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      <title>Dividend Growth Stock VS Index - ten year estimate (OH CRAP scenario)</title>
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        <![CDATA[<div>With all the conversations about index investing versus individual stocks, I decided to run two different scenarios. The first scenario I posted previously, this scenario covers an &ldquo;oh crap&rdquo; situation whereby XOM is forced to completely eliminate its dividend. I used the same facts as the previous post but will restate them here.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I selected Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSMX) and ExxonMobil (XOM). I chose XOM because it is the largest holding of VTSMX. So here are the basic facts:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>VTSMX</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0.18%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 1.91%</div><div>Price used for calculation: 29.18</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 0% (sporadic)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>XOM</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 2.43%</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 5%</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I used 5 years before retirement and 5 years after retirement for a total of 10 years. I also used the stated fact that both investors need $125 a year. Also, since VTSMX is an index fund, I gave it a 5% bonus in down market years in comparison to XOM and a 5% penalty in up market years in comparison to XOM simply because it is an average.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A &ndash; puts $5,000 into VTSMX and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>Investor B &ndash; puts $5,000 into XOM and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>With those facts in mind, I randomly chose up and down market amounts (I could back test but as all prospectuses say &ldquo;past results are not predictive of future results&rdquo;.)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Here are the results (I will show only account balances to save on space):</div><div>Year 1</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 0%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5079.35</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 5% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5292.44</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 2</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5460.97</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5949.99</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 3</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -25%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4177.42</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -30% Return, Account balance &ndash; $4302.68</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 4</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 20%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5109.98</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 25% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5527.69</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 5</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5360.34</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 8% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6131.08</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Starting in years after this all dividends are taken in cash and shares are sold to get the $125 needed</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 6</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5598.54</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6743.97</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>In Year 7 XOM is forced to cut its dividend and the stock drops 40% as a result. VTSMX is also effected since XOM is its largest holding but only by <font>1</font>% over normal market returns. Investor B would be required to sell 2 shares a year of XOM to get the required $125. Now the scenario continues.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 7</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -15%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4733.41</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -20% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3889.49</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 8</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 30%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6120.48</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 35% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3919.22</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 9</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6270.15</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3867.11</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 10</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5986.76</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3931.09</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A had to start selling shares immediately in Year 6 to meet the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>Investor B never sold any shares because the dividend growth covered the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>End results:</div><div>Investor A &ndash; 19.74% Return</div><div>Investor B &ndash; (21.38)% Return</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This was not a scientific sketch, just an exercise to compare an index to a dividend growth stock. My post is not meant to be an &ldquo;end all&rdquo; of conversation nor an academic study, just posting my thought process for discussion and review (both good and bad).</div>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:17:10 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<div>With all the conversations about index investing versus individual stocks, I decided to run two different scenarios. The first scenario I posted previously, this scenario covers an &ldquo;oh crap&rdquo; situation whereby XOM is forced to completely eliminate its dividend. I used the same facts as the previous post but will restate them here.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I selected Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSMX) and ExxonMobil (XOM). I chose XOM because it is the largest holding of VTSMX. So here are the basic facts:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>VTSMX</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0.18%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 1.91%</div><div>Price used for calculation: 29.18</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 0% (sporadic)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>XOM</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 2.43%</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 5%</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I used 5 years before retirement and 5 years after retirement for a total of 10 years. I also used the stated fact that both investors need $125 a year. Also, since VTSMX is an index fund, I gave it a 5% bonus in down market years in comparison to XOM and a 5% penalty in up market years in comparison to XOM simply because it is an average.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A &ndash; puts $5,000 into VTSMX and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>Investor B &ndash; puts $5,000 into XOM and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>With those facts in mind, I randomly chose up and down market amounts (I could back test but as all prospectuses say &ldquo;past results are not predictive of future results&rdquo;.)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Here are the results (I will show only account balances to save on space):</div><div>Year 1</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 0%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5079.35</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 5% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5292.44</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 2</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5460.97</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5949.99</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 3</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -25%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4177.42</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -30% Return, Account balance &ndash; $4302.68</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 4</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 20%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5109.98</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 25% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5527.69</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 5</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5360.34</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 8% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6131.08</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Starting in years after this all dividends are taken in cash and shares are sold to get the $125 needed</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 6</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5598.54</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6743.97</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>In Year 7 XOM is forced to cut its dividend and the stock drops 40% as a result. VTSMX is also effected since XOM is its largest holding but only by <font>1</font>% over normal market returns. Investor B would be required to sell 2 shares a year of XOM to get the required $125. Now the scenario continues.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 7</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -15%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4733.41</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -20% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3889.49</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 8</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 30%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6120.48</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 35% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3919.22</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 9</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6270.15</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3867.11</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 10</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5986.76</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $3931.09</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A had to start selling shares immediately in Year 6 to meet the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>Investor B never sold any shares because the dividend growth covered the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>End results:</div><div>Investor A &ndash; 19.74% Return</div><div>Investor B &ndash; (21.38)% Return</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This was not a scientific sketch, just an exercise to compare an index to a dividend growth stock. My post is not meant to be an &ldquo;end all&rdquo; of conversation nor an academic study, just posting my thought process for discussion and review (both good and bad).</div>]]>
