303820

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

THE DELAYED PRIUS PLANT!!!


On Jun 24 12:07 PM Georgen wrote:

> No new plants are opening in the Carolinas

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

I BUY MADE IN AMERICA, WHERE MADE IN AMERICA IS AVAILABLE!


On Jun 24 11:25 AM naidle wrote:

> So with your unwavering patriotism I can only assume you are angered
> by how cheap the goods are in your neighborhood? Or am I to assume
> that you only buy local or everything from clothes to toilet seats?
>
>
>

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

THE COMPANY PENSION THAT MY UNION NEGOTIATED FOR ME WHICH B.T.W. IS FULLY FUNDED...ASK THOSE TOYOTA WORKERS HOW'S THEIR 401K DOING HAHAHAHAH?


On Jun 23 05:58 PM jhartz wrote:

> What union pension? What makes you think the union invested your
> money any better than our 401K managers invested ours? From what
> I've been hearing, the biggest pension plans are all hoping top get
> Uncle Sugar to make good on the underfunded liabilities that now
> make up their retirement plans.
>
> Go to Florida because houses are real cheap right now. You should
> be able to make enough scrounging the beach dumpsters for recyclable
> aluminum cans and plastic bottles to make your house payment. Better
> yet, stay in Michigan where abandoned housing is practically free.
>

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

1987 CHEVY CAVALIER Z24 NEVER LET...ME...DOWN. 189,000ML.AND STILL GOING...BYE..BYE...TOY...

On Jun 23 06:40 PM Ponce wrote:

> "Buy it today and you will drive it tomorrow for Toyora is here to
> stay"......Ponce
>
> Proud owner of a 1992 4 cylinders small pick up Toyota..... grease
> the front bearings once a year, change the oil every 5,000 miles,
> three sets of tires and two batteries... it has NEVER let me down........Any
> American made car that can claim the same?

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

LEARN HOW TO READ...ITS A COMMENT FROM A TOYOTA OWNER!!!!


On Jun 23 05:06 PM Brad Johnson wrote:

> Wait a minute!
>
> I thought people that bought non-UAW made cars were destroying this
> country, at least that's been your rant the entire time.
>
> What on Earth possessed you to buy a Toyota! I guess you don't practice
> what you preach.
>
>
> BTW, I call bullsh!t on the whole story.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

I REST MY CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On Jun 23 10:45 AM Pstoneki wrote:

> No. My father was the plant manager of a Pontiac plant in the 1970's.
> One of his friends was the plant manager of Flint Truck and Bus.
> Another was the plant manager of Lansing Car Assembly. I started
> on the line installing IPs in Sevilles and Eldorados at Hamtramck
> in 1990. Then installing interior trim at LCA. Went to college, learned
> shop floor controls, then went to work at Buick City before moving
> to Truck and Bus. Then moved on to Nissan in Tennessee.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

You must be one of those fat cats on wall street who only cares about the fat in your wallet...about the lowering of our wages...get rid of our benefits...so you can get fatter @ the expenses of the American working stiffs...you must be a pencil pusher who thinks that US little people shouldn't have a saying...we should just be happy to have a job...do you want some cheese with your wine?


On Jun 23 12:55 PM rgbscan wrote:

> Hey, offtopic, but I might as well ask. Is there a way to block comments
> from specific users? I seriously don't need to ever hear anything
> again from "303820" :-)

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

LET ME ADD TO MY FACTS...THE NEW TOYOTA PLANT IN SOUTH/NORTH? CAROLINA HAS ALL READY INFORMED ITS NEW HIRES THAT THEY WON'T PAY THE NORMAL $25HR...IN ORDER TO COMPETE WITH UAW'S NEW WAGES OF $14HR!!!
www.nlcnet.org/article...



On Jun 23 10:44 AM Georgen wrote:

> I live in Greenville, SC near the BMW plant, and I worked for one
> of the plant's supliers before I retired, so I know your figures
> are totally off. My company also supplied several Toyota plants in
> the USA. BMW pays $26 plus a bonus. Contract workers are always less
> than 10% of production workers. To avoid layoffs in this downturn,
> ALL contract workers were let go and their jobs assumed by the regulars.
> With bonuses, Toyota in Kentucky paid hourly wages near $30 an hour.
> Medical benefits are excellent. Kia in Georgia will pay $20 an hour
> after 2 years service. One big difference is that retirement is generally
> at age 60 or 65, like most of us, not as early as 50. The UAW albatross
> will be American companies undoing. This schem is just a stopgap
> on their eventual journey to demise.
>
> On Jun 23 09:33 AM 303820 wrote:

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

YOU HAVE NEVER WORKED ON ANY ASSEMBLY LINE..YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THE INSIDE OF AN ASSEMBLY LINE...SEVERAL GM PLANTS? YOU JUST SHOW UP AND THEY HIRE YOU?


