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  • Letter To John Hempton From A 'Clueless Short Seller' [View article]
    Peter Stevens,
    Because discounting is forbidden by the company. The distributor with the greater discount would encourage you, as a consumer, to sign up as a distributor, if you wanted a discount. You could then get your product directly from the company, the company gives you a 25% discount to retail, your upline gets the other 25%.
    Mar 26, 2014. 12:46 AM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • FTC initiative targeting deceptive weight-loss product claims hits MLMs [View news story]
    Why is it that you keep referring to Pershing Square as "Perishing Square". Faux Pas much?
    Jan 5, 2014. 07:39 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Herbalife extends gains on more LBO chatter [View news story]
    Very little salvage value? The company is in 90 countries. This only affects the US either way!!
    Nov 20, 2013. 06:53 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Is Herbalife A Fraud? That Is The Question [View article]
    The other answer is that if Supervisors sell at 25% or greater discount to end consumers and get caught by Herbalife they lose their distributorship. Because Herbalife doesn't want distributors to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, which would happen if they allowed distributors to get away with what Matt is suggesting. If you look at the small number of people selling at a discount on eBay, you'll notice that this is not a prevalent occurance.
    Aug 8, 2013. 06:54 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    WillyTSA, you obviously FAIL to see the flaws in your question v. the quote from the rules.

    A distributor is required to make sales to AT LEAST TEN separate retail customers TO RECIEVE VOLUME REBATES etc. That doesn't mean they have to make sales COME WHAT MAY to 10 customers, and even if they do, how do they know what those customers do with the product?

    What happens from TEN to TWENTY-FIVE customers? Or THIRTY-FIVE? They only have to report for TEN!!!
    Mar 28, 2013. 02:43 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    I haven't read Ackman's presentation and don't really care to, but if you'd provide me a link, I'll have a look and answer your question if I can.
    Mar 27, 2013. 12:50 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    I meant that royalties are resulting from product sales, not from recruiting, which is what Ackman is trying to make out. Whether the final purchaser consumes the product is a different matter. That then comes down to whether there is inventory loading. That is a mythical notion, because it does not advance you in the marketing plan.
    Mar 27, 2013. 12:47 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    "Are there any reasons why Herbalife distributors can't be required retail sales to Herbalife? "
    Huh? I'll take it you are asking if there is any reason Herbalife distributors can't be required TO REPORT retail sales to Herbalife.

    People scoff when this is compared to Coca-Cola or Costco. Does Coke require every retailer to report to them who they retail to? Say a wholesaler sells to a retailer. Does that retailer then report to Coke? Why should Herbalife be any different? Herbalife sells to a distributor, who sells to a distributor, who consumes the product. Herbalife sells to a distributor who consumes the product. Herbalife sells to a distributor who sells to a customer, who consumes the product. Herbalife sells to a distributor who sells to a customer who doesn't consume the product. They are, in the end, all retail sales. Where should the reporting take place?
    Mar 27, 2013. 12:39 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    Speaking of which, fxfx, how about YOU answer questions put to you!! You make a commotion about someone not answering questions, but you won't either.
    Mar 27, 2013. 12:28 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    Matt, you're IGNORING the point, made many many times by people who actually KNOW what they're talking about.

    Inventory loading does not advance you in the marketing plan. Inventory loading is a myth.

    You have no idea about the product yet you keep peddling your ignorant myth for one purpose. To attempt to drive down the share price.

    I don't own shares in the company but I am a distributor, at the lowest rungs of the company, so what do I have to gain by disagreeing with you?
    Mar 26, 2013. 05:54 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    Matt, failing to secure proper permits and health department inspections is a matter for the nutrition club owners and the local departments. it has nothing to do with whether Herbalife is a pyramid scheme, or even to do with Herbalife.

    Is this just another attempt to have a go at Herbalife?

    Herbalife has strict rules about what nutrition clubs are not allowed to do, and one of them is to be a retail store. They are not allowed to advertise that they are Herbalife operations. The only way you know Herbalife is inside is by going inside. Then they are a club, plain and simple.
    Mar 26, 2013. 05:39 PM | 4 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    You " have been a HLF distributor back in the 1990s in I can attest that this is a full-fledged scam and a pyramid scheme".

    Please describe HOW it is a scam and a pyramid scheme, JUST because you have been a distributor!!

    I've been a distributor since 2003, and I can't attest to the same thing.

    Did you think it was a get rich quick scheme and you were silly enough to think you could make money without work? Are you wanting to blame Herbalife for a decision you made? Please elaborate.
    Mar 26, 2013. 01:44 PM | 13 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    Willy, Tupperware is probably less an MLM than Herbalife, which is why the confusion is being clouded by comparisons with Tupperware.

    Tupperware salespeople are more like employees of Tupperware, while Herbalife distributors are independent business owners.

    I have a number of Tupperware distributors as clients, one of whom has a company car courtesy of Tupperware.

    Tupperware know what retail sales are made because their distributors are required to report to Tupperware. Their senior distributors are known as "managers".

    Independent Herbalife distributors are rewarded based on their purchases from the warehouse. Their uplines are rewarded based on what they purchase from the warehouse. Not on what they sell to whoever they sell to.
    Mar 26, 2013. 01:02 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    445331, you make statements like "needed to answer these questions" and "intentionally not tracked" but you don't seem to understand the real nature of the questions or the nature of the data required.

    Herbalife doesn't "intentionally" not track the data, because largely the data is not possible to track, when the retail sales are made by 3.2 million INDEPENDENT distributors who PURCHASE product from Herbalife, but then what they do with it is UP TO THEM.
    Mar 26, 2013. 12:54 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • What Bill Ackman Doesn't Want You To Know About The FHTM Case [View article]
    445331, The only royalties that are earned are a result of sales to someone who consumes product. The only way to be rewarded for recruiting is if that recruit buys product to sell or consume.

    If the recruit is consuming that product, is that not retail? Some would call it wholesale, but if the recruit consumes it, by definition that is retail, because the recruit is the final consumer of the product. Accounting 101!!!
    Mar 26, 2013. 12:37 PM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
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