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• We're already running BES 10 as well BB10 devices and while RIM is using EAS for sync, they still use their NOC for secure routing and encryption of traffic. Due to EAS the "push" is definitely slower but the difference for BB10 devices is RIM still controls the whole stack with BB10 so they can provide more management than Apple and Android (which really provides nothing) So why is the NOC any better ? they had it go down many times and is a single point of failure and most don’t want it or need a NOC service any more • RIM will also have a host of options depending on need for mobile management. So do most of the others • - Don't have any needs - great they support EAS now and you can use Exchange for basic controls Then they are no different than any other MDM players • - Don't want to use Blackberry devices - sure their MDM is comparable to anything on the market and cheaper. There is no secret sauce when you manage iOS or Android as they have the same API set Apple and Google release. Again then they are no different than any other MDM players • Want further security and sandbox your data on iOS / Android - they have a container much like other MDM Please explain their container for iOS & Android, because I see no info on this Sandbox client from RIM for non BB devices, Take a look at divide.com sandbox client and this is where the future of BYOD (Business/Personal)with ASE 256 encryption and FIPS 140-2 • Have security needs beyond iOS/Android - BB10 has most of what legacy BB provided and improvements over BES (enterprise App Store, Balance etc). For Example what Security improvements do they have beyond EAS 14.1
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I hear so many people talk of RIM's rock solid security email, but few remember this is and was all based on BES servers, and BB10 / BES10 will all be based on EAS for email and PIM, so does this not level the playing field and make them no different then all the other MDM vendors?
You also have to look at the amount of cash they are bleeding per quarter and not how much they have on hand which will be burnt up in a very short period of time if BB 10 does not sell as they hope it will!
Please explain more as to what you are talking about? There are secure email clients that run on iOS,Android, Symbian, WP7 and they are designed to not allow usage if a device is rooted or jailbroken. They use Active Directory and or Domino LDAP for authentication and are not based on native device authentication. Good Technologies, Excitor, LRW, and FIXMO. So all I am saying here is the BES Secure Email client that runs on BB devices needs to be ported to these other devices and then RIM would be a strong contender in the BYOD market. ActiveSync is pushing secure email solutions to the side, partly because people do not understand the value in the separation of consumer / corporate email. I hope this helps with my points because I have been in the email / mobile email business for more then 15 years.
You missed the point ! You are clueless BES and MF will be dead in a few years if not sooner! Yes ActiveSync is native and that was not what I was talking about. No MDM API, so other vendors like Zenprise, MobileIron etc.. cannot manage a BB10 device, so who wants that in their enterprise! But I guess if you work for RIM you will defend them to the end no matter what
"There may be a slight chance that RIMM can pull off a reinvention. Nevertheless, I don't have any ideas about how such a rebirth would occur." Let's name it : BlackBerry 10 + Business Enterprise Server 10
Do you not understand what BYOD has done to BES5 - BES10 ? It is killing their BES Business (FE: yahoo). If and only if RIM had added support for BYOD to BES then maybe, but instead they bought another MDM and called it Mobile Fusion and somehow are trying to say it is what the customers need and want. LOL Customers used BES for its corporate secure email on BB devices, but BYOD has changed everthing and customers now are happy with ActiveSync and other MDM vendors.
Nokia tried to intergrate 2 products and it was a flop Nokia Intellisync MDM and Nokia OMA-DM with a semi shared Admin console.
Let me add one more think that no one talks about:
According to RIIM there will be no BB10 OS API when they release it in Q12013, so all the other MDM Vendors have no way to manage BB10 OS devices, so forget these companies from allowing a (BYOD BB10 device) in their corporate network!
I am glad to hear someone who knows a little about mobility, the BES email app would have kept BES & RIM alive if they had opened it up to run on iOS & Android, but just like they have done in the past they thought and are still thinking they have a lot of loyal customer just waiting for BB10, Those customers are leaving as fast as they can find and install a new solution and Mobile Fusion is not enough to keep them around
Agree 150% and if just half of these people who write anything worked in this industry and followed high tech history then they would see that RIM is standingg on the edge.
My gut feeling is BB10 OS is to little to late, and WP8 will be #3 OS.
RIM has just made too many mistakes over the last few years and when every they come out with new news it is another foot in their mouth. You cannot live on a closed system forever as BES still is and Mobile Fusion is not enought to save them.
Can Nokia Pull Ahead Of Research In Motion? [View article]
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So why is the NOC any better ? they had it go down many times and is a single point of failure and most don’t want it or need a NOC service any more
• RIM will also have a host of options depending on need for mobile management.
So do most of the others
• - Don't have any needs - great they support EAS now and you can use Exchange for basic controls
Then they are no different than any other MDM players
• - Don't want to use Blackberry devices - sure their MDM is comparable to anything on the market and cheaper. There is no secret sauce when you manage iOS or Android as they have the same API set Apple and Google release.
Again then they are no different than any other MDM players
• Want further security and sandbox your data on iOS / Android - they have a container much like other MDM
Please explain their container for iOS & Android, because I see no info on this Sandbox client from RIM for non BB devices, Take a look at divide.com sandbox client and this is where the future of BYOD (Business/Personal)with ASE 256 encryption and FIPS 140-2
• Have security needs beyond iOS/Android - BB10 has most of what legacy BB provided and improvements over BES (enterprise App Store, Balance etc).
For Example what Security improvements do they have beyond EAS 14.1
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Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
You also have to look at the amount of cash they are bleeding per quarter and not how much they have on hand which will be burnt up in a very short period of time if BB 10 does not sell as they hope it will!
Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
BES and MF will be dead in a few years if not sooner!
Yes ActiveSync is native and that was not what I was talking about. No MDM API, so other vendors like Zenprise, MobileIron etc.. cannot manage a BB10 device, so who wants that in their enterprise!
But I guess if you work for RIM you will defend them to the end no matter what
Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
"There may be a slight chance that RIMM can pull off a reinvention. Nevertheless, I don't have any ideas about how such a rebirth would occur."
Let's name it : BlackBerry 10 + Business Enterprise Server 10
Do you not understand what BYOD has done to BES5 - BES10 ?
It is killing their BES Business (FE: yahoo). If and only if RIM had added support for BYOD to BES then maybe, but instead they bought another MDM and called it Mobile Fusion and somehow are trying to say it is what the customers need and want. LOL Customers used BES for its corporate secure email on BB devices, but BYOD has changed everthing and customers now are happy with ActiveSync and other MDM vendors.
Nokia tried to intergrate 2 products and it was a flop
Nokia Intellisync MDM and Nokia OMA-DM with a semi shared Admin console.
Let me add one more think that no one talks about:
According to RIIM there will be no BB10 OS API when they release it in Q12013, so all the other MDM Vendors have no way to manage BB10 OS devices, so forget these companies from allowing a (BYOD BB10 device) in their corporate network!
Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
Stick A Fork In RIM, They Are Done [View article]
My gut feeling is BB10 OS is to little to late, and WP8 will be #3 OS.
RIM has just made too many mistakes over the last few years and when every they come out with new news it is another foot in their mouth. You cannot live on a closed system forever as BES still is and Mobile Fusion is not enought to save them.