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The Hypocrisy and High Stakes of Healthcare Reform

Your friends suffer from "trained flea syndrome" put some fleas in a jar and put the lid on, when they jump to get out you hear them thump their heads on the lid, eventually the thumping stops because they learned not to jump so high that they hit their heads, so they remain in the jar content just not to hit their head anymore.

You friends are in slaved by their government, now your friends are all looking at reduced services because their health insurance cost to the government are to high, your friends are part and partial to the collapse of their economies because they rely on government to wipe their noses, lets see how they react when the cuts many EU nations have said they will be making, riots in the street because without government to provide for them they are lost souls


On Oct 22 10:13 AM Mike from NYC wrote:

> I thought the healthcare issue has never been framed correctly. Like
> any other legal argument presented to challenge a ruling the framing
> of the legal issue is the key. So I posit this:
>
> Should healthcare be another industry for profit making? Is it moral
> for profits to be made on healthcare? I'm not talking about 'reasonable'
> salaries and costs, but whether or not shareholders and others (such
> as the chief officers of the companies) should profit from the delivery
> of healthcare, thus raising the cost of healthcare for all?
>
> Most of my foreign friends are appalled that healthcare is just another
> profit making industry and are also appalled that a nation as rich
> as the USA does not provide healthcare for all.

The Hypocrisy and High Stakes of Healthcare Reform

You said " All you're proposing is keeping the status quo while taxpayers hand even more money over to the health insurance companies responsible for this mess of a system. "

You seem to believe that the Government played no part in this health care debacle and by your remarks obviously believe Government is the only solution.

"Neither light nor glasses will help those that refuse to see"


On Oct 22 08:21 AM Shaftsinker wrote:

> "If food stamps were run like a public option, then the Feds would
> tell the consumer what brand of bacon to buy, how often he could
> buy it, and what store he was required to use. How long would anyone
> stand for that?"
>
> This typical over the top fear-mongering is exactly what this debate
> doesn't need. A public option simply means the government foots the
> bill for your care and not your health insurance company.
>
> In fact this point is completely ridiculous because for procedures
> like surgeries your health insurance company will tell you which
> hospital you can and can't use, whereas in Canada they're the ones
> who are allowed to shop for different surgeons and get second opinions
> at will (they have their own issues of course but I'm just rebutting
> that one point).
>
> Not to mention a cash allowance does nothing to improve the service
> of lower tier health insurance, for example getting coverage for
> pre-existing conditions. A public option is not only for people who
> can't afford health insurance, but also for people who can't get
> adequate coverage from the health insurance they can afford.
>
> All you're proposing is keeping the status quo while taxpayers hand
> even more money over to the health insurance companies responsible
> for this mess of a system.

The Hypocrisy and High Stakes of Healthcare Reform

You know there are plenty of reasons to dislike all aspects of health care reform as it currently is being discussed even though most Americans believe reform is needed. The reason is all discussions between the industry and the Government have absolutely nothing to do with reforming health care, its all about how to save their own asses. SA has some very insightful thoughts about reforming health care but to what end, the Fed Gov (Rep & Dem) made up its mind many decades ago, each with their own agenda, unfortunately the liberals currently hold all the cards so they dictate the end game, Tax payers are the only ones without a seat at the negotiation table. Think about it, who is really listening to Americans, nobody thats who, the deals have been struck, the die has been cast, its not about getting it right it all about getting it done, because once done the ensuing tangle that it creates will be impossible to undo. Both parties know this and both are OK with it because its not about us its all about them.

"Better an honest enemy than a false friend"