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The Nokia E61i Doesn't Deliver On Its Promises

Continue to rebut your article.

6. False of contrast/comparison
Quote: I would have switched over to the GSM/EDGE network full-time for a guaranteed connection -- if I'd had an unlimited data contract, which I don't.
>>&g... You mentioned one weakness of E61's EDGE speed. Good. Then how about iPhone? Is iPhone not a EDGE/WLAN? I do not see the difference you have concluded.

7. Straw man.
Quote: Nonstandard audio output.
>>&g... E61i hit the market nearly 0.5 year ahead of iPhone. Who agree with you to put such a rival to attack? Who do not you choose the E90? Do not you know many many Nokia phones use 3.5mm standard audio output, such as hot cakes N73, N76, N95, E90?

8. Begging the question.
Quote: ant to set up a means for the phone to get to the Internet? Sure, that's setting up an Access Point in Menu > Tools > Settings > Connection > Access Points. But if you want to set up Bluetooth, that's in a completely.
>>&g... Your logic, briefly here is: because AP setting is here, Bluetooth is here,(so this is disorganized), then you conclude that E61 is disorganized. What a reasoning model? Because it is disorganized, and so it is disorganized.

9. Red herring again.
Quote: the E61i software feels only incrementally better than what Nokia was putting out five years ago. It's a worthy competitor to phones that run Windows Mobile
>>&g... Does these assertions serve relevant to the comparison between E61 and iPhone?

10. Hasty generalization
Quote: any buyer forking out $450 for an Nokia E61i will shop it against Apple's entry level iPhone that is only $50 more.
>>&g... You just give a list of pros/cons of the Nokia E61i, but is this list complete for a complex phone contest?

The Nokia E61i Doesn't Deliver On Its Promises

One plausible argumentation with a bunch of logic flaws.

1. Red herring.
Quote: full QWERTY keyboard with physical buttons, WCDMA, and a replaceable battery
>>&g... So how about above features' advantage or not? No mention in this passage.

2. Many assumptions, but all unwarranted.
Quote: E61 can push Blackberry email (via add-on software), Microsoft Exchange support.
>>&g... You never attack iPhone on "unable to do this". Seems you unconsciously use one hidden assumption that these email feature is not critical to you and all the folks around the world! Who told you that? Any facts, statistics?

3. Appeal to emotion
Quote: the phone is much better than my ancient Nokia 3650 that it replaced.
>>&g... So what? You use one very bad example to contrast with E61i, just want to degrade E61's fame? I also can say that iPhone is better than 3650. Then did I really debase the iPhone?

4. Unwarranted assumption
Quote: you now are in a WiFi hotspot that has more than 10 times the bandwidth.
>>&g... 10 times than who? WLAN g version is 54M, 3G is 2M or 3.5G is 14M. Are you sure the download speed is 10 times difference?

5. Confusion of the sufficient/necessary condition.
Quote: Painfully slow browsing
>>&g... Yes, if bad browser --> Painful slow browsing. But if Painful slow browsing, can we rigorously infer that bad browser? Who told this kind of reasoning? Do you consider 3rd kind of explanation such as you have a bad WLAN coverage, signal?

Cowen Advises: Place Your Mobile Internet Bets On Google, Not Apple

You hit the point, everyone here should do some math.

Do you know how much one SD card of 8GB is in China right now?
2GB is

Cowen Advises: Place Your Mobile Internet Bets On Google, Not Apple

Like you said, NOkia, Motorola, Microsoft, RIMM is not Apple too.
Symbian own 100million users in Asia. Can do mp3, Microsoft Office, Email, game. RIMM is popular even in your APPLE-water-in-head US. Sorry, RIMM do not use OS X.
Microsoft, no body like him, but you have to admit so many high-end PDA like phone, in Verizon, Cingular, is by HTC+WM6.0.
Tell me, what's the weakness of WM6.0, except the low install bases to Symbian, but not to you! Apple.

Wake up, too, you.

