Exelon Corp. Q4 2008 Earnings Call Transcript

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Exelon Corp. (NYSE:EXC) Q4 2008 Earnings Call January 22, 2009 11:00 AM ET


Chaka Patterson – Vice President of Investor Relations

John W. Rowe – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Matthew F. Hilzinger – Sr. VP and Chief Financial Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Generation

Kenneth W. Cornew – Sr. VP, Exelon Corporation; President, Exelon Power Team

Robert K. McDonald – Subsidiary Sr. Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Anne R. Pramaggiore – Executive Vice President, Divisional


John Kiani – Deutsche Bank Securities

Jonathan Arnold – Merrill Lynch

Hugh Wynne – Sanford Bernstein

Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates


(Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Chaka Patterson, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead sir.

Chaka Patterson

Welcome to Exelon’s fourth quarter 2008 earning's review and conference call update. Thank you for joining us today. We issued our earning's release this morning. If you haven’t received it, the release is available on the Exelon Website at www.exeloncorp.com or you can call [Delores Mugia] at 312-394-5222 and she will fax or email the release to you.

Before we begin today’s discussion, let me remind you that the earning's release and other matters we discuss on today’s call contain forward-looking statements and estimates that are subject to various risks and uncertainties as well as adjusted non-GAAP operated earnings.

Please refer to today's 8-K and our other SEC filings for discussions of factors that may cause results to differ from management's projections, forecasts, and expectations and for a reconciliation of operating earnings to GAAP earnings.

In addition during the call we will be discussing Exelon’s exchange offer to acquire NRG Energy Inc. and Exelon’s intention to solicit proxies for meetings of NRG and Exelon shareholders. Today’s discussion does not constitute an offer to exchange or a solicitation of an offer to exchange NRG’s shares and it is not a substitute for the exchange offer documents we have filed with the SEC or the proxy statements that we intend to file with the SEC.

For important additional information regarding the offer and the proxy statements, please refer to the earnings release in today’s 8-K. Leading the call today are John Rowe, Exelon’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Matthew Hilzinger, Exelon’s Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. They are joined by other members of the Exelon’s senior management team who will be available to answer your questions.

We have scheduled 60 minutes for this call. I will now turn the call over to John Rowe, Exelon’s CEO.

John W. Rowe

Good morning, everyone and happy New Year, 2008 was another good year for Exelon and we met our expectations in spite of all of the turbulence of the fourth quarter. I want to provide you a little more perspective on 2008 and then I will try to provide you a little more perspective on our purposed transaction with NRG and I will end, as I almost always do, by talking about Exelon’s long term value proposition.

I think, given what’s going on around us, the Exelon value proposition as shown by its 2008 results is as good as it gets and the team around me is committed to continuing to produce doing these difficult times.

In the fall we have witnessed that as all of you are painfully aware tumult in the market places, the like of which most of us have never seen. Exelon did not go unharmed, but neither were we severely damaged. We delivered a strong fourth quarter and an especially strong one in light of the severely deteriorating economic conditions.

This morning we reported operating earnings of a $1.07 per share for the quarter and operating earnings of $4.20 per share for the full year. These results are well within our original guidance range of $4.00 to $4.40 per share.

Indeed, we hit it dead in the middle and they are very well within the guidance range of $4.15 to $4.30 per share that we announced at the beginning of September when everybody felt better about the world than they do today. Matt will walk you through the specific drivers shortly.

Suffice it today to say that I view these results as both a tribute to the value platform that Exelon is and a huge accomplishment for all of our operating groups. Exelon generation, especially nuclear power team, ComEd and PECO, everybody pulled in to make this a good year and I don’t think I've ever been as proud of my management team as I am as we sit here today.

We did what we promised you we would do, deliver sustainable value. We did it through good operations. We did it by protecting the value of our generation. We did it by continuing to work on the value of our delivery companies and we set the industry standard for low carbon energy generation.

And as the NRG transaction represents, we are constantly looking for good ways to grow in the future but we do it in a way that is hard-headed, indeed cold-blooded. Now let me begin by talking about operations.

Everything we do depends upon the quality of our operations and upon our commitment to continuous improvement in those operations and in the last year we have had the best performance across the board that I have seen. Chip Pardee and his nuclear team had a stellar year achieving a capacity factor of 93.9%, their sixth consecutive year above 93% and one of the fleet's best ever and they did it with more refueling outages than they had the year before.

Mark Shiavoni, [Dwyle Benedy] and their team at Exelon Power also enjoyed a successful year with their highest summer commercial availability.

ComEd’s 2008 customer outage frequency of 1.13 was its second best performance in over a decade. PECO had its best ever performance in reliability for non-storm days reducing the number of outage customers experienced by more than 12%. Now we of course have challenges. We need to keep working on the duration of outages. We need to keep working on getting more out of less dollars. We’ll talk about some of those challenges, but these are very fine results and they’re reflected in our net income.

