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NEVER TRUST A COMPANY THAT SUES ITSELF!
Sirius sued itself to enable protection from stock holders after merger? Sirius was actually paying professional class action brokers to sue Sirius and settle. The result would have provided a class action protection agreement barring stock holders from make future make whole remedies.
All speculation of the Rev-Split, Mo stock issue should end. This dam company is corrupt and engaged in racketeering to defraud stock holders! We have a Fed Court and Judge saying this is true
IMO, this is absolute confirmation that Mel and Sirius management are a bunch of mobster crooks. This is all going to end in a major class action and racketeering lawsuit. That is why Mel is so quite.
More info contact michael hartleib savesirius@gmail.com
IM NOT JIM CRAMER I agree with you friend. Absolutely agree….
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I voted for the Merger. I wanted the merger. I still like the merger. So I never followed this sute untill it came out that Sirius sued itself.
We can not trust a company that sues it's self to put protection on its self.
This all adds to the deception theary. We are all screwed and Mel is behind this stock tanking. He is going to pay the debt, buy us cheap and go private untill the smoke clears. Just like he did with Viacom!
VOTE NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE KICK MEL OUT
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NEVER TRUST A COMPANY THAT SUES ITSELF!
Looking close at the Hartlteib thing.
Sirius sued itself? ----------------------... michael hartleib <savesirius@gmail.c... I see that one of our members was able to get a response from Mr. Fink who suggests that he call him because there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding as Mr. Fink dismissed the case. Yes - Mr. Fink dismissed the case - BUT only after lulling us into a sense of complacency believing that our interests were going to be protected. I and others did not file an action of my own because I was in communication with Mr. Fink and he assured me that we would receive full and complete disclosure prior to the shareholder vote or if not, he would seek an injunction to stop the merger.
Instead, what happened: Mr. Fink, in the 11th hour, reached a Memorandum of Understanding to settle the complaint. People - this suit was a SHAM from its beginning. This suit was brought forward at arm's length by Sirius Satellite radio - in other words: Sirius sued themselves.
This is a practice that is much more common that people realize, but it is a dirty little secret no one wants you to know. When a company intends to screw their shareholders, or have already screwed their shareholders, they seek indemnification. What happens is - 99% of all of these suits are settled. They use professional plaintiffs that have no real interest in protecting shareholder's rights and get paid illegal monies out the back door of the law firms for their illegal participation and they will do whatever the law firm tells them to do (ie: settle for no compensation or consideration to the class and always with 10s or 100s of millions of dollars of legal fees to the attorneys). What the executives get is a settlement stipulation which in this case was a broad based far reaching Release that indemnified them for any and all mistakes, behavior, under this universe, any unknown universe, any issues that could have, might have, should have been known. In other words: TOTAL AND COMPLETE INDEMNIFICATION. You, I, or anyone else, would not have been able to sue this company for virtually anything PERIOD. This is why companies sue themselves.
Mr. Brockwell had (at today's value) $230 worth of stock, lives in a $1.3million house in Ducksberrry MA, and reaches out to a law firm in San Diego because he is so outraged he must file suit. Mr. Brockwell has also been involved in 13 other Class Action suits for this firm. PLEASE.
Attached is the 2nd Amended Complaint in which Mr. Fink tried to cover he and his firm's ass. Read the complaint carefully, you will see it is actually a well drafted complaint. What Mr. Fink did is withdraw the original complaint which was a Class Action representing our interest, redrafted this new Complaint which asserts even more egregious accusations against Mr. Karmazin and the company and again states that this merger needs to be STOPPED immediately, or shareholders will be damaged even further. Not only did he assert more egregious accusations, but he did something that at the time I did not understand why - which was refile the complaint as an INDIVIDUAL ACTION ONLY on behalf of Greg Brockwell and Terri Johnson. We now know why he did this: Because he has hired a large defense firm and an attorney by the name of Mr. Halliday, whose firm specializes in high risk high exposure cases.
Mr. Fink attempted to cover his tracks by submitting the 2nd Amended Complaint as an individual action because he understands that he was representing we the Class, he denied us our right to a fully informed vote, as well as the right to have a judge potentially stop this merger. Both rights are actionable and one could argue Mr. Fink and his firm could be held responsible for the $2.5billion in lost market cap that we have incurred as shareholders.
So, as I've stated, there is more than one avenue for us to seek damages to potentially make ourselves whole. I will provide in future correspondence (when I scan the document in) the Settlement Stipulation that was reached in this case so that you may see the broad based indemnification the executives were receiving.