Nokia's Qualcomm Smear Campaign Won't Work

" Nokia (NOK) wakes up one day and decides that it is tired o"
>>&g... Last year, NOK had already sued over QCOM with other 5 boys. It is not "finally" wake up.
Year 2001-2003, NOK, TXN and maybe STM, win over QCOM to have the right to develop CDMA2000 chips,phones. Wish you enjoy this story.


"Ojanpera was playing to a receptive crowd - Qualcomm has been the punching bag of Korea's techno-nationalists for years."
>>&g... You hit the process of one story but not disclose the end of the story. The end is, currently, Korean govement do not allow SKT, KTF to upgrade Qualcomm's CDMA tech to a new enhanced version called Rev. A, which aka. 3.7G, 3.5G,whatever.
Instead, SKT and KTF are promoting UMTS evolution version HSPA. This monthing, they got 1.2 and 0.8 million subscribers each. Nearly all the enrollment is happened in this half year.
Besides, Korean folks are doing their own version of Wimax, which is not Qualcomm's baby but INTC's.
So if what I said is true, do not think NOK's appeal is meaningful, realistic, profitable or just a show?


"When they found they had to adopt it for 3G, they struggled for two years to figure out how to make it work because they wouldn't ask Qualcomm for assistance."
>>&g... Wait a minute, you mean which 3G? CDMA2000 EVDO, EVDV or another one called W-CDMA or UMTS? When did NOK ask QCOM for help on UMTS, which actually was proposed by NTT Docomom, NOK, ERIC is the late 90's?
Now NOK has quit from C2000 tech, so does a bunch of folks like ERIC, TXN. There is no futher needs for QCOM's help.


"Remember, if you will, that Qualcomm is NOT a competitor - it is merely an upstream technology provider. A vendor."
>>&g... NOK hopes so, but the reality is, Qualcomm's chip empowers every phone of LGE, Samsung, 1/4 of MOTO, nearly, in 3G.

Nokia's Qualcomm Smear Campaign Won't Work

Nokia does have a twisted view of their non-existent dominance in the global wireless market.
>>&g... Nearly 40% handset market share. Its tech friends, Ericsson,which also champion GSM, UMTS, own 30%-50% base station business. Where is your really-dominant CDMA folks, like LGE, Alcatel-Lucent, Nortel?
So I guess you mean it should be like int he senate, that >66.6% can be called dominant.


MediaFLO vs DVBH is GSM vs CDMA all over again.
>>&g... Wow, wow, what a kind analogy. Wait a minute, who denote who? MediaFlo is like a GSM? Well, Mediaflo is a Qualcomm own, Qualcomm Sell, Qaulcomm Earn tech, a privately raised up pet. GSM belong to a bunch of collaborators. So if you should better mean that, MediaFlo = CDMA?
Then you are more wrong. CDMA, 300million around subscribers today, in this planet. GSM/UMTS, 2.2billion. My rigged numbers? Google it, go to GSM, CDMA's forum, boaster website.
Now who is more successful? You analogy is perfect!

Nokia's Qualcomm Smear Campaign Won't Work

", then why did you base UMTS on CDMA technology?"

>>&g... And so what? Qualcomm build CDMA2000 on its own CDMA tech. Pure? No trouble? Now ITC give a ban, said it use Broadcom's cell selection, battery save tech.

Nokia's N95: The iPhone's European Competitor

", a high-end smart phone that, like the iPhone, has a relatively large color screen (2.6 in), can surf the Web and can play music and DVD-quality video"
>>&g... A very typical WallStreet tone, without any lively investigation outside US. Have a google, nearly all non-US's ads for N95, the top feature is: 5 mega pixel, Carl Ziezz camera, auto focus. Now you ignore this and it quite make sense that you also ignore iPhone's futile 2 mega, nothing special, lousy camera.
This "ignore" call my memory how Kodak become a nothing, in the camera industry recent years, with a bunch of Sony in low end and Cannon Nikon in high end.


"Quite possibly both phones will be successful as music phones "
>>&g... How come to this point? 2.6 LCD? Surfing in internet? DVR record as you stated in the top of the passive? Another classic tech misunderstanding on what is a "music phone.". Music phone is nothing but a phone with a large disk. Dont tell me the music play software is a core technology.


