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  • The Fallacy Of An Infinite Or Endless Market For Herbalife (Or Any Other MLM) [View instapost]
    ProTruth,

    Thanks for posting that! This line from his letter really stands out for me:

    "This letter directly responds to a request from the office of the Director of Consumer Protection to offer ideas and recommendations on the subject of “bright lines” of illegality."

    That's Jessica Rich's office at the FTC - I've mentioned her before in a few posts on SA. That office has been pretty busy lately. I love how she calls out bs in public statements:

    "“It would be nice if cosmetics could alter our genes and turn back time,” said Jessica Rich, Director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection. “But L’Oréal couldn’t support these claims.” ( L’Oréal Settles FTC Charges Alleging Deceptive Advertising for Anti-Aging Cosmetics - FTC PR )

    And it was Mary Engle from the FTC who was sitting next to Dr. Oz at the recent hearing organized by Senator Claire McCaskill concerning weight-loss product advertising. At this same hearing it was Senator Amy Klobuchar who checked her Twitter feed during the hearing and found 4 deceptive weight loss ads while certain 'industry representatives' [apologists lol] were providing testimony.

    I don't think any of those women will allow a company to entice single mothers into making a $4000 investment toward a 'business opportunity' none of their distributors even understands enough to explain it clearly in simple math on a piece of paper.

    Anita Vasco, a homemaker in Chester County, PA with children in their teens, opened a Herbalife nutrition club last year and became a supervisor. [<--there it is again]
    "Vasco suffered $12,000 in 2013 losses on the nutrition club excluding hundreds or thousands of work hours and $2,000 in products that she paid for and cannot be returned to Herbalife because it is beyond the one-year return policy, according to the amended complaint. http://bit.ly/1jICOy0

    This organization http://bit.ly/1jy2RHV has far more power than the 'DSA', and I don't believe *any* of its members are going to stand for exploitation of single mothers by multi-level marketers. I'm a member who gives heavily to all the candidates listed there, and I certainly want this MLM business method made illegal.

    I'd say that ripping off Latina mothers who are in desperate financial circumstances certainly qualifies as a serious 'women's issue' that needs to be addressed via legislation rather quickly.

    Especially at a time when both parties need to be extremely concerned with both the female and Latino vote going forward.
    They simply don't have a choice now.
    Jul 20 07:22 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Sun Tzu, Insider Selling, Cherry Picking, PR Disaster And Insulting The FTC [View article]
    This is what it has come to: (From the Wall Street Journal)

    "In February, four-year-old Willagirl, which has three full-time employees, pulled its skin care line off the shelves at more than 300 stores nationwide, including Target. Its current strategy is to recruit its teen and "tween" customers to sell directly to their friends, and friends of friends."

    "Known as "Willagirls," the teens and tweens host Tupperware-like get-togethers at home, school or just about anywhere eight- to 13-year-olds hang out."

    "For Willagirl's young sales reps, the company offers 25% of total sales, for a potential monthly income of $320 to $3,500, according to a pamphlet sellers distribute at their parties. Party hosts also receive 15% of retail sales from the party in free products, plus one half-price item if party sales exceed $400."
    http://on.wsj.com/1szptjL
    ---
    There were only 9 people in my office at the time this article was brought to my attention, and every single one of them was as equally digusted by it.

    People that support MLM, this is all on you - this is what you stand for now. How you can justify it is beyond me, or any other rational human being, but I'm sure you will try and twist it somehow.

    Introducing elementary school kids to business, entrepreneurship, 'real world sales lessons'.....whatever it takes to move product right?

    This whole thing reminds me of Boko Haram's abduction of those schoolgirls in Nigeria. Everyone wants their leader, Abubakar Shekau, brough to justice, and look what we allow here in America now, under the guise of offering a 'business opportunity'...

    To 8 to 13 year old girls now!! This is just beyond sickening to me, and I can't be
    involved in discussions any longer with people who defend MLM in any way.

    I'll never be able to separate MLM supporters from this now.

    Good luck to those who fight to kill this evil monster.
    Jul 19 01:35 AM | 5 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • 'Deep Blood Kettle', Ockham's Razor, Faith And Reason [View article]
    They fail because the business opportunity is a hoax and cannot be proven on paper. Pretty simple really.

    As the FTC says:

    "It’s important to get a complete picture of how the plan works: not just how much money distributors make, but also how much time and money they spend on the plan, how long it takes before they're earning money, and how big a downline is needed to make money."

    Never trust salespeople. Ever.
    Jul 19 12:54 AM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Sun Tzu, Insider Selling, Cherry Picking, PR Disaster And Insulting The FTC [View article]
    Reel Ken,

    I thought we were dealing with this on the other post....where you claim 26 customers at full SRP will provide the $16,000 annual income.

    We can hash it out there.
    Jul 19 12:48 AM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Sun Tzu, Insider Selling, Cherry Picking, PR Disaster And Insulting The FTC [View article]
    What is wrong is that it's nowhere close to being true.

    Everyone knows people in MLM have to lie like crazy, our own government advises us about it:

    "Don’t be fooled by rags-to-riches stories or portrayals of lavish lifestyles made possible by joining the program. These stories may not represent the experiences of most members. "
    http://1.usa.gov/1roE559

    Right, don't be fooled. Because salespeople tend to lie, and marketers are even worse, and this is MULTI LEVEL MARKETING, so it's lying on whole NEW levels.
    Jul 19 12:46 AM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • 'Deep Blood Kettle', Ockham's Razor, Faith And Reason [View article]
    Cyber_trader,

    Try and stay on-topic next time. At least read the posts before commenting, k?
    Jul 19 12:40 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Sun Tzu, Insider Selling, Cherry Picking, PR Disaster And Insulting The FTC [View article]
    Herbalife is the one selling that product - they have to prove it.