When it comes to protecting the value of our generation, Power Team led by Ken Cornew this year, delivered another distinguished performance. Power Team was able to increase margins in 2008 by roughly 9% from $35.16 per mega watt hour to $38.48, and it benefited from higher forward power prices this summer by locking in a portion of our sales for the next few years.

When things looked all roses in the spring our hedging policies were questioned and I must say we even questioned them ourselves when natural gas hit $14.00. And as I have said before and will say again, we hedge to protect the value of our generation across the business sector. What we are currently seeing, something like $5.00 natural gas is one of the things our hedging program protects us against.

And I think [Ian McClain] and Ken Cornew and [Jill Glace] and the rest of their team deserve a great deal of credit for sticking to their plans and they are clearly going to benefit us in 2009 as they did in the fourth quarter. Indeed another $1.00 drop in gas prices would have very little effect on Exelon's near-term earnings precisely because of [Ian's] hedging program.

Now going to our delivery companies, both ComEd and PECO had constructive rate cases in 2008. In ComEd it was their delivery service tariffs and in PECO it was a gas rate case. The ICC granted ComEd an annual revenue increase over $270 million and the Pennsylvania Commission approved PECO's recent gas rate settlement resulting in an annual revenue increase of over $75 million. The result in these cases will help us in 2009.

I think Anne Pramaggiore, John Hooker, Bob McDonald, Darryl Bradford and others deserve a lot of credit for a very hard won case in Illinois and likewise in Pennsylvania, Dennis and his great team did and absolutely phenomenal job with the gas rate case.

We believe that ComEd will have an ROE of somewhere between 7 and 9% in 2009 and Anne is hard at work preparing a forward test year based rate case for filling sometime during the year and the increase PECO gas rate revenues will be very helpful there.

Turning to our low carbon position, as you all know the President is committed to carbon regulation, climate regulation. I assume you are equally aware that that goes for the Chairman of the Senate Committee and the new Chairman of the House to Commerce Committee, Henry Waxman.

In 2008, we reinforced our commitment to setting the industry standard for low carbon energy generation with Exelon 2020. It represents the industry's only comprehensive credible plan to reduce, offset or displace its carbon foot print by 2020. We, of course, can do this because of our nuclear waste.

We have made progress this year during that goal and during 2008 we will partly surpass our voluntary goal of an 8% reduction under the EPA climate leaders programs. According to our latest figures we are about half way toward achieving our goal of a 25% reduction in energy consumption across our portfolio agreements.

And we continue to offer more low carbon energy to the market place, this year adding a total of close to 210 megawatts of solar, bio mass and wind power purchase agreements to our portfolio. Betsy Muller has kept us an active part of U.S. cap, which made a major policy statement last week in terms of getting industry and environmental agreement to both the President's long-term goals and also to an allocation formula, which would give 40% of any free allowances to the electricity sector.

This is another step forward in achieving a consensus on how to deal with climate. We are evaluating several kinds of growth opportunities. Let me start with the most straight-forward. We are pursuing 350 megawatts of upgrades at our nuclear plants by 2014 and we are evaluating an additional 1100 megawatts of potential upgrades.

We continue to evaluate the feasibility of a nuclear plant in Victoria County, Texas but we expect to be in the second phase in DOE's loan guarantee considerations for that project. We had filed a combined construction permit and operating license applications with the NRC but we continue to follow this project very closely both in terms of alternative designs and in terms of its economics in the present merchant environment.

Now let me turn to the transaction that interests us most at the moment, probably you. On January 7th we announced very positive progress in our NRG acquisition. NRG share holders tendered approximately 106 million shares or 45.6% of the outstanding shares.

We consider this a major accomplishment for a first round. As we announced publicly, per requirements, earlier this week I met with David Crane to discuss the transaction in hopes of initiating due diligence.

NRG is unwilling to do so based on our current bid. We believe their refusal to allow due diligence is another sign of entrenchment on the part of the NRG board and management, and we believe that they must, at some point, begin to pay attention to the very large contingent of share holders that have already tendered, based on our exchange offering.

Our will is equally strong and I believe the numbers are with us. My meeting with David Crane did absolutely nothing to weaken our commitment to seeing this transaction through to completion. I believe our prospects for success continue to improve.

I strongly urge NRG shareholders to tender their shares on or before the new expiration date of February 25th in order to make possible a real negotiation based on due diligence. We will shortly announce and propose a slate of well qualified, independent candidates for the NRG Board of Directors.

