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Four Reasons Peter Schiff Is Wrong

so now we're gonna tug o war over whos wrong and who's more wrong about what's wrong. Man! it's always one distraction tangent after another. no wonder these seated people can get away with so much underhanded shiftiness. we're all too busy goin' at each other even when we get to the bottom of the problem.

Being Wrong for Five Years Makes Peter Schiff Right Now?

the way it should always be done. don't prop up your buddies because you'd no longer have someone to have a beer with. the business of serving lackies has to stop. the auto industry went greedy headless on the electric car and now we are here, many valuable years later at a loss of tweak time, enhancement time and pretty much just pure innovative development, because people in positions close their minds and cackle like school girls at fresh ideas.
I repeat what sr9web said: "it pays to read and consider a wide variey of views on a ongoing basis." considering the banquet guest list just sticks you in the mud and these fields confuse acquaintances with friends all the time


On Nov 20 04:53 PM sr9web wrote:

> To the author: Don't be a sap... Nobody is saying one should have
> blindly followed Schiff. Rather, what one should do is is let each
> reco rise and fall on its on merits. Schiff correctly pointed out
> towards this current crisis and he did so in a timely manner. That's
> why it pays to read and consider a wide variey of views on a ongoing
> basis.

Being Wrong for Five Years Makes Peter Schiff Right Now?

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

Being Wrong for Five Years Makes Peter Schiff Right Now?

wait a minute!.........this is the period he's sounding the alarm on. these are the first stepping stones to the apex of the monstrosity and you try to veer to some kind of disparaging clarity against Schiff??? and so stock-ing is all about thievery?? even when you knew better, you still engaged in "take the money and run" practices. all the gains that you elude to were wealth on paper or in theory.
it was credit then and its credit now. the paper worth. fool's gold. these are the years of the thief 1997-2007 with Enron as the big bust and being the caper that exposed the whole mess (thieves art) of cooking books. It was all misleading as you are doing now with this mother goose tale of a story.

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

I really, really agree with this


On Nov 18 05:58 PM consumeronstrike wrote:

> I'm back. The restaurant cook making about $9 an hour ( and happy
> with his job). Would like to address a few 'joe sixpacks" who
> wonder how they're hurting any one else with their outsized wages.

>
> Companies pass on these costs to consumers. The consumer price index,
> our primary measure of inflation, goes up. You, of course, get
> your cost-of-living increases which you negotiated into your contract.
> So the purchasing power of your selfish overpaid butt is still intact.
> But the rest of us, which happen to be in the majority, didn't participate
> in the mechanism that just drove prices up, even though our money
> is now worth less, too. You drive prices up for all of us then
> protect yourself from the resulting inflation. By doing so all
> you've done is maintain the purchasing power of your oversized paycheck
> while at the same time you made the other 80% of us poorer. We
> are unwilling passengers along for a ride that only benefits you.

>
> Like I said above...what if we were all union workers? Welcome
> to socialism. Our political leaders can do nothing. I personally
> wouldn't want any politician I happen to be rooting for to throw
> his career away by taking on the unions. Nevertheless, you're time
> will soon be up. A lot of people are getting really mad. So as
> the end approaches go on strike to your heart's content. You'll
> get no concessions from the people who are so fed up with what you've
> been doing to us that we won't buy your stuff, And the bailout?
> Won't matter in the long run.

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

I really really agree with this


On Nov 18 05:58 PM consumeronstrike wrote:

> I'm back. The restaurant cook making about $9 an hour ( and happy
> with his job). Would like to address a few 'joe sixpacks" who
> wonder how they're hurting any one else with their outsized wages.

>
> Companies pass on these costs to consumers. The consumer price index,
> our primary measure of inflation, goes up. You, of course, get
> your cost-of-living increases which you negotiated into your contract.
> So the purchasing power of your selfish overpaid butt is still intact.
> But the rest of us, which happen to be in the majority, didn't participate
> in the mechanism that just drove prices up, even though our money
> is now worth less, too. You drive prices up for all of us then
> protect yourself from the resulting inflation. By doing so all
> you've done is maintain the purchasing power of your oversized paycheck
> while at the same time you made the other 80% of us poorer. We
> are unwilling passengers along for a ride that only benefits you.