    The business opportunity is a hoax. It doesn't work, and no one can prove it on paper.

    Why don't you show us how it works, Reel Ken? Using simple math and gross margins....you can't do it either.

    Interesting that you have no comment on using children to sell stupid MLM products.
    Jul 18 09:06 PM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Sun Tzu, Insider Selling, Cherry Picking, PR Disaster And Insulting The FTC [View article]
    Because we as society failed in stopping this inherently deceptive business method known as 'MLM', this is what is happening today:

    Move Over Avon Lady, the Tweens Are Here
    With Skin-Care Startup Willagirl, Middle-Schoolers Sell to Their Peers, With the Help of Social Media ( http://on.wsj.com/1szptjL )

    "Willagirl is one of a handful of startups that in the past few years have turned to business models combining e-commerce and social media with the traditional direct-sales tactics pioneered by Tupperware, Mary Kay and Avon. Most are aimed at young women. The direct-sales industry generates $32.67 billion a year in U.S. business, the Direct Selling Association estimates." http://bit.ly/1szpunO
    ---

    I always knew, from reading actual case law where various judges offer their opinions on character, that perpetrators of MLM were some of the most deceptive, arrogant, and disrespectful people on the planet, but I thought maybe, just maybe they would leave children out of it.

    Unfortunately I was wrong, and now they have come for the children.
    Jul 18 07:11 PM | 5 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Sun Tzu, Insider Selling, Cherry Picking, PR Disaster And Insulting The FTC [View article]
    "In one survey, 73% of former Members reported they joined primarily for a discount on products..."

    This is just more obfuscation to divert the public's attention from the fact that a finding of fraud does not rely on 'intent of the potential victim'.
    Jul 18 06:46 PM | 6 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Herbalife's PR Machine Is Flipping Out [View article]
    Yes, let's see what the FTC has decided lately:

    "Get this information in writing. Avoid any plan where the reward for recruiting new distributors is more than it is for selling products to the public. That’s a time-tested and traditional tip-off to a pyramid scheme."

    Also...

    "So take your time, and resist pressure to join. Be aware of shills — fake references paid by the company or distributor to pretend they were successful earning money through the plan."

    And...

    "One sign of a pyramid scheme is if distributors sell more product to other distributors than to the public — or if they make more money from recruiting than they do from selling."

    Thanks FTC!
    http://1.usa.gov/XPte41
    Jul 18 10:51 AM | 7 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Herbalife: No Retail Profit? [View article]
    DrP79,

    You have outright accused me of lying and I was being generous in asking for proof of it and not just handling it in a way that most others would have already.

    There is nothing in your reply addressing 'materially false statements'. More accusations of outright lying with absolutey no proof whatsoever.

    You've left me no choice but to handle it in more appropriate ways.
    Jul 18 06:32 AM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Herbalife: Icahn's New Friend, The End Of A Buyback Era And Why Endgame Is Near [View article]
    ninjahatori,

    "Look Carefully Kristina NO mention of 'product sold at retail'"

    Go read US v. Gold Unlimited CAREFULLY, Ninjahatori:

    "As the Omnitrition court observed, “The key to any anti-pyramiding rule ․ is that the rule must serve to tie recruitment bonuses to actual retail sales in some way.   Only in this way can the second Koscot factor be defeated.”   Omnitrition, 79 F.3d at 783."
    ....
    "Amway, 93 F.T.C. at 716 (“It is only when the newly recruited distributor begins to make wholesale purchases from his sponsor and sales to consumers, that the sponsor begins to earn money from his recruit's efforts.”)."

    That's from the case record.

    When you buy $4000 worth of F1 Shakes from Herbalife, you cannot be counted as the 'ultimate user' of all $4000 worth of product, because you are supposed to be selling most of it to the public to make a profit.
    Jul 18 03:23 AM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Herbalife: Icahn's New Friend, The End Of A Buyback Era And Why Endgame Is Near [View article]
    lol You can't be serious, right, ninjahatori? That's totally unacceptable marketing practice.
    Jul 18 03:10 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • 'Deep Blood Kettle', Ockham's Razor, Faith And Reason [View article]
    ninjahatori,

    You wrote: "but a Private Citizen cannot Directly Attack it"

    I addressed it. You're wrong. Again.

    Any company can be attacked, directly. Also indirectly, now that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that money is speech.

    You are free to absolutely destroy a whole industry now if you have the money. Totally legal.
    Jul 18 03:08 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Herbalife: Icahn's New Friend, The End Of A Buyback Era And Why Endgame Is Near [View article]
    monkey see,

    Thank you for going through all my posts and checking them diligently for errors. Also I notice that you count the number of posts I make on certain articles, which is equally quite disturbing.

    It's nice that all you could come up with so far was a mistake I made
    in referring to Herb Greenberg as 'Hank Greenberg'.

    But you made a mistake in correcting my mistake:

    Hank Greenberg, former AIG CEO did appear on CNBC, and here is the video interview: http://cnb.cx/UejuSd

    lol and lol.
    Jul 18 01:28 AM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
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