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    "Correction is appreciated."???? You just did the blogger/reporter's homework for him. Did he bait you?


    On May 03 02:07 PM car_guy wrote:

    > You have a number of items incorrect, but you do make some interesting
    > points.
    >
    > First, Fiat is not "paying" $2B for 20% of Chrysler. Fiat is receiving
    > their equity stake for specific commitments to share technology,
    > distribution network, and to make specific investments to build product
    > in the US. Fiat estimates it will spend $2-3B, however, Chrysler
    > estimates that it will save $8-10B it would have to spend to develop
    > the same technology. This is one of the many things the Cerberus
    > bankers learned about the Auto industry AFTER they bought the company
    > from Daimler. Chrysler will replace all of their mid-size & small
    > cars & trucks (B, C, D platforms) with models based on Fiat designs
    > and produce new very small cars (A platform) from Fiat designs &
    > engines. Chrysler must have these platforms & engines to meet
    > new US CAFE standards, even if gas stays cheap for the long term.
    > Daimler would have provided this technology with the DCX model. With
    > Cerberus Chrysler tried to farm it out to partners (Chery, Nissan,
    > etc) and was unsuccessful (only Nissan came to fruition and the strong
    > Yen broke that model). Chrysler's only options were outright aquisition,
    > which the credit crisis made impossible, or a Renault/Nissan style
    > alliance which is what they accomplish w/Fiat.
    > The terms for Fiat earning the additional 15% are defined in the
    > press release and are the result of specific milestone achievement
    > (build 40mpg car in US, build new small engine for Chrysler in US,
    > sell Chrysler vehicles w/global network). Tooling plants to produce
    > the car & engine will require cash from Fiat, at least $1-2B.
    > What Fiat gets from Chrysler is hardly mutual. Aside from the US
    > sales distribution network, which is really cost avoidance on their
    > part, they get access to Chrysler's new V6 engine and SUV platforms
    > which are helpful, but not mission critical. Chrysler can't survive
    > w/o Fiat because they can't meet the 2020 CAFE standards without
    > the $8-10B investment even if gas stays cheap in the long run. Fiat
    > wants the Chrysler alliance because Marchione believes that a global
    > Auto OEM will need to produce over 5 million vehicles/year to survive
    > in the future. While this is logical, only Toyota, GM, VW, Ford,
    > and Renault/Nissan achieved this goal in 2007 which would provide
    > Fiat with plenty of partners if this theory becomes more real.<br/>Cerberus
    > gets to keep Chrysler Financial (which they admit they ran into the
    > ground in WSJ) and Chrysler Real Estate which has value, but how
    > much is not clear. Cerberus is also using Chrysler to be GMAC's (not
    > GMCC) captive Auto OEM since, due to more brilliance on their part,
    > GMAC is no longer tied to GM and suddenly needs to compete for business.
    > They don't walk away empty handed, but this obviously was not the
    > ending they intended. I agree, no tears for them.
    > The US taxpayer gets 8% (Canadian get 2%) for their initial $4.5B
    > loan ($1B from Canada). The return is more like 20%. The DIP funding
    > and approx $11B to get out of C11 will be loans that will have to
    > be repaid.
    > The UAW is not really getting 55%. Classifying them as an unsecured
    > debtor may be legally accurate, but is not an accurate description
    > of the liability they hold for Chrysler. When Cerberus bought their
    > 80.1% of Chrysler from Daimler, they took on $18B of health care
    > liability. The UAW took over this liability for approx 0.70/$1 when
    > the VEBA was created in 2007. The $10B was the remaining cash owed
    > to the VEBA to fund the $18B liability. Counting the approx $2.5B
    > in cash already deposited into the VEBA, the UAW's liability is around
    > $15.5B so using your numbers they recover approx 30%. Same as the
    > bond holders, but they can't simply write off their losses. The UAW
    > is still on the hook for the health care costs and is going to be
    > struggling with this for years to come.
    > You are right on the money with your assessment of how this situation
    > was impacted by CDS. Based on their actions, it is reasonable to
    > assume the hold outs were fully hedged and drove the C11 to cash
    > out their positions. This is no different than buying a building
    > and burning it down for the insurance money. You would think that
    > the companies issuing the CDS would be smart enough to protect against
    > this behavior or at least void the claim. You propose that the hedged
    > owner transfers their voting rights to the insurer, which makes sense.
    > I propose that a simpler solution is to simply call this what it
    > is, insurance fraud, and prosecute accordingly.
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