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      <title>Dividend Growth Stock VS Index - ten year estimate</title>
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        <![CDATA[<div>With all the conversations about index investing versus individual stocks, I decided to run two different scenarios. I decided to use Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSMX) and ExxonMobil (XOM). I chose XOM because it is the largest holding of VTSMX. So here are the basic facts:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>VTSMX</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0.18%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 1.91%</div><div>Price used for calculation: 29.18</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 0% (sporadic)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>XOM</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 2.43%</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 5%</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I used 5 years before retirement and 5 years after retirement for a total of 10 years. I also used the stated fact that both investors need $125 a year. Also, since VTSMX is an index fund, I gave it a 5% bonus in down market years and a 5% penalty in up market years simply because it is an average.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A &ndash; puts $5,000 into VTSMX and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>Investor B &ndash; puts $5,000 into XOM and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>With those facts in mind, I randomly chose up and down market amounts (I could back test but as all prospectuses say &ldquo;past results are not predictive of future results&rdquo;.)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Here are the results (I will show only account balances to save on space):</div><div>Year 1</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 0%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5079.35</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 5% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5292.44</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 2</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5460.97</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5949.99</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 3</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -25%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4177.42</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -30% Return, Account balance &ndash; $4302.68</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 4</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 20%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5109.98</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 25% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5527.69</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 5</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5360.34</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 8% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6131.08</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Starting in years after this all dividends are taken in cash and shares are sold to get the $125 needed</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 6</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5598.54</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6743.97</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 7</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -15%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4733.41</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -20% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5395.18</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 8</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 30%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6120.48</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 35% Return, Account balance &ndash; $7283.49</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 9</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6270.15</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $7137.82</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 10</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5986.76</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6495.42</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A had to start selling shares immediately in Year 6 to meet the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>Investor B never sold any shares because the dividend growth covered the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>End results:</div><div>Investor A &ndash; 19.74% Return</div><div>Investor B &ndash; 29.91% Return</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This was not a scientific sketch, just an exercise to compare an index to a dividend growth stock. My post is not meant to be an &ldquo;end all&rdquo; of conversation nor an academic study, just posting my thought process for discussion and review (both good and bad).</div>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:08:01 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<div>With all the conversations about index investing versus individual stocks, I decided to run two different scenarios. I decided to use Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTSMX) and ExxonMobil (XOM). I chose XOM because it is the largest holding of VTSMX. So here are the basic facts:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>VTSMX</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0.18%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 1.91%</div><div>Price used for calculation: 29.18</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 0% (sporadic)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>XOM</div><div>Expense Ratio: 0%</div><div>Average Yield over last 5 years: 2.43%</div><div>Average Div. Growth Rate over last 5 years: 5%</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I used 5 years before retirement and 5 years after retirement for a total of 10 years. I also used the stated fact that both investors need $125 a year. Also, since VTSMX is an index fund, I gave it a 5% bonus in down market years and a 5% penalty in up market years simply because it is an average.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A &ndash; puts $5,000 into VTSMX and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>Investor B &ndash; puts $5,000 into XOM and reinvests dividends for 5 years and then stops reinvestment after that point.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>With those facts in mind, I randomly chose up and down market amounts (I could back test but as all prospectuses say &ldquo;past results are not predictive of future results&rdquo;.)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Here are the results (I will show only account balances to save on space):</div><div>Year 1</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 0%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5079.35</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 5% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5292.44</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 2</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5460.97</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5949.99</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 3</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -25%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4177.42</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -30% Return, Account balance &ndash; $4302.68</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 4</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 20%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5109.98</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 25% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5527.69</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 5</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5360.34</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 8% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6131.08</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Starting in years after this all dividends are taken in cash and shares are sold to get the $125 needed</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 6</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 5%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5598.54</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 10% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6743.97</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 7</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX -15%, Return Account balance &ndash; $4733.41</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -20% Return, Account balance &ndash; $5395.18</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 8</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 30%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6120.48</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM 35% Return, Account balance &ndash; $7283.49</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 9</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $6270.15</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $7137.82</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Year 10</div><div>Investor A &ndash; VTSMX 3%, Return Account balance &ndash; $5986.76</div><div>Investor B &ndash; XOM -2% Return, Account balance &ndash; $6495.42</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Investor A had to start selling shares immediately in Year 6 to meet the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>Investor B never sold any shares because the dividend growth covered the $125 yearly demand.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>End results:</div><div>Investor A &ndash; 19.74% Return</div><div>Investor B &ndash; 29.91% Return</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This was not a scientific sketch, just an exercise to compare an index to a dividend growth stock. My post is not meant to be an &ldquo;end all&rdquo; of conversation nor an academic study, just posting my thought process for discussion and review (both good and bad).</div>]]>
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