• bilton
    Gartner 4Q Worldwide phone OS % share: $GOOG 69.7 (+18.4) $AAPL 20.9 (-2.7) $RIMM/$BBRY 3.5 (-5.3) $MSFT 3.0 (+1.2) $NOK Symbian 1.2 (-10.4)
    2/13/13
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    • C.E.: MSFT OS does not seem to be selling as well as what their manufacturers want the world to believe.
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: This isn't news. These numbers have been available for weeks. Gartner simply added them together. NOK investors are counting on continued
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: increases in WP8 mindshare. An increase of 1.2% on a base of 1.8% is pretty good, and a bigger proportional jump than for IOS or Android.
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: http://tcrn.ch/11FYNSa
      2/13/13
    • C.E.: Zhang Fei, in spite of huge marketing blitz from NOK and MSFT, the Q4 '12 mkt share of Winphone OS is pitiful.
      2/13/13
    • Colaolli: It is only pitiful because of the supply issues Nokia (and many other) faced.
      2/13/13
    • Colaolli: Here is a good example that wndows phone has gained mindshare: http://bit.ly/XalhSN
      2/13/13
    • Charles Santerre: C.E.: Sob.... we will shutdown wp7.x & wp8 because we are pitiful..... sniff, sniff. Anyone got a tissue?
      2/13/13
    • C.E.: Charles, just describing the facts. Back up your truck into the NOK pit if you like
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: "Zhang Fei, in spite of huge marketing blitz from NOK and MSFT, the Q4 '12 mkt share of Winphone OS is pitiful." In its first five quarters,
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: the first Iphone sold around 6m units. The WP OS, which is essentially restarting from scratch, isn't doing too badly by Iphone standards.
      2/13/13
    • bilton: Amazing how releasing facts to the $MSFT crowd about ww phone os share stirs them up. YOUR share went up so stop whining
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: "YOUR share went up so stop whining " Whining would be "life's unfair". I was merely pointing out that CE is wrong; WP is still in the game.
      2/13/13
    • C.E.: Zhang Fei, 'pitiful' is the appropriate word to describe 3% share after spending billions of marketing $ and 1 year in market.
      2/13/13
    • DumpsterDiver: Yeah, just like that pathetic "Macintosh" thing that never got above single-digit market share....
      2/13/13
    • Charles Santerre: Dumpster: LOL! What company makes that crappy Mac again?
      2/13/13
    • DumpsterDiver: I don't know, some bunch of also-ran wannabes who should have given up their deluded quest and gone out of business years ago, obviously.
      2/13/13
    • Leont68: MSFT and Nokia will survive just fine being "pitiful" and so will the people that invest in Nokia
      2/13/13
    • Leont68: Now ask all those people that are investing in All mighty Apple how they are doing recently with their investment. I am one of those lols
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: "Zhang Fei, 'pitiful' is the appropriate word to describe 3% share" What part of Iphone's 6m units in its first 5 qtrs don't you understand?
      2/13/13
    • Zhang Fei: And this is with the benefit of a major marketing effort by AAPL.
      2/13/13
    • C.E.: Zhang Fei, I suppose you can even dig back into the first 5 qtrs of Nokia mobile sales in 1979. Hurray win8, growing slowly and steadily.
      2/13/13
    • Andreas Hopf: WP8 is not in the picture much http://bit.ly/11I5BPa
      2/14/13
    • bilton: Pushing your FEAR buttons is SO Easy. Do you even know what you are doing. No one was even talking about PCs but boom you're off again.
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: Read before you spew hate; the linked article discusses a topic related directly to the one you brought up. This is not reddit (yet).
      2/14/13
    • C.E.: System, WP8 fans are in a league of their own ;)
      2/14/13
    • Colaolli: And so are BB10, Apple and all fans
      2/14/13
    • Leont68: True
      2/14/13
    • Leont68: So are people that like to switch hide behind different usernames and troll :)
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: Since I joined, I never switched my user name. That would be childish. In any case, we're WP8 users here and still like it a lot...