I suggest you all contact Ruff Law and ask for Jeffrey P Fink 800-350-6003 or e-mail at: info@ruflaw.com and Greg Halliday (949) 852-8200 or e-mail at: greg.haliday@sdma.com . ---------------------- VOTE NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE KICK MEL OUT
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MIGHT BE SIRIUS
Your personal attack makes you look like a troll. Stop with the emotional attacks. This is a nice place to share information and opinions of all types.
Fed Court hard fact and evidance. Sirius sude itself to keep make us poor. NEVER TRUST A COMPANY THAT SUES ITSELF!
VOTE NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE KICK MEL OUT
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NEVER TRUST A COMPANY THAT SUES ITSELF!
Looking close at the Hartlteib thing.
Sirius sued itself?
Sirius sued itself to enable protection from stock holders after merger?
Hay wow, I am reading this complaint and the intervener with total amazement. Good thing the judge was wise to stop this outrage. Good thing Harlteib was intervening.
Sirius was actually paying professional class action brokers to sue Sirius and settle. The result would have provided a class action protection agreement barring stock holders from make future make whole remedies.
With information such as this and a Fed Court Judge showing absolute evidence, I can never trust Mel or Sirius!!!
More info contact michael hartleib savesirius@gmail.com
VOTE NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE KICK MEL OUT
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SIRIUSLY DEPRESSED
Waiting on information is part of what stock holders do. That is exactly why people are upset with Mel now. He has us hanging in the dark and has not protected the SP with any information, and now the justification for the proxy.
What you say about it being to late when Mel decides to give information is exactly the point. This is why he is now being called a crook and has deception theories building around him.
Do you think Mel does not know that retail radios are being smashed in the store by mad stock holders? Yes, he knows that and more. By not addressing us unwashed and unsophisticated stock holders he is driving the price down. What is motivating his behavior and silence?
The only answer we are able to hypothesize here is that he has more “bad news” or he is playing out a “deceptive stock take over plan”.
This is what happens when a CEO allows people to hypothesize alone in the dark. That said, IMO Mel is a crook. LOL…
PIG FARMER Great troll comment. We will not be speaking much. LOL…
VOTE NO, NO, NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARES KICK MEL OUT
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MIGHT BE SIRIUS
What I am trying to say is the answer you’re looking for was provided in this room by several people and several times. Most of the others answered your question a lot better than I could answer.
VOTE NO, NO, NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARES KICK MEL OUT
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MIGHT BE SIRIUS
Your optimism with Mel and Sirius even at this dark stage should be rewarded with a gold trophy from Mel’s fan club. If you keep tossing money into this leaking tank you may need the gold. I so much hope for you that the future Sirius pays off for you much better than today’s Sirius has paid for me and the rest of the old loyal and merger supporting stock holders. I hope after the rev-split eats away all our investment that you are able to swoop in and make a killing.
I am not going to rehash two days of explanations or as you put it “emotion”. I am not going to explain possible theories that are shared by so many. This room is now so full of the same information repeated that the page loads slow (hope we get new news soon so we can keep having fun before the page gets to slow). We are regressing to personal attacks and that is just frustration over this stock.
IMO most here are not taking you serious about voting yes for the Rev-Split. Most stock holders here are thinking the same, (Bad news, No news, Bad saturation, Bad Rev-split). But if you really thing a Rev Split is good than vote yes and invest all your money. In two years come back and ask me how to peal an egg.
VOTE NO, NO, NO REV-SPLIT VOTE NO MORE SHARES KICK MEL OUT AVOID SIRIUS
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MIGHT BE SIRIUS
Are you Sirius? We all would like to see this stock debt free and on the rise. But your view on the rev-split is alarming. You can't posibly be long and heavy in Sirius and vote yes for the RS. It serves no use. Are you sadistic? Do you like seeing others in pain?
Every Sirius boad has folks screeming no. Some people are so mad about the RS they are busting retail radios in the stores. Others are posting repeater locations to take Sirius off the air if RS happens. People are mad. (Don't ask for links. I will not permote violance)
Rev Split solves no problems and invites the shorts back. First correct the shorting bonds and fix the problem. Finance this debt like Mel said he would and truly can do. IMO, he is playing a power game on our heads.
If the deception theary is correct you will be next to lose.
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I hope, wish, and pray to be totally wrong about Mel. I would love to know what CROW taste like rather than lose all this.
I hope the RS was just because of the rule that was suspended before the announcement.
I was all about Mel and Sirius. I would love to see it debt free and on a role.
But this RS is just not fair. I would take a make whole remedy and vote yes. IE issue to "loyal long term investors" a 5 year bond equal to loses. Wow dream Mark dream. LOL.
But, now I have done the investigations. I have heard what was suppressed and I am devastated. I don't see Mel doing us any good.