>
> Like I said above...what if we were all union workers? Welcome
> to socialism. Our political leaders can do nothing. I personally
> wouldn't want any politician I happen to be rooting for to throw
> his career away by taking on the unions. Nevertheless, you're time
> will soon be up. A lot of people are getting really mad. So as
> the end approaches go on strike to your heart's content. You'll
> get no concessions from the people who are so fed up with what you've
> been doing to us that we won't buy your stuff, And the bailout?
> Won't matter in the long run.

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

checkmate!

On Nov 14 03:31 PM Geoff Considine wrote:

> Wow--what a dialog. Its a pity people can't keep it more civil.
> Anyway, the point that everyone seems to be missing is this. The
> taxpayer is going to bail out GM and Ford because they are going
> to go bankrupt otherwise. I own a small business. If I don't make
> a product people want at a price they can pay, I will go out of business.
> This is the way of the world. If a company cannot make a product
> that makes them economically viable, they should fail. Period.
> If GM and Ford could pay their workers $300K a year and still stay
> in business, more power to them! This is not about "fairness" of
> wages--its about the way that a business can survive. If GM and
> Ford can't survive the way they do business, they need to change
> how they do business or fail. I hate the idea that we are going
> to tax waitresses, and teachers, and nurses, and construction workers,
> and everyone else more in order to subsidize GM and Ford. That just
> seems wrong to me. I have worked my butt off in starting my small
> business but I would not expect a government handout to stay in business---these
> auto companies are essentially saying they deserve to be on welfare.
> If a company is failing, they need to do many things--perhaps one
> thing is to lower salaries and bonuses to workers and management.
> This is basic common sense.
>
> We, as taxpayers, should not debate whether the auto workers are
> "worth" their salaries. This is the whole problem with the government
> bailout. Workers justify their salaries by helping a company turn
> a profit. That should be the basis for salaries. If the companies
> cannot turn a profit, they need to work it out themselves or fail.

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

$73 an hour is vital evidence with "what is wrong this picture" the cost of living goes up so workers strike for "more" all across the board. the "delivery man" needs more. the corner Laundry/Cleaners needs more. waitresses and cooks crosswalk guards. the escalation it goes on and on and up. free markets place the best interests first. "YOUR" best interest, in regards to "YOUR" company. who in their right mind would jeopardize "THEIR" best interests? what business wants to drive away business? free markets are self regulating and the only time they become corrupt is when they make moves on monopolization. The people have learned another lesson. you don't just snatch roses, you don't walk barefoot through broken glass and you don't just gulp down boiling water.


On Nov 18 08:39 AM sabbadoo32 wrote:

> $73.20/hr is a red herring. The two real issues facing Detroit are
> health care and shifting the industry to hybrid and electric vehicles.
>
>
> Nationalizing health care would guarantee quality health care for
> all, and cut that hourly wage number, giving Detroit an additional
> ability to compete. I say additional, because they could have shifted
> to hybrid and electric 3 years ago. They could have beaten Toyota
> to market or been second with that model car.
>
> Some of Detroit's problems weren't visited upon them by the baaad
> unions or the shifty Japanese. It was a result of their own laziness.
>

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

check!


On Nov 15 10:30 AM Jan Rogozinski wrote:

> I sure won't read anything by Perry again. As others have pointed
> out, the workers work, and they make something. The $5,000 an hour
> self-proclaimed geniuses at AIG, Morgan Stanley, Citi, neither work
> nor make anything. All they do is lose billions.
>
> But that's not the point. The point is bankruptcy will end the car
> manufacturers in the US. Including many of the Jape plants that
> pay slave wages. (The good guys and the Japes have many of the same
> suppliers.) No one will buy a car from a bankrupt company that might
> not be around to make parts for repairs.
>
> The day they declare bankruptcy, the Dow will be down 2,000 points.
> Soon after, unemployment will go to 30 percent between the auto workers,
> auto suppliers, and all the people they support with there purchases.
> The crash in consumer confidence will drive it to 40 or 50 percent.
> At the end the Dow will be down to 20.
>
> Ultimately, the US govt deficit will be so large, that the US govt
> will have to default. You see, dumb-dumb, folk without jobs--and
> auto retirees whose pensions have stopped-- dint' pay income taxes,
> folks without income don't Pu any thing, so they don't pay sales
> taxes. Without income, they won't be able to pay property taxes.

