The Recession Is Already Priced Into Stocks

Oct. 24, 2008 3:36 PM ETUPS, DD, SPY30 Comments
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Greg Feirman

On February 8th, with the S&P trading around 1330, I wrote “Stocks Now Priced For Mild Recession”.

Because I was expecting a severe recession, I didn’t yet feel that stocks fully discounted what was on the horizon. Nine months later and 460 points lower, I believe that a severe recession is now priced into stocks.

The economy is going to be terrible in 2009. Yesterday morning, UPS reported a 3.4% decline in average daily volume of US packages for the 3rd quarter (UPS 3Q Earnings Release). Dow Chemical (DOW) reported a 9% decrease in global sales volume, including a 15% drop in North America for the 3rd quarter (DOW 3Q Earnings Release - see pg. 11). These are clear indications of an economy going into a deep recession.

But stocks valuations now reflect this. UPS is trading for about 13 times this year’s earnings. DOW is trading for about 8 times. Even if earnings drop by 25% in 2009, these stocks are not expensive.

I think the same can be said for the S&P 500 as a whole. Peak earnings for this cycle (3Q 2006 - 2Q 2007) were $85 for the S&P as a whole. Even if that drops by 25% in 2009, that’s $64, which is a 13.6 forward multiple on the current price (1370). If earnings drop by 40% next year, a depression-like outcome, the forward multiple for the S&P is still only 17. It feels to me as if stocks are, at current prices, already discounting some really bad outcomes.

As I wrote about on Wednesday, many of the best investors in the world see value at these levels.

Following up on his NY Times Op-Ed, Warren Buffett on Wednesday told a crowd at the Long Beach Arena in California that his personal account is now 100% invested in US stocks.

Yes, 2009 is going to be bad. Yes, the economy is heading for a severe recession. But it’s discounted by stocks at this point. Unless you think we’re headed for a stock market crash or depression, now is a time to buy stocks.

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Greg Feirman is the Founder & CEO of Top Gun Financial (, a hedge fund like Registered Investment Advisor now based in the Bay Area, CA. Twitter @TopGunFP

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