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Yes SI62 I am sure about Viacom and Mel tanking the original company after building it on the stock holders back. He took it private until the smoke cleared, renamed and marketed a billion dollar company on stollen money.
He is doing it again to us with Sirius. I bet he has some people buying up every share dumped in the past 2 weeks. My guess is he may already controle the vote. But, I hope not.
As for BK, I said it before, because the Bond holders want to renew at 3.8% BK would not be granted by any court.
Additional, becasue Mel's history has been exposed he may change his plan a bit. If not, any funny stuff to force a BK would only add to his already exposed and liable butt. We could be in a Class Action for years. So, I hope he changes his act and soon.
MIGHT BE SIRIUS? That is fine for you. But loyal investores like me will be locked into 75.00 Min per share investments if this RS gets done.
Vote NO the the Rev Split. For the love of God please vote NO!
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Mel did all this before.
He built a solid foundation and tanked the stock. Then, he used a special Vehical to buy up the stock. Then he took it private for a few years. When the smoke cleared, Poof, you had Viacom...
Tanking Sirius was the plan. Mel is a historic and confirmed crook. We are the chumps!
If we only knew about his history...
Vote no to the Rev-Split Vote no more shares issed
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NOT EXACTLY CONFIRMED The AFES Military Exchange, the military department store HQ based in TX no longer has Sirius radios on its web site. So, I just called my girl who is a manager at Andrews Air Base Exchange. She said they were told to remove the radios on Wednesday.
Mel may have pissed off a General putting his investment in danger.
Could also be an Xmass update model coming out.
Now that is news...
VOTE NO TO THE REV-SPLIT VOTE NO TO MOE SHARE ISSUES
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Looking on other reading rooms.
Wow groups of people are MAD about this Rev-Split.
SMASHING RETAIL RADIOS? Several groups around the country are smashing Sirius radios by "accident" in the Wall Mart and Circ City. How did he put it? " Oppps it fell off the shelf. Oh my I stepped on it! " LOL!!!!
PLAN TO PULL DOWN AREA REPEATERS? Others are posting locations of the Sirius repaters. These guys are planning to rip down the radio repeaters and take Sirius off the air.
WOW! This could be getting out of controle! Mel deserves this and more. I hope they rip into his office and take his little black book of hookers.
VOTE NO TO THE REV-SPLIT VOTE NO TO MOE SHARE ISSUES
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Once Mel converts a million dedicated users/stock holders into losers and haters of Sirius, this company will be doomed for years no matter what the ticker name.
VOTE NO TO THE REV-SPLIT VOTE NO TO MOE SHARE ISSUES
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Sirius sued itself to enable protection from stock holders after merger?
Sirius was actually paying professional class action brokers to sue Sirius and settle. The result would have provided a class action protection agreement barring stock holders from make future make whole remedies.
All speculation of the Rev-Split, Mo stock issue should end. This dam company is corrupt and engaged in racketeering to defraud stock holders! We have a Fed Court and Judge saying this is true
IMO, this is absolute confirmation that Mel and Sirius management are a bunch of mobster crooks. This is all going to end in a major class action and racketeering lawsuit. That is why Mel is so quite.
More info contact michael hartleib savesirius@gmail.com
IM NOT JIM CRAMER
I agree with you friend. Absolutely agree….
Finally Some Good News for Sirius Shareholders [View article]
We can not trust a company that sues it's self to put protection on its self.
This all adds to the deception theary. We are all screwed and Mel is behind this stock tanking. He is going to pay the debt, buy us cheap and go private untill the smoke clears. Just like he did with Viacom!
VOTE NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE
KICK MEL OUT
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Looking close at the Hartlteib thing.
Sirius sued itself?
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michael hartleib <savesirius@gmail.c...
I see that one of our members was able to get a response from Mr. Fink who suggests that he call him because there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding as Mr. Fink dismissed the case. Yes - Mr. Fink dismissed the case - BUT only after lulling us into a sense of complacency believing that our interests were going to be protected. I and others did not file an action of my own because I was in communication with Mr. Fink and he assured me that we would receive full and complete disclosure prior to the shareholder vote or if not, he would seek an injunction to stop the merger.
Instead, what happened: Mr. Fink, in the 11th hour, reached a Memorandum of Understanding to settle the complaint. People - this suit was a SHAM from its beginning. This suit was brought forward at arm's length by Sirius Satellite radio - in other words: Sirius sued themselves.