"How well? The screen size is a limiting factor, as is the size of the keyboard, for any serious office function."
>>&g... You are so right that even iPhone does worse. Have you compared the LCD between iPhne and N95? Tell me, any major difference in customer experiece if they are used to edit a powerpoint file. My feeling is both of them are terrible. As for keyboard, wow, somebody even do not have a keyboard, just a touch screen. Suggest you buy a MOTO phone with touch screen, have a try. I guess I could get double input speed over you if I use a quetery keyboard blackberry.

One company, named HTC, is current smartphone guru, which even bundled with Cingular or Verizon. Go to their webpage or ads, have a look at what is the main strean inputs method and why.

Nokia's Restructuring: Nobody Loves A Value-Chain Hog

Dave,

I am sorry to hasty describe you as a Verizon users, America living guys. Wish you do not mind.

But your facts are really doubtful, or even, say, nearly on the opposite of the trueth.

"he heart of the cellular industry lies outside the US, and indeed Asia leads the world."
>>&g... Not exactly. The most stylish phone are not only in Asia, but also Europe.

"I don't think there is any question that Samsung, LG, and Motorola are far ahead of Nokia in delivering devices that are appealing to the senses"
>>&g... Your biggest wrong is here. Yes, return to year of 2000, MOT got clamshell phone, NOK did not. 2003-04, Samsung built a lot of clamshell, good looking phone. Yes, you are right, for that period of time. But do you have sensed the 3G revolution in NOK's lineup recent 4 years?
Go to NOK's website, Euro site, have a look at the N series website, the flash, movie. Tell me how ya feeling, compared to your ROKR E6. To be frank, your problem, is so far, these 2 years, I often saw in some US folks, friends ----- they just did not see the N series, simply because Cingular do not launch, Verizon of CDMA.
But like Bob Dylan said, the world, they are changing!!!
If you doubt about the N series's market sucsees, I suggest you google it, or have a look at last Quater's NOK CEO transcript in this seeking alpha.
N series means what? It meas profit, margin, look at NOK's and look at MOT's.


", Motorola has the ROKR Z6, E6, E2, E780x, E680x, SLVR L6g, and MING that all play games."
>>&g... You hit a good point as my support. I use E680 now! What a smartphone, so smart that I nearly could not download any games. Guess what? The jave-linux!!
You are in Beijing? Good, go to ZhongGuanCun, or a University, ask every passing boy and girl, how about their feeling of the symbian and linux, which one support more games, calenders, clocks, xxxxx.
I forgot to tell you, to see this mobile.163.com, to have a look at how many illegal N70, N73, N95 are in the best seller position in Beijing market.
ROKR E6? ever on any list of the best seller? please give me a link.

"As to Nokia's performance in the US market, Nokia's loyalists may believe the company's weak showing there is because of Qualcomm, but the reality is Nokia's original and continuing failures in the US can be attributed directly to product decisions made at Nokia."
>>&g... You hit the part of the reason, but not in-depth. I wont argue with you on this, but look the NOKIA CEO's speech on US market, he always avoid the questin why it is so weak in US but so strong in every country outside US!!
Heard the ITC, BRCM, QCOM story? NOK now refuse to give IP fee to QCOM, then, how every N75, 76, sold in US is in danger! Do you have strong objection on this? Ofcoz, this is a potential risk, not happend yet, but QCOM is staring at!


Apple's design,""leverage""
>>&g... I wont argue if you misundestand me or me misunderstand you. To cut to the chase, I am saying, that, AAPL is a titan in MP3 industry, but still a pigmy in cellular. You might feel my words too adamant, but if you look at the details, I guess you will have fewer words to rebuttal.
(1). Do AAPL have GSM, WCDMA, C2K IP?
How many NOK have? If negative of AAPL, then if it is possible that NOK gain some cost advantage on AAPL?
(2). Production cost
NOK, 1-200 million units in China per year, also they leverage Foxcoon, if you heard of. OK, I tell you, AAPL use Foxconn. (both of them are my customers!), can you believe that Foxcoon give a low price for production that AAPL? How come? Remember, cellular industry, volumn is the god!
(3). Sourcing, tech advantage, relationship.
I amnot sure if you know that TXN is the dog of NOK, a famous saying in celluar industry for 10 years. Where is AAPL's parterner? Marvel? Infineon? What a loser partener! How can you believe that TXN's chipset design is inferior to InfineoN? How can? How come?
Ok, if both NOK and AAPL use Infineon EDGE chipset, how about each's price? Need you tell you what does the word "volumn" mean in semi industry?

