed company.

None of the investment companies that push a 'Buy' or 'Outperform' rating have done any proper homework on Baidu's fraudulent practices and expediently want to simply chase a quick buck while sitting in their ivory towers.

Shane, I challenge you to read the Register article at www.theregister.co.uk/... and still state that Baidu is doing the right thing. It's all too easy to say that you will let the courts decide but ethically, you do have a responsibility when you write and promote a company whose ethical practices have been damningly questioned.
]]> Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:03:46 -0400 1) Alexa is a grossly incompetent measurement tool that is frequently gamed especially by Chinese internet companies - there have been numerous Chinese companies that have had their Alexa rankings deleted totally. The Chinese CNNIC internet organization itself had stated that mp3 search is the key factor for Baidu's traffic
2) That Baidu's CFO Jennifer Li is claiming that they have a few deals with a selected number of labels is true, but so what if they have a few of these while they steal from the majority? Even the EMI deal they claim to have possibly excludes most of their international repertoire. Baidu has done these deals as a cover to deflect criticism of their methods, and writers like you have fallen for it.
As I have stated before, Baidu is illegally HOSTING MUSIC FILES, and whatever else they say in order to justify their actions, this is fradulent behaviour that is not in keeping with a NASDAQ listed company.

None of the investment companies that push a 'Buy' or 'Outperform' rating have done any proper homework on Baidu's fraudulent practices and expediently want to simply chase a quick buck while sitting in their ivory towers.

Shane, I challenge you to read the Register article at www.theregister.co.uk/... and still state that Baidu is doing the right thing. It's all too easy to say that you will let the courts decide but ethically, you do have a responsibility when you write and promote a company whose ethical practices have been damningly questioned.
]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/96785-baidu-vs-google-who-s-the-1-country-specific-search-engine?source=feed#comment-267189 267189 I may have been a little harsh on you earlier in stating that you have a vested interest in pushing Baidu, but please, please do the right thing and see it for what it really is.
Pointing out that BNP and Morgan Stanley have major stakes in Baidu means jackshit - the Wall Street meltdown has shown what a morally bankrupt group a great number of financial companies really are. And the Sanlu tainted milk scandal also implicated New Zealand's Fonterra which had a 43% stake in Sanlu...major money indeed!!
I do understand that the main thrust of your article was to highlight the fact that Baidu has "more search queries in China than Google does in the USA", but at the same time, it needs to be told how/ why they are achieving this - hosting and disseminating mp3 files illegally. For the benefit of other readers, I suggest you also read this on CNet:
asia.cnet.com/blogs/li...]]> Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:54:24 -0400 I may have been a little harsh on you earlier in stating that you have a vested interest in pushing Baidu, but please, please do the right thing and see it for what it really is.
Pointing out that BNP and Morgan Stanley have major stakes in Baidu means jackshit - the Wall Street meltdown has shown what a morally bankrupt group a great number of financial companies really are. And the Sanlu tainted milk scandal also implicated New Zealand's Fonterra which had a 43% stake in Sanlu...major money indeed!!
I do understand that the main thrust of your article was to highlight the fact that Baidu has "more search queries in China than Google does in the USA", but at the same time, it needs to be told how/ why they are achieving this - hosting and disseminating mp3 files illegally. For the benefit of other readers, I suggest you also read this on CNet:
asia.cnet.com/blogs/li...]]> http://seekingalpha.com/article/96785-baidu-vs-google-who-s-the-1-country-specific-search-engine?source=feed#comment-262576 262576 www.theregister.co.uk/.../
As a Baidu shareholder it almost seems that you have a vested interest to talk up this company no matter what despicable acts Baidu has been engaging in, especially it's alleged role in the baby-killing tainted milk scandal. Your article shows a great deal of research and statistics to inflate Baidu's superiority yet surely with that kind of detailed research its surprising that you have instead chosen to conveniently neglect to mention that a significant portion of its traffic is brought about by its legally-challenged music search.
Your ignorance is laughable in suggesting that Microsoft should consider buying Baidu - can you imagine the can of worms that MS would inherit? You have no idea how some of these Chinese search companies work do you? You're simply just an armchair advisor who is clueless on the real workings of Baidu and yet wants to exhort others to jump into it.
David Wolf has written a much more balanced article on Baidu here on Seeking Alpha itself seekingalpha.com/artic...
The last I checked, greed is no longer good in Wall Street, and Baidu's actions will one day bring them the karma they are sowing now...
]]> Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:26:28 -0400 www.theregister.co.uk/.../
As a Baidu shareholder it almost seems that you have a vested interest to talk up this company no matter what despicable acts Baidu has been engaging in, especially it's alleged role in the baby-killing tainted milk scandal. Your article shows a great deal of research and statistics to inflate Baidu's superiority yet surely with that kind of detailed research its surprising that you have instead chosen to conveniently neglect to mention that a significant portion of its traffic is brought about by its legally-challenged music search.
Your ignorance is laughable in suggesting that Microsoft should consider buying Baidu - can you imagine the can of worms that MS would inherit? You have no idea how some of these Chinese search companies work do you? You're simply just an armchair advisor who is clueless on the real workings of Baidu and yet wants to exhort others to jump into it.
David Wolf has written a much more balanced article on Baidu here on Seeking Alpha itself seekingalpha.com/artic...
The last I checked, greed is no longer good in Wall Street, and Baidu's actions will one day bring them the karma they are sowing now...
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