This is a practice that is much more common that people realize, but it is a dirty little secret no one wants you to know. When a company intends to screw their shareholders, or have already screwed their shareholders, they seek indemnification. What happens is - 99% of all of these suits are settled. They use professional plaintiffs that have no real interest in protecting shareholder's rights and get paid illegal monies out the back door of the law firms for their illegal participation and they will do whatever the law firm tells them to do (ie: settle for no compensation or consideration to the class and always with 10s or 100s of millions of dollars of legal fees to the attorneys). What the executives get is a settlement stipulation which in this case was a broad based far reaching Release that indemnified them for any and all mistakes, behavior, under this universe, any unknown universe, any issues that could have, might have, should have been known. In other words: TOTAL AND COMPLETE INDEMNIFICATION. You, I, or anyone else, would not have been able to sue this company for virtually anything PERIOD. This is why companies sue themselves.
Mr. Brockwell had (at today's value) $230 worth of stock, lives in a $1.3million house in Ducksberrry MA, and reaches out to a law firm in San Diego because he is so outraged he must file suit. Mr. Brockwell has also been involved in 13 other Class Action suits for this firm. PLEASE.
Attached is the 2nd Amended Complaint in which Mr. Fink tried to cover he and his firm's ass. Read the complaint carefully, you will see it is actually a well drafted complaint. What Mr. Fink did is withdraw the original complaint which was a Class Action representing our interest, redrafted this new Complaint which asserts even more egregious accusations against Mr. Karmazin and the company and again states that this merger needs to be STOPPED immediately, or shareholders will be damaged even further. Not only did he assert more egregious accusations, but he did something that at the time I did not understand why - which was refile the complaint as an INDIVIDUAL ACTION ONLY on behalf of Greg Brockwell and Terri Johnson. We now know why he did this: Because he has hired a large defense firm and an attorney by the name of Mr. Halliday, whose firm specializes in high risk high exposure cases.
Mr. Fink attempted to cover his tracks by submitting the 2nd Amended Complaint as an individual action because he understands that he was representing we the Class, he denied us our right to a fully informed vote, as well as the right to have a judge potentially stop this merger. Both rights are actionable and one could argue Mr. Fink and his firm could be held responsible for the $2.5billion in lost market cap that we have incurred as shareholders.
So, as I've stated, there is more than one avenue for us to seek damages to potentially make ourselves whole. I will provide in future correspondence (when I scan the document in) the Settlement Stipulation that was reached in this case so that you may see the broad based indemnification the executives were receiving.
I suggest you all contact Ruff Law and ask for Jeffrey P Fink 800-350-6003 or e-mail at: info@ruflaw.com and Greg Halliday (949) 852-8200 or e-mail at: greg.haliday@sdma.com .
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VOTE NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE
KICK MEL OUT
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Your personal attack makes you look like a troll. Stop with the emotional attacks. This is a nice place to share information and opinions of all types.
Fed Court hard fact and evidance. Sirius sude itself to keep make us poor. NEVER TRUST A COMPANY THAT SUES ITSELF!
VOTE NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE
KICK MEL OUT
Finally Some Good News for Sirius Shareholders [View article]
Looking close at the Hartlteib thing.
Sirius sued itself?
Sirius sued itself to enable protection from stock holders after merger?
Hay wow, I am reading this complaint and the intervener with total amazement. Good thing the judge was wise to stop this outrage. Good thing Harlteib was intervening.
Sirius was actually paying professional class action brokers to sue Sirius and settle. The result would have provided a class action protection agreement barring stock holders from make future make whole remedies.
With information such as this and a Fed Court Judge showing absolute evidence, I can never trust Mel or Sirius!!!
More info contact michael hartleib savesirius@gmail.com
VOTE NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARE ISSUE
KICK MEL OUT
Finally Some Good News for Sirius Shareholders [View article]
Waiting on information is part of what stock holders do. That is exactly why people are upset with Mel now. He has us hanging in the dark and has not protected the SP with any information, and now the justification for the proxy.
What you say about it being to late when Mel decides to give information is exactly the point. This is why he is now being called a crook and has deception theories building around him.
Do you think Mel does not know that retail radios are being smashed in the store by mad stock holders? Yes, he knows that and more. By not addressing us unwashed and unsophisticated stock holders he is driving the price down. What is motivating his behavior and silence?
The only answer we are able to hypothesize here is that he has more “bad news” or he is playing out a “deceptive stock take over plan”.
This is what happens when a CEO allows people to hypothesize alone in the dark. That said, IMO Mel is a crook. LOL…
PIG FARMER
Great troll comment. We will not be speaking much. LOL…
VOTE NO, NO, NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARES
KICK MEL OUT
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What I am trying to say is the answer you’re looking for was provided in this room by several people and several times. Most of the others answered your question a lot better than I could answer.
