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  • Recent Tesla Developments And Their Implications Going Forward [View article]
    Exactly - it will be similar to the destruction of the EV-1 and the immediate advent of the Hummer - the incentive drove sales of the Hummer and then gasoline prices rose under both administrations to the point no one can afford to drive one, but the nation is riddled with Hummer relics - the big three and big oil plan is to lower gasoline prices artificially, get more ICE cars in circulation with 84 month financing and when saturation is reached, gasoline will again rise and all the ICE buyers will be stuck in their loans - are they afraid of EV's becoming main stream - you can bet your assets they are -
    Nov 24, 2014. 11:01 AM | 4 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    Pot - one thing you did not comment on was the dead birds VS dead community -

    http://bit.ly/1yMyEgd

    Its worth knowing the truth -
    Nov 17, 2014. 10:26 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    Pot - in response to a couple of things -

    I installed my own solar, today the systems are pretty much plug and play -

    I have several friends who live or lived in the northeast who have and had solar in those locations - they may not get as much sun as CA but they get enough to completely run their homes, the sun shines more often that it is cloudy -

    3300 Sq FT to be exact - not the Taj Mahal, but comfortable - and no I didn't over or under estimate - my winter bills ran 250-350 and my summer bills 500-600 - my fuel saving is based on actual use - As to roof issues and resale - I don't expect roof issues for at least 50 years and if and when I sell, the $$ savings will trump most buyer concerns - not your, of course, but most buyers -

    Your right - as more people see the benefits of solar, the more will make the change, which is why I take the time to post the information I do - because, like my conservative Republican friend who recently added solar to his home, it was all about the numbers -

    Ugly antennas VS solar panels - there is no accounting for taste -

    My name is not Skippy, not even my nickname -
    Nov 17, 2014. 10:22 AM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    Pot - I forgot to mention - I am a capitalist and by going solar and buying a Tesla I secured a $1000 per month residual income that will get larger as time goes on - yep, the car will depreciate, so will yours, the solar may produce less over time but IT WILL STILL RENEW ITSELF DAY AFTER DAY - your smelly gas will not because it can not -
    Nov 15, 2014. 09:43 PM | 4 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    pot - you miss it completely - for the record -

    the energy required to produce 73 solar panels (my array) is insignificant to the "well to wheels" energy requirement - to deny that or somehow try and minimalize it is the height of hypocrisy - I would venture that it cost about as much to produce one PV panel as it does to refine one barrel of oil - I could be off by 10 but it still adds up to insignificant

    it is a proven FACT that solar panels built 50 years ago continue to produce up to 80% of their original capacity - there is no pie in the sky here - but for grins lets assume they need to be replaced at 20, 30 or 40 years - how often do you and others fill your tanks full of "well to wheel" fuel, daily, every two days, three ??? that somewhere between 6000 and 18000 times, just for YOU alone - and the cost of just one large full tank could pay for a PV single panel -

    I suppose looking out a solar panels could disturb some - my wife didn't like the idea initial because they would be outside her bedroom window on an adjacent shed - she came to appreciate them though the first time she didn't have to pay the $500 electric bill - and as to ruining the view, drive around any neighborhood where the wells pump away or look to the horizon off the shore of CA and see and appreciate those oil platforms, or drive down Riverside Avenue and absorb the ghastly sea of oil fuel tanks - this happens in every city, county and state -

    now as to dead birds, perhaps you should watch the movie Black Wave about the Exxon Valdez of 1989 - one spill killed thousands of animals and wiped out a community - or the more recent one in the gulf - or perhaps a documentary on what the oil companies do to developing 3rd world countries, destroying the habitat and leaving devastation in their wake - I know, I know, you can't see it from your house, but that doesn't change the FACTS - you can't see my solar from your house either, so you have nothing to worry about -

    I have no rainbow dream, and I have no eco guilt - what I have is the simple realization that I am not alone in this life, no one is and as a member of the human family I can make a small contribution - those who are not members of the human family do not need to participate -

    I have no delusions, oil will be around for a long while - Musk acknowledged that, it would take 20 years to get rid of oil in for cars only if every car was magically turned into an electric car tomorrow - what is delusional is to be so arrogant as to think that because oil will be here for a long time there is no need to make any effort to change it - if Steve Jobs thought that way we would still be using land lines and fax machines - this exchange would not be possible -

    so I will wash my panels when needed, and charge my car with the suns energy and pocket the $1000 per month savings - oh, and I don't worry about the price of electricity going up, nor the price of gas -

    I believe you when you say you love the smell of gasoline in the morning, perhaps you are getting more than your fair share - try this, take a bottle with you the next time you wake up, capture that smell and the next day put it into your tank - let me know how far you get on it -