>
>
> it's not a question of "fairness." It's a question of the US surviving.
> Anyone that opposes giving the auto companies whatever they need
> to keep going--anyone that does so has an IQ in negative numbers.

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

Check!


On Nov 16 11:22 PM consumeronstike wrote:

> Tell ya what. I'm a restaurant cook making about $9 an hour. No
> complaint there, that happens to be pretty good money where I live
> for what I happen to do. I think I'll wake up tomorrow and decide
> I want more. I ought to get $20 an hour, full medical and dental,
> and a big pension plan and all the Viagra I want if that's what I
> want. Just like you autoworkers. My boss, who has always been
> real good to me, will surely understand. She'll just have to raise
> the cost of a hamburger to around $20 to pay us restaurant workers
> the same proportionate amount above what the market will bear that
> you union idiots are getting. Touble is, you actually can't understand
> why we, the rest of the country, have a problem with it. Now, after
> she raises the cost of a hamburger to around $20 ans still has problems
> making ends meet after covering our health care and pension demands,
> maybe she can stave off bankruptcy for awhile by issuing bonds till
> she eventually owes 25 times what the restaurant is worth. Then,
> when she's finally mentally and finacially exhausted to the point
> that she has to give in and contemplate bankruptcy because she's
> at the end of her rope, our idiot union rep can issue press releases
> blaming the economy and stating that there will be " no more concessions
> ". If any of this rings a bell it sure as hell ought to.
> What if we all were union workers? Welcome to the fantasyland.
>
> Your biggest problem today isn't defending yourselves. Most of
> us out here in the real world won't buy it. Your biggest problem
> today is that these aren't just isolated coversations among scattered
> groups of people grumbling around a water-cooler any more. Your
> biggest problem is that millions of people are probably reading this
> that feel the same way.
> We know there's no stopping the bailout, if there is to be one.
> I'm sure most of us even know we can't even blame the politicians
> for not letting the auto industry go even though they may be starting
> to figure out that's what the majority of us want. Tired of your
> parasitic little empire we may be, but it is still far too much of
> a political risk to take on the unions. I understand that, and
> I hope everyone else does, too. Where does that leave us? Millions
> of people might be reading this, all thinking the same thing. "
> OK. Bail them out if you have to. We can't help what they do with
> the taxes they take from us. But not one penny of the money I get
> to keep is ever going to be part of one of those ridiculously big
> paychecks again ". We are the people. And the people don't have
> to fear losing your votes - you only have to fear losing our dollars.
> You might just think about getting real. And oh- by the way- did
> you notice? Correct grammar and no misspelled words? I doubt
> it. Your education level shows. And you think you have skills
> commensurate with pay and benefits worth $50,000 a year? Sorry.
> Hard work doesn't make you worth that. I haven't always been a
> cook. Many people work hard. Some of the hardest work there is
> doesn't pay well. It may not be fair, but that's a truth most people
> who don't live in Michigan's parasitic litlle UAW empire have come
> to learn. Most of us do NOT manage to get a job like that right
> out of high school, retire at fifty to a big fat pension with medical
> for life, after already having made more money than most other people
> of equal skills and equal ability to work hard in the rest of the
> country will make working til we're - well, too old to work. So
> as the end approaches go on strike all you want. You'll get no
> concessions from the people who are fed up with you to the point
> that we won't buy your stuff. Look on the bright side. Pretty
> soon you might have some free time on your hands. Maybe you can
> read a book once in a while.

Should We Really Bail Out the Big Three Automakers with $73.20 Per Hour Labor?

Man I can hear most of you guys. seriously, if the US Auto industry is to stand a chance, they'd better look into "Smartcar and the Nano" type cars. one of you gave a scenario of changing a tire 250 times a day, but failed to mention the automation factor with electric bolt drivers (whatever they're called). America can't continue with those types of wages indefinitely. Nike's got $2 shoes being made selling for i guess $500% at retail outlets??? I can see laborer bonuses, but not this. if a company makes good one year yeah share the wealth, but there is a ceiling that can't be fabricated to look like it's no longer there