On Jun 23 10:10 AM Pstoneki wrote:

> Who cares what the Mexican's make? Their cost of living is much lower
> than the US. After all, they don't have a need to buy a big fishing
> boat, snow machines, 4 wheelers, and a giant truck to pull them around
> like most of the Big 3 assembly folks I know. Apples to oranges comparison.
> Let's face it - we pay unskilled trades a lot of money when, often,
> the complexity of the work does not warrant it. I've worked on the
> line in several GM plants. Beyond the mind-numbing boredom induced
> by doing the same thing every day the job was not hard and did not
> require any advanced education. We should be paying people based
> on the unique skills they bring to the job and the value they add
> to a process.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

Add me to the list of very disappointed first-time/last-time Toyota owners. We bought a 2003 Avalon in August 2006 with 20,000 miles. We were told by our mechanic last weekend that there was sludge in the engine. We were told that even though it is a 2002 engine, it is not covered under the class action. We were further told that we could try talking to a Toyota dealer but that there was nothing Toyota was willing to do for us.

Told new engine would cost 4000. Mechanic advised junking it.

Robin of Mansfield, MA February 23, 2009




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On Jun 23 09:58 AM Pstoneki wrote:

> I'll second that. My 1987 FJ60 has 250k on the original engine and
> transmission. Bought it used in 1990 to replace my 1975 FJ40. The
> Toyota has been extremely reliable, if rather slow and thristy. And
> it has led a very hard life since it has spent a lot of its life
> off road. My wife's Mexican-built 2004 3/4 ton 4x4 Suburban lasted
> 2 years and 30k miles before it completely fell apart. After the
> dealership spent 6 months of the 24 months I owned it to fix everything
> (atleast what was broken at the time) we dumped it. Unfortunately,
> because something different broke each time we were not able to get
> it declared a lemon. So we sold it for a $40k loss.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

$55hr PLUS health care and pension? where the hell do you get your info...get your facts straight before you post your bogus cr@p. have you ever worked in an assembly line? have ever worked?...our wages are $28hr...our new hires make $14hr since we're asked from the Toyota republicans to compete with the slave wages of the Asian transplants
the American union auto workers and other union's wages have contributed more taxes to the local,state, and federal governments then your non union wages ever will.
Washington's help? who helped corporate America sell our jobs to the lowest bidder? at list this president is trying to save some of our jobs...perhaps that bothers you!!!


On Jun 23 07:58 AM Tom o'Bedlam wrote:

> It's the greedy corrupt American unions and the greedy hidebound
> Detroit executives that have ruined America.
>
> $55 an hour plus lifetime pension and health care to work on the
> line? $53 million salary? Come on, guy, open your eyes and quit swallowing
> that union and corporate bull. Did you really think Jimmy Hoffa was
> pulling for you?
>
> The American automakers have taken the US for a ride for 50 years,
> and now with Washington's help it will continue.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

Ford, GM and Chrysler import about 25% of their cars from Mexico and Korea...the Asians import about 80% of what they sell here.
You're comparing a compact car...prius...with a mid-size car...fusion...typical anti american!!!
BTW...Mexican auto workers make under $2hr!


On Jun 23 09:29 AM jimdaddy wrote:

> Well i went shopping to buy American and checked out the Ford Fusion
> and the Fusion Hybred. Guess what? Every one and they had plenty
> were manufactured in Hermossillo (sic)Mexico. Ok instead of paying
> an American $55.00 an hour with benefits, Ford pays Mexicans around
> $5.00 an hour and medical is picked up by the Govt. The Fusion hybred
> was $31,000.00+ and the Top of the line Toyota Prius made in Japan
> and shipped thousands of miles instead of 100's of miles is several
> thousand less. The least expensive is 22k. Ford, Gm, and Chrysler
> are making hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of vehicles in Mexico
> and calling their cars American.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

First : my facts come from the most anti-union paper in USA the wall street journal.
second: Detroit car quality is as good if not better then the Asian rust boxes...read up on their bogus quality and gas mileage!
third: wages of foreign transplants in the USA are as fallow...Toyota and Honda pay 30% of their workers $10/12hr and no benefits...they are contract workers...the pay for the rest is $25hr little health care and no pension.
KIA, HYUNDAI, BMW AND VW PAY $14/16HR little health care and no pension.
Forth: government cheese? hahah I'll enjoy my union pension in sunny Florida while you and the rest of the non union slaves will work till you're 90!!!!

BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU...KEEP BUYING THOSE FOREIGN RUST BOXES!!!


On Jun 23 03:07 AM Brad Johnson wrote:

> What a union shill. And your FACTS are way off, you've even contradicted
> yourself in your own posts.
>
> The FACT is that GM and Chrysler made JUNK, so they went bankrupt.
> People wanted to buy better cars, so they went elsewhere. It's not
> a difficult concept.
>
> Americans no longer wanted to buy their crap, so the United Auto
> Workers had to get politicians in Washington to make Americans give
> them money through taxes.
>
> The fact is, these import brands are employing tens of thousands
> American workers with high wages and benefits, and their building
> a better product. What makes you made is these workers aren't paying
> Union dues.
>
> Too bad your beloved GM and Chrysler will once again fail, enjoy
> your government cheese while it lasts.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

fact#1 The Asians import 80% of what they sell in this country
Fact#2 the Asian's cars assembled in America contain on average less then 50% American made parts...compare to Detroit 80+%.
fact#3 UAW wages pay more taxes then any other factory worker in the USA....LEACHES? LOOK IN THE MIRROR WHEN YOU GET UP.
FACT#4 the leaches buying foreign cars and trucks are the once bankrupting this country...by taking away jobs and our tax base.
And last...I won't buy a imported car or truck whether is GM, FORD or any one else!

On Jun 22 09:12 PM Alfredo Martinez wrote:

> You need to do more research.
>
> GM currently manufactures the engine for the "American" Chevrolet
> Equinox in China:
> www.nytimes.com/2008/0...
>
>
> GM plans to outsource even more production for the American market
> to China:
> apnews.myway.com/artic...
>
> The "Asian" brands are still rated the most reliable by Consumer
> Reports. GM and Chrysler finished last in reliability:
> money.cnn.com/2008/10/...
>
>
> The only thing that's bankrupting our government are incompetent
> car companies like GM and Chrysler that need corporate welfare in
> order to compete. The UAW is a taxpayer leach.

Why I'd Avoid Toyota, The #1 Automaker in the U.S.

First: the Asians import 80% of what they sell in this country from Japan, Korea, and Mexico.
second: GM does not build autos in china for the USA market.
Third: they aren't fleecing the American tax payers? where do you think sen. Shelby and his Toyota republicans got the $ 3 billion in grants that the Asians got to build their factories to undercut the union workers of America?
BE PART OF THE PROBLEM...KEEP BUYING THOSE RUST BOXES...IT WILL HELP BANKRUPT OUR LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS...

On Jun 22 06:12 PM Alfredo Martinez wrote:

> Long term, GM and Chrysler will one again go bankrupt as soon as
> politicians turn off the spigot of taxpayer dollars. Government ownership
> doesn't work, period. Companies like AmTrak continue to lose billions,
> their success is purely determined by how much taxpayer pork their
> high-paid team of lobbyists can obtain.
>
> It's the same dynamic for GM and Chrysler. With the public increasingly
> opposed to corporate bailouts, I wouldn't count on GM and Chrysler
> to be solvent in the coming years.
>
> Companies like Toyota and Honda have become dominant simply because
> they manufacture a higher quality product that consumers actually
> want to buy. Consumers have voted with their dollars. This trend
> will only continue as consumers are increasingly turned off by bankrupt
> Government Motors' and Chrysler's poor quality and taxpayer funded
> bailouts.
>
> The "Asian" car companies are manufacturing more "American" cars
> than the Big 3. Chrysler builds a large amount of vehicles for the
> US market in Mexico and GM is building more and more in China. American
> consumers are able to get a high quality, american made product from
> the Japanese, and these companies aren't fleecing Americans by stealing
> taxpayer dollars. Sounds like a win-win to me.
>
> These taxpayer bailouts were more about bailing out the UAW than
> they were about saving American jobs, and as long as the UAW runs
> the show at the Big 3, they're destined for failure.