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Healthcare 'Debate' Dominated by Shouting and Lobbies

"I will give you no freedom that takes money out of my pocket to benefit your bad behavior." John Lounsbury

Would Have Been Nice If This Had Been Followed In Relation To Banking And Finance.

Healthcare 'Debate' Dominated by Shouting and Lobbies

"I think these are credible ideas and, to those who object to them based on their freedom being curtailed, I say: I will give you no freedom that takes money out of my pocket to benefit your bad behavior." John Lounsbury

I Concur Wholeheartedly !!!

I fear that these points are just "The Teasers" - I am worried about what gets added in the "Details And Earmarks".

I have seen enough reprehensible legislature passed - I would prefer a hiatus and a sussing out of a plan along with some "Failure Modes Analysis".

We Have The Internet Now - Government Should Put The "Letter" Of The Bill Up And Let The Debate Begin. Revise And Continue.


On Aug 20 04:19 PM John Lounsbury wrote:

> I just listened to President Obama's on line healthcare "forum".
> I heard a couple of interesting things.
>
> 1. Questions and discussion on the role of diet in health care costs.
> Several commenters here have mentioned the importance of this in
> trying to control health care costs.
>
> 2. I heard Obama say that everyone should be required to have a
> basic catastrophic health care policy. He said that should be the
> minimum coverage (mandatory, like auto liabilty insurance) and more
> comprehensive coverage would be optional. I do not recall hearing
> this before (except in my articles).
>
> I think the comment stream has addressed some of the objections we
> will hear to these two items. I think these are credible ideas and,
> to those who object to them based on their freedom being curtailed,
> I say: I will give you no freedom that takes money out of my pocket
> to benefit your bad behavior.
>

Healthcare 'Debate' Dominated by Shouting and Lobbies

"If people were as capable as you seem to think they are, then we wouldn't have this current housing/debt crisis." - mikebrah


The "Cause" of this "Debt Crisis" Is The 600 Trillion Unregulated Derivatives Market.

The Housing Issue Was Only The "Fuse" set in place by the Community Reinvestment Act.

Many Americans Are "Victims Of Circumstance" At This Point.

Anger And Ire Should Be Shown To Those Involved In This Fraudulent Scheme - Government Enablers Included.


On Aug 20 12:32 AM mikebrah wrote:

> John,
>
> You suggest that people will take a more proactive interest in health
> care if they are financially motivated. But people are physically
> motivated to take a proactive interest in their health and have utterly
> and completely failed.
>
> If people were as capable as you seem to think they are, then we
> wouldn't have this current housing/debt crisis. After all, our present
> situation essentially comes down to the average American not being
> able to manage a checkbook. People who make $50k/year and try to
> buy a $300k house are going to suddenly start making fiscally responsible
> choices about what's best for their health care? Really?
>
> If the average American had even a modicum of the intelligence and
> discipline you suggest, then 30% of the nation wouldn't be obese
> and 70% overweight. The easiest, most effective reduction to health
> care would be for our nation TO BE IN GOOD HEALTH.
>
> A simple 30 minute walk after dinner and consuming less than 3k calories
> per day would be an enormous reduction to our country's overall health
> care costs. I just find it hard to believe that these amorphous
> blobs who go to town hall meetings and yell, or sit at the tv and
> yell, or sit at the computer and yell are capable of the task at
> hand.
>
> To me, the actual HEALTH of our nation is the most disturbing issue.
>
>
> MM

Healthcare 'Debate' Dominated by Shouting and Lobbies

Thank You John Lounsbury For Attempting A Rational Debate On This Issue.

Yes, the factors that contribute to the "Wacked Out Cost" in the health care sector do need to be addressed. I, However, Have no trust that "Representatives" who do not read, and also "Earmark The Heck Out Of", the bills they pass into law - Will have any true fix when it is done; the higher probability is "A Worse System" because of neglected "Failure Modes Analysis".

The Foolery I See In DC Gives No Confidence For Rational Solution. I would be more comfortable if those here at Seeking Alpha designed a "System" and submitted it; At least many here understand the "Factors" if not the "Magnitude".

Alignment Of Interest - Is The Key To Any Successful Contract.

Without "Skin In The Game" for all parties involved there is a higher probability of failure.

"Government Run" removes, rather than adds, alignment of interest. "Regulatory Framework" Is The Only Purpose Of Government. As All Well Know - Government Entities Are Not Allowed To Fail And Thus Can Not Be Replaced Even If They Become Corrupted And Inefficient.

Having Experienced "Government Run" With The VA Hospitals I Can Knowledgeably Inform That - Yes Health Care Is "Provided". However - The "Cattle Feel" Is Pervasive. I am a medically discharged veteran and have "Run The Gauntlet". It Is Not Necessarily The "People" It Is "DEFINITELY THE BUREAUCRACY" that makes the most issues.

What Ever System Is Designed It MUST Be Kept Out Of The "Government Realm" Or There Will Be No Recourse When It Either Does Not Work Or It Fails Through Corruption.