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The Latest on Bank Nationalization

Oh yes. Nationalize the banks - absolutely. They and the people who directly or indirectly put them in the place they are in MUST suffer the consequences of their actions. Why must the taxpayer pay billions to support rotten balance sheets and be treated like a novice investor by owning small stakes in the institutions we bailed out.

The taxpayers should act like any other investor would act.

We will not get out of this mess until bank balance sheets are fixed. Recapitalize them, tank the existing holders of the capital structure - but for the secured debt holders and issues new shares. Take those shares and put them into the Social Security Trust where, as banks recover the securities can eventually be resold back into the market and the accumulated value can be used as a real funding source for the payment of future Social Security benefits.

The existing generation will be alleviating the intergeneration burden we otherwise place on our children but engaging in a process in which the promises made by our Social Security system can, in part, be funded rather than unfunded.

see sociallyresponsibleres... for more details.

The Latest on Bank Nationalization

Good article. "Too big to fail" as a concept is, was and has been flawed. It makes liars of those of us who otherwise believe that markets are as good a judge of value as anything else out there - but for government. Markets are better than government.

To my Republican friends I say this is the legacy of Reagan who took the concept of free markets and allowed them to become anything but free. The net effect of the Reagan years was to leverage balance sheets and replace the "honor" of building a company that will last - with the cleaverness of milking the assets built by others for all one could extract from it. There was no balance in that effort and we have been leveraging ourselves ever since.

By definition, American markets aren't free - or even close. How do I know. Large companies pay billions to lobby Congress and the White House to assure that they are not.

Large companies kill creativity and create a false sense of security. They kill jobs and have a culture that is antithetical to what we otherwise think of as American values.

If we really want to return to a more market based economy then let's bust up all large companies. That will, like the ATT of old, force management and the millions who work in such organizations to think and act like small business people - still the backbone of our economy and still the driver for this country's sense of freedom and liberty.

America's Insolvent Banks

Proposal: It is time that we eliminate the privatization of profits and the socialization of losses.

Summary (one page)
US taxpayers are being asked to incur massive debt to recapitalize insolvent financial institutions. While a sound banking system is required to drive economic activity – HOW we implement this rescue is critical. If the rescue of these institutions is adopted as proposed, (the “good” bank / “bad” bank proposal) we will recapitalize the same management, Board of Directors and oversight structure that created these catastrophic circumstances in the first place. If adopted, this proposal will effectively shield them from having to bear responsibility for their actions. In addition, it will impose a debt upon us that is so burdensome it will strangle our capacity for economic growth, threaten our liberty and diminish future opportunity for our children. There is no measure of maturity, honor or decency in encumbering our children with massive debt to pay for our generation’s mistakes and the inept management of our affairs. We must demand an alternative course of action from our government. This Proposal offers such an alternative.

In this Proposal we citizens propose that in exchange for US taxpayer infusions of capital all of the securities representing the ownership of these businesses (see Provision #3 for the exception) will be treated as though the business had actually made a bankruptcy filing. When US taxpayers recapitalize the insolvent institutions, a new class of shares shall be issued. Those securities will: (1) become the property of the US taxpayers and (2) be deposited into a Trust, called the Social Security Trust, for the benefit of all Social Security system participants.

As the business activity of the citizenry revives the economic vitality of these institutions, the value of shares in those rescued institutions will increase. As they increase in value they will become the financial backbone for the Social Security system – a system that now has no real assets but for the social security taxes taken from future payrolls. The SST shall be managed by a FIDuciary Oversight Board (FIDOB) whose members shall; be experienced investment fiduciaries, report directly to the President of the United States and be subject to oversight by the General Accountability Office. When there is clear evidence that the rescued financial institutions are stable, the FIDOB may examine the prudence of selling the securities to the highest bidder in the marketplace. While such a program would require the President’s and GAO’s approval, the proceeds from a sale will remain as SST assets.

By implementing the actions proposed in this Petition, we citizens of the United States will:
• recapitalize the financial infrastructure of the country,
• employ market-based principles consistent with the intent of our laws,
• substantially alleviate (not solve) the financial burden upon our children of paying for Social Security benefits we have promised to give ourselves,
• create a governance model grounded in and guided by an authentic fiduciary standard of care (not how banks or bank regulators operate now),
• establish a Trust with real assets that serve as a financial backbone for Social Security, and
• exemplify our President’s call for individual responsibility.

