Douglas Korthof

Customer Is the Winner in the Electric Vehicle Market

It's all a sham!
at least so far.

There are 8-year-old Toyota RAV4-EV plug-ins, using cheaper, proven NiMH batteries, that have over 100 miles all-electric range on the same battery pack.

GM is not serious, it's just jiving. If it were not lying, GM would stop suppressing the fully restored EV1 at WWU, which GM has threatened to confiscate and crush. Even though it's operating on gummint munny, GM is still killing the Electric car.

As for Toyota, they are apparently forbidden from using superior NiMH batteries for plug-ins, due to their shameful surrender to Chevron's lawsuit that prohibited them from making plug-in cars and stopped production of the NiMH batteries needed for all plug-in cars with more than 100,000 miles life and up to 200 miles range.

15 Cars Fueling the Auto Industry Recovery

Muscle cars and phony "hybrids" that still can't plug in.

Just proves that auto companies are con-jobbers, and people are stupid. How soon they forget, and how little they care.

As expected; the "green" fad will fade, and the oil-auto companies will be back to business as usual, pimping oil, where the profit is, and oil-fired cars -- which is just the "needle" for the oil drug.

Ford Plans Both Electric Vehicles and Plug-In Hybrids

Good news. If Mulally says it, it might really get done.

Unlike failed GM manglers, Ford intends to stay in business.

The only difference: Ford voting stock is controlled by the Ford family, and they didn't want the company to go under. GM and Chrysler didn't care, they were just tools of the oil industry.

However, leased batteries are no good. Leasing is ALWAYS more expensive then buying.

The 1999 EV1 had over 100 miles range with cheap PSB 1260 lead-acid batteries; and the Toyota RAV4-EV, last sold in Nov., 2002 (and the ONLY electric car offered to the public for sale by an Auto Alliance member) is still over 100 miles on NiMH batteries.

NiMH is the standard EV battery; Lithium is much more expensive.

Ford should look to NiMH or lead-acid, and forget about high-cost short-lived Lithium.

One more thing: it's a vapid FANTASY to think that spent batteries have ANY value as peak-shaving or battery backup solar system use. New lead-acid deep-cycle batteries are FAR superior to spent EV batteries.

How PHEVs and EVs Will Sabotage America's Drive for Energy Independence

On the contrary! Despite all the hype, there is no plug-in car for sale (except the eBox and Tesla, which involve a waiting list).

There is NO EV juggernaut; it's all a lie. There IS NO shortage of batteries now except in the fetid imagination of Big Oil paid sockpuppets.

Just as they "worry" about taxing the grid to power EVs, when there are no EVs!!

As Elon Must stated, don't worry about pastures for unicorns until there ARE some unicorns.


On Aug 26 01:44 PM John Petersen wrote:

> Tom, I try to keep the level of emotion to a minimum, but sometimes
> I'm less effective at that than others.
>
> CanEginTx and Mark Divy, many thanks for refining the details on
> my rough recollection from college chemistry.
>
> Zenfar, I'm no great respecter of EPA estimates, but they do provide
> a reference point. The real choke point in all of this is battery
> manufacturing capacity and until we can make all the batteries we
> would ever want, national energy policy has to favor putting the
> limited supply of batteries in the applications where they'll do
> the most good in terms of reducing gasoline consumption. I agree
> that the whole sector is in for massive growth and despite my contrary
> mutterings, there is an awful lot of momentum behind the push for
> PHEVs and EVs. One blogger throwing spitballs at that supertanker
> isn't likely to change anything, but it may open some investor's
> eyes to the broader opportunity that will unfold over the next few
> years.