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: ...but it is difficult to put a device in someone's hands, mentioning the dreaded "Windows" word. People's perceptions are almost genetic.
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: Like I said in September, the "Windows" association is the trickiest thing for marketing to address. The one solving it will be praised.
      2/14/13
    • C.E.: get rid of Ballmer and half the problem is solved.
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: The "Embalmer" does not inspire sympathy or respect. He seems well stuck in the 80s.
      2/14/13
    • Leont68: @system, I wasn't talking about you, sorry if it came over that way lols. I mean it in a general sense. It was in reply to C.E.
      2/14/13
    • Leont68: Saying that Wp8 fans are in a league of there own.
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: Whatever online forum, there's always users with a split or multiple personality. It's the interwebs that's doin' it to people, see :)
      2/14/13
    • Charles Santerre: Market share means squat. Sales are all that is important.
      2/14/13
    • DumpsterDiver: bilton: Are you familiar with the concept of an analogy? It's a tool humans sometimes use for thinking about things. Check it out.
      2/14/13
    • bilton: Dump, Wee! can't believe I'm still having conversation with math challenged hopers after just reporting Gartner numbers from newswire.
      2/14/13
    • Charles Santerre: Believe it
      2/14/13
    • bilton: Ok, let me help the hoper faithful. WP share was UP 40% relative to its own share in quarter that WP8 was released. Isn't that a good thing?
      2/14/13
    • DumpsterDiver: Yes, and my $NOK holdings are also up about 40% in that time. Yet you keep claiming to be instilling "FEAR" with these numbers. Why is that?
      2/14/13
    • bilton: dump, just commenting on frenzy after posting #s. I have no positions. Used "hopers" to help them see fact. What was w/ the analogy comment?
      2/14/13
    • DumpsterDiver: Nothing in the market-share data you've posted suggests cause for even regular, lower-case fear, let alone the all-caps variety. Should it?
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: Dumpster, don't forget that bilton is with NOK since months as SAMARITAN, here only to HELP confused retail investors IN HIS SPARE TIME.
      2/14/13
    • DumpsterDiver: I think there's a very strong analogy to be drawn between the Mac 10-15 yrs. ago and Windows Phone now. That was why I brought up computers.
      2/14/13
    • Zhang Fei: "Dumpster, don't forget that bilton is with NOK since months as SAMARITAN" I don't have any problem with bilton - he raises a lot of
      2/14/13
    • Zhang Fei: interesting points - it's just that many of them are either irrelevant or don't illustrate what he thinks they do.
      2/14/13
    • Andreas Hopf: q.e.d.
      2/14/13
    • bilton: Zhang, yep its my opinion based on many yrs of tech/market education/experience. I will put my comment history vs your words any day.
      2/14/13
    • bilton: dump, I always put FEAR and GREED in caps. I used it here because there was an irrational frenzy over good numbers for WP faithful
      2/14/13
    • Charles Santerre: anything pos. ever said about Nokia or WP is always irrational frenzy by a bunch of hopers spreading crap, acc to bilton who is never wrong.
      2/14/13
    • DumpsterDiver: I believe the frenzy had more to do with C.E.'s "pathetic!" and "pitiful!" assessment of those same (actually pretty positive) numbers....
      2/14/13
    • DumpsterDiver: Oops, correction: C.E. only said "pitiful." That "pathetic" came from me making fun of him.... :)
      2/14/13
    • bilton: Charles, you know me so well. However, I always sprinkle in some facts for the hopeful to chew on. Example my original post here.
      2/14/13
    • C.E.: When a factual description is so emotionally derided, it is time to go short the stock. I'm with tilson on NOK.
      2/14/13
    • Charles Santerre: CE: go for it. And thank you very much.
      2/15/13
    • C.E.: Entered short NOK at 4.02 today.
      2/15/13
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