VOTE NO, NO, NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARES
KICK MEL OUT
Finally Some Good News for Sirius Shareholders [View article]
Your optimism with Mel and Sirius even at this dark stage should be rewarded with a gold trophy from Mel’s fan club. If you keep tossing money into this leaking tank you may need the gold. I so much hope for you that the future Sirius pays off for you much better than today’s Sirius has paid for me and the rest of the old loyal and merger supporting stock holders. I hope after the rev-split eats away all our investment that you are able to swoop in and make a killing.
I am not going to rehash two days of explanations or as you put it “emotion”. I am not going to explain possible theories that are shared by so many. This room is now so full of the same information repeated that the page loads slow (hope we get new news soon so we can keep having fun before the page gets to slow). We are regressing to personal attacks and that is just frustration over this stock.
IMO most here are not taking you serious about voting yes for the Rev-Split. Most stock holders here are thinking the same, (Bad news, No news, Bad saturation, Bad Rev-split). But if you really thing a Rev Split is good than vote yes and invest all your money. In two years come back and ask me how to peal an egg.
VOTE NO, NO, NO REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO MORE SHARES
KICK MEL OUT
AVOID SIRIUS
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Are you Sirius? We all would like to see this stock debt free and on the rise. But your view on the rev-split is alarming. You can't posibly be long and heavy in Sirius and vote yes for the RS. It serves no use. Are you sadistic? Do you like seeing others in pain?
Every Sirius boad has folks screeming no. Some people are so mad about the RS they are busting retail radios in the stores. Others are posting repeater locations to take Sirius off the air if RS happens. People are mad. (Don't ask for links. I will not permote violance)
Rev Split solves no problems and invites the shorts back. First correct the shorting bonds and fix the problem. Finance this debt like Mel said he would and truly can do. IMO, he is playing a power game on our heads.
If the deception theary is correct you will be next to lose.
I am tired and over reacting a bit.
But please vote No to the Rev Split.
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I hope the RS was just because of the rule that was suspended before the announcement.
I was all about Mel and Sirius. I would love to see it debt free and on a role.
But this RS is just not fair. I would take a make whole remedy and vote yes. IE issue to "loyal long term investors" a 5 year bond equal to loses. Wow dream Mark dream. LOL.
But, now I have done the investigations. I have heard what was suppressed and I am devastated. I don't see Mel doing us any good.
Vote no to the REV-Split
Finally Some Good News for Sirius Shareholders [View article]
He is doing it again to us with Sirius. I bet he has some people buying up every share dumped in the past 2 weeks. My guess is he may already controle the vote. But, I hope not.
As for BK, I said it before, because the Bond holders want to renew at 3.8% BK would not be granted by any court.
Additional, becasue Mel's history has been exposed he may change his plan a bit. If not, any funny stuff to force a BK would only add to his already exposed and liable butt. We could be in a Class Action for years. So, I hope he changes his act and soon.
MIGHT BE SIRIUS? That is fine for you. But loyal investores like me will be locked into 75.00 Min per share investments if this RS gets done.
Vote NO the the Rev Split. For the love of God please vote NO!
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He built a solid foundation and tanked the stock. Then, he used a special Vehical to buy up the stock. Then he took it private for a few years. When the smoke cleared, Poof, you had Viacom...
Tanking Sirius was the plan. Mel is a historic and confirmed crook. We are the chumps!
If we only knew about his history...
Vote no to the Rev-Split
Vote no more shares issed
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The AFES Military Exchange, the military department store HQ based in TX no longer has Sirius radios on its web site. So, I just called my girl who is a manager at Andrews Air Base Exchange. She said they were told to remove the radios on Wednesday.
Mel may have pissed off a General putting his investment in danger.
Could also be an Xmass update model coming out.
Now that is news...
VOTE NO TO THE REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO TO MOE SHARE ISSUES
Finally Some Good News for Sirius Shareholders [View article]
Wow groups of people are MAD about this Rev-Split.
SMASHING RETAIL RADIOS?
Several groups around the country are smashing Sirius radios by "accident" in the Wall Mart and Circ City. How did he put it? " Oppps it fell off the shelf. Oh my I stepped on it! " LOL!!!!
PLAN TO PULL DOWN AREA REPEATERS?
Others are posting locations of the Sirius repaters. These guys are planning to rip down the radio repeaters and take Sirius off the air.
WOW! This could be getting out of controle! Mel deserves this and more. I hope they rip into his office and take his little black book of hookers.
VOTE NO TO THE REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO TO MOE SHARE ISSUES
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VOTE NO TO THE REV-SPLIT
VOTE NO TO MOE SHARE ISSUES