Please visit sociallyresponsibleres... to read the entire 7 page Petition and sign it.
Pass it along to friends, family and colleagues. Thank You.

Bank Nationalization: It's Just Plain Wrong

Check this out:

Proposal from Citizens of the United States of America
It is time that we eliminate the privatization of profits and the socialization of losses.

Summary (one page)
US taxpayers are being asked to incur massive debt to recapitalize insolvent financial institutions. While a sound banking system is required to drive economic activity – HOW we implement this rescue is critical. If the rescue of these institutions is adopted as proposed, (the “good” bank / “bad” bank proposal) we will recapitalize the same management, Board of Directors and oversight structure that created these catastrophic circumstances in the first place. If adopted, this proposal will effectively shield them from having to bear responsibility for their actions. In addition, it will impose a debt upon us that is so burdensome it will strangle our capacity for economic growth, threaten our liberty and diminish future opportunity for our children. There is no measure of maturity, honor or decency in encumbering our children with massive debt to pay for our generation’s mistakes and the inept management of our affairs. We must demand an alternative course of action from our government. This Proposal offers such an alternative.

In this Proposal we citizens propose that in exchange for US taxpayer infusions of capital all of the securities representing the ownership of these businesses (see Provision #3 for the exception) will be treated as though the business had actually made a bankruptcy filing. When US taxpayers recapitalize the insolvent institutions, a new class of shares shall be issued. Those securities will: (1) become the property of the US taxpayers and (2) be deposited into a Trust, called the Social Security Trust, for the benefit of all Social Security system participants.

As the business activity of the citizenry revives the economic vitality of these institutions, the value of shares in those rescued institutions will increase. As they increase in value they will become the financial backbone for the Social Security system – a system that now has no real assets but for the social security taxes taken from future payrolls. The SST shall be managed by a FIDuciary Oversight Board (FIDOB) whose members shall; be experienced investment fiduciaries, report directly to the President of the United States and be subject to oversight by the General Accountability Office. When there is clear evidence that the rescued financial institutions are stable, the FIDOB may examine the prudence of selling the securities to the highest bidder in the marketplace. While such a program would require the President’s and GAO’s approval, the proceeds from a sale will remain as SST assets.

By implementing the actions proposed in this Petition, we citizens of the United States will:
• recapitalize the financial infrastructure of the country,
• employ market-based principles consistent with the intent of our laws,
• substantially alleviate (not solve) the financial burden upon our children of paying for Social Security benefits we have promised to give ourselves,
• create a governance model grounded in and guided by an authentic fiduciary standard of care (not how banks or bank regulators operate now),
• establish a Trust with real assets that serve as a financial backbone for Social Security, and
• exemplify our President’s call for individual responsibility.

Please visit sociallyresponsibleres... to read the entire 7 page Petition and sign it.
Pass it along to friends, family and colleagues. Thank You.



On Feb 15 04:40 PM ClydeDNA wrote:

> Genie. I hate to tell you this but the innocent investors already
> lost their money, Citi for example who merged with the Wacos, is
> mostly owned by the commies (i.e. USA). I'm just kidding, but you
> know of course that Russia and China are not communistic at all.
> Those countries are run by capitalist dictators. Our country is a
> democracy with our leaders chosen by the people. It's too bad that
> human beings on the average are such a bunch of crap, otherwise getting
> rid of the Kings and Queens would have been fantastic! We replaced
> them almost world-wide with a bunch of nincompoops. Human beings
> need to do a better job at choosing leaders and then getting involved.
>
>
> Nitram. I know you want to punish those CEO that still have jobs,
> but except for Madoff, nobody is going to even pay a fine.
>
> The collateral that underwrote all those $trillions in loans is going
> down in value. The banks are broke! Hang the banker CEOs! …that's
> not going to help. What do we do now?
>
> First I want you to cheer up and face the future in a positive manner.
> Unless you got a car with a Flux capacitor, we are going forward.
> You know, this is the very first time that everyone I voted for actually
> won. I've voted a lot of times over the years. I'm going to stay
> involved as much as I can and hope for the best rather than worry
> about the worst. I'm going to stay positive about my life going forward,
> even though as Yogi once said "the future is not as good as it used
> to be".
>
> And I'm going to try to figure where all the money came from so I
> can figure where it's going -- and get some.
>
> video.google.com/video...
>