(4). Core competitiveness lack.
I raise this question before, but not only you but lots of US folks can not answer me directly. The question is, as a mp3 player, what is the core competitiveness of iPhone, compared to NOk phone?
You also danced out of my question. Dont tell me the design, the looking, the GUI. You actually admitted that, mp3 is not space shuttle, it is a blockbuster tech. That's the truth doom of AAPL.
But 3G, Radio Freq tech, CPU design, DSP design, jave game, camera, email, push mail, MSN, QQ, all of these are not AAPL's traditional strength, right? Can AAPL surpass NOK merely on a mp3, which, NOK phone all have it right now, with at least 2G SD card support and in the future 4G, 8G SD card.
Forgot to tell you, in Beijing 2G SD is only

Nokia's Restructuring: Nobody Loves A Value-Chain Hog

Besides, I give you one thesis for your later argue:

"What is the advantage in music playing perspective, for iPhone, against NOK, SonyEricsson's smartphone or music focused smartphone"?

Nearly all Apple zealots are missing consideration on this point.

Nokia's Restructuring: Nobody Loves A Value-Chain Hog

David Wolf:

Your opinion on NOK is something like a naive school boys with so many unwarranted assumptions and facts.

"n the mobile business, the design effort is still two years behind Motorola and a year behind Samsung. "
>>&g... What a ostensible assertion. Who tell you NOK is 2 yrs behind MOTO or Samsung in design? Design what? Its 5mega camera is behind MOTO, or its HSDPA technology slower than Samsung? Or its Symbian OS is not so cute as MOTO's linux?
Do not make assertion just based on your Verizon handset. Yes, NOK is lag in US market, but dont you sense that this is due to a legal war against QCOM? Do not assume US market is the banner in mobile industry. That's deadily wrong, thisi is not nuclear bombes, space shuttle industry.


"Nokia runs third in mobile entertainment behind Sony Ericsson and Motorola, and its leadership in entry level phones will be challenged by a resurgent Motorola and a Samsung"
---- Nearly 100% illogical. Who told you its play-phone is behind Motoroal? NOK get a 20 kinds of N series, all smartphone, >2mega camera, some with A-GPS. MP3? Its innate capability. Tell me, what is your MOTO gadgets? Just give us a list? My god, could you be careful about the digits and numbers?
As for the cheap phone, do you know the mechnazim in this industry? The cell phone's cost is majorly consist of sourcing cost, production cost. NOK's volume to MOT in cheap phone is nearly 2:1 or 3:1. So if TI provide MOT the baseband chips at 15$ each, then what price they give to NOK? Have you ever been a sales or marketing folks before?
NOK's factory is in Beijing, MOTO is in TianJIng. Both are in china, what the difference in production cost?


"it lack's Apple's cachet, design leadership, superior user experience, and history of delivering and selling a closed system."
>>&g... Your evidence? iPhone is a 2.5G handset with a no one use but cheap Infineon chipsets, with an ordinary 802.11g, with an just so so 16mega LCD and less than so so 2mega, no auto focus camera. What is its OS? Can it be so good as win mobile or symbian? Can you download 20k kinds of java game from website like Nokia N95 phones? Can you find your way in A-GPS?
Tell me, where is your so called design leadership? Does Apple own a private company which can make the world 1st LCD, 1st camera, 1st chipset, 1st OS software, while NOK can not access?
About the cost of Apple, I woundnt say anything, just look at its volume: 10 million iphone predicted in 2008. Nok is 400 million a year. Do you know the word "leverage"?

I know what is the origin of your so silly reviews, it is all because your narrow eyeshot. You just use a Verizion 1 mega camera Samsung phone and one ipod. You never go outside US to say how European, Chinese, India, Japaness are living. That's your problem. Remember twice, cellular industry's Vatican is not US.