    I apologize if any of my response is offensive - I only have a 12th grade education and common sense to call on -
    Nov 15, 2014. 09:16 PM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    Hey pot - so your alternative is to drill baby drill and then burn baby burn, everyday without consideration of the finite nature of the oil - you do realize that the drilling both onshore and offshore , the refining, the transporting and the final fueling of your ICE, day in and day out, make the mining efforts you refer to pale in comparison - I on the other hand along with many who express similar sentiments prefer to wake up, look out at my solar panels, realizing that the sun is softly energizing them to heat and cool my home and run my car - you are dependent on the rigs, refiners and haulers for your daily dose of toxins, everyday, get that, everyday - mine is a one time proposition, and delivers dependable energy everyday, got that, everyday - for me all that has to happen is the sun needs to rise in the east -

    unfortunately this is not a comedy but rather a tragedy of historic proportion -
    Nov 14, 2014. 09:25 PM | 4 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    Wrong - I bought my solar system 3 years ago and at three times today's prices - with the incentive to be an early adopter my payback on my solar will be 4 1/2 years with 45+ years of free energy thereafter and not one thought about the increase in the price of electricity - when I add my Tesla to that (because i planned forward and put in a large enough system) my payback time frame gets cut in half, so just over two years - at that point I have no $500 per month electricity bill and no $500 per month fuel bill - thats $1000 per month residual income for life and will certainly pay for my next Tesla and the next one after and so on - today the incentives are no longer necessary as solar PV has come down, but the payoff remains the same -
    Nov 14, 2014. 09:05 PM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors preps solar rooftop initiative [View news story]
    When the grid goes down you have no power, unless you have a SunnyBoy Island inverter and back up batteries - I lose power very rarely and usually not for that long - however, if the big one hits and the grid goes down for days or weeks, then a battery back-up system will become priceless - anyone who thinks solar PV is a fools errand is indeed very foolish themselves - think about the simplicity of a PV panel, how little engineering is required and how simple the manufacturing is compared to a "well to wheels" oil system (wells, transportation, refining, transportation, fuel stations - and all of these individual parts require massive manufacturing operations to build the wells, trucks, ships, refineries, gas stations) and then when that gallon of gas is dispensed and burned, poof, its gone - solar panels keep on giving, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years and without any power source and without any bi-product - it amazes me how simple common sense escapes so many people -
    Nov 14, 2014. 08:54 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors: Special Investment Rules? [View article]
    Tep - to the right for the next 24 months - and then we'll see -
    Nov 14, 2014. 08:04 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Elon Musk Appears To Have Misled Investors On Tesla's Most Recent Conference Call [View article]
    Tesla - 1 and 1/2 cars (Model S/Roadster) 50,000+ on the road - NO advertising and yet sales continue to accelerate - waiting line for cars across the globe - release of the Model X imminent - gigafactory roaring ahead - Model 3 just around the proverbial corner - and yes, the Hydrogen cell technology steaming ahead in CA, which is good thing, because it will be proof positive how fuelish (meaning not efficient) the endeavor is, and the rest of the country will never get on board -
    Nov 14, 2014. 01:35 PM | 6 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Elon Musk Appears To Have Misled Investors On Tesla's Most Recent Conference Call [View article]
    The thrill never really wears off -
    Nov 14, 2014. 01:26 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Report: Markdown time for some 2014 Model S vehicles [View news story]
    An important point not being discussed is that Tesla is offering to buy back/take a trade in of a used Model S using the exact same formula - I know, because when the P85D was released I called and got an offer from Tesla on my car and it is almost exactly to the dollar what Tesla sells the used loaners for - what it tells me is Tesla is treating existing owners well and at the same time making a Tesla Model S more reachable for the next tier of buyers - win, win - I would love to own my car (perfect in every sense) at a price the formula dictates - will I part with my car at that price? - no -
    Nov 14, 2014. 01:05 PM | 4 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors: Special Investment Rules? [View article]
    I wonder - have there been no further accidents involving Tesla Model S's or has the haters fires simply burned out - hmmm
    Nov 11, 2014. 05:30 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors: Special Investment Rules? [View article]
    Pot Pie - you obviously don't own one - if you did you would not make a post like the one above -

    My Tesla has 28,000 miles on it - the LX 470 we own gets around 14mpg, and so at 28 months my saving is at or above $500 per month - but that is just the tip of it - the most amazing thing is that every day I have a full tank in the morning, every day - no gas stations needed -
    I DO NOT HAVE - nor have I had -
    a cracked windshield -
    a failed 12 V battery -
    a drive train failure -
    inconsistent body gaps -
    misaligned suspension components -
    corroding mirror brackets -
    I have one squeak and I have rebooted on several occasions - takes 3 minutes
    I BELONG TO THREE DIFFERENT TESLA CLUBS - among the members I know of -
    one 12 V battery failure -
    one driver who has 35,000 miles on his OEM 21" Conti's
    AND
    it doesn't take forever to charge unless you are ADD -
    Nov 11, 2014. 05:22 PM | 7 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Motors: Special Investment Rules? [View article]
    Kondo - kinda ditto! - not a GM employee, but GM owner - if I could right now I would get rid of my GM and buy another Tesla, but that will have to wait awhile - the neat thing about waiting for Tesla is that what comes along, later, i.e., next, is way better than expected - an example is the auto/pilot drive and lane change features - ALL the other guys jumped out ahead to show their prowess and then along come Tesla and blows them all away making their systems seem antiquated -
    Nov 11, 2014. 05:07 PM | 6 Likes Like |Link to Comment
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