We are absolutely committed to pursuing and closing this deal. We are committed to working with the rating agencies to try to find a way to do it and maintain investment grade for both Exelon and all of its subsidiaries and we will continue to engage in dialogue with all three rating agencies to achieve that result.

To you as Exelon share holders, I want to make clear that this is about value. Exelon is built on the relentless pursuit of real value. We are doing this not out of ego, but because the numbers say we can obtain somewhere between $1 and $3 billion of value by accomplishing it.

To NRG's bond holders, I say that you have seen your bonds trade up since we announced the deal and trade up even more as the markets have improved. We have achieved substantial value for you already. Our projections and I believe yours show more value flowing your way when the deal closes.

To those on this call who are also NRG share holders, I say that the 37% premium to the October 17th closing price results in $2 billion of near term value to you and also the opportunity to participate in the $1.5 to $3 billion of synergies created by the combined company, and also in the benefits of owning a piece of the nation's largest nuclear fleet.

Now for all of you Exelon shareholders, NRG bondholders and NRG shareholders, I say this. A combination like this provides a very unique opportunity to create tremendous value for a lot of people. But, as I have said before, the Exelon management will continue to do this on a hard-headed value basis.

If you want to get this done, please help us put it together. The deal simply cannot get done if everyone wants to get all of the value. I believe it can be done. I think the results that we got in early January say that it will be done, but it requires a lot of hard work to get there.

I ask the support of the Exelon shareholders. We seek the support of others to make this transaction work. If we can work it not only creates value for all stakeholders, it creates the kind of generation company that the market needs with the kind of national presence that the market needs and the kind of balance sheets that the market needs. We believe this works.

Now turning to Exelon’s long-term value at the EEI Financial Conference last November, we announced that our 2009 earning's range would be within our general earning's range for 2008. Needless to say we are not ecstatic with flat earnings for another year, but the growth will be there over time and in this economy that’s a very attractive earning's range.

We continue to have the things that produce value. Our 17 nuclear plants are the best advantage platform in the industry. They provide a low-cost, low-carbon generation source. This advantage increases as the care rules on air pollution have been reinstated and make their way into [inaudible]. They will increase more as Washington regulates carbon conditions.

We have the advantage of selling the output from these nuclear plants in the most attractive competitive markets. We reinforce these advantages with an investment grade balance sheet, BBB minus, consolidated basis, BBB at the generation company, strong credit metrics, substantial cash flows, indeed over $4.5 billion likely in 2009 and ample access to liquidity, over $7 billion of aggregate bank commitments to 2012.

We protect these advantages to our hedging program including the slot contract between ComEd and [inaudible] and through our risk management practices. Our approach to our balance sheet worked through the great Enron and Dynergy crisis a few years ago. It is working well through this financial turmoil in 2008 and 2009 and I believe they will continue to work as we all work very hard to weather the recession.

We are committed to further efforts on cost control and capital expenditure management and we will share the results of those efforts with you as we have them. We believe we are uniquely positioned to accomplished NRG transaction and that will create further value.

I believe that Exelon continues to offer the opportunities to give you a very, very special value and I am absolutely committed to doing that. But more than that, so are my colleagues around this table, as we talk to you. I know everybody wants everything to be upbeat and you all have known me for a very long time and know that painting things in rosy colors is not my greatest strength.

But these are the times that call for what I have to give. These are the times that call for what Exelon has to give and these are the times that call for what this management team has shown you it can give. I think our 2008 results are pretty special, all things considered and I hope you do, too.

I'll now turn the call over to Matt.

Matthew F. Hilzinger

Starting with slide three, I've highlighted my key messages for this morning. We have provided a significant amount of detail regarding our results in our earnings release and the accompanying tables, therefore, I'll spend my time this morning discussing our results for the quarter and the full year, our 2009 outlook, our excellent liquidity position and strong balance sheet metrics.

Starting with our current quarter results on slide four, we reported operating earnings of $1.07 per share in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared to $1.02 per share in the fourth quarter of 2007. Our fourth quarter results were strong despite difficult economic conditions, reflecting higher earnings at Exelon Generation and ComEd, while PECO reported lower earnings than the prior year as expected.

For the year, Exelon's 2008 operating earnings were $4.20 per share, down from $4.32 per share in 2007.

I'll start by mentioning two events that affect quarter-over-quarter results that will not be covered in my discussions of the operating company results. First, Exelon Corp. made a $50 million pre-tax contribution to the Exelon Foundation in the fourth quarter of 2007.

Second, Exelon, at the consolidated level, recognized a benefit from a tax settlement related to the capitalization of indirect overhead cost of $0.06 per share in the fourth quarter of 2007, and $0.02 per share in the fourth quarter of 2008.

The settlement contributed positively to the fourth quarter earnings of ComEd and PECO in both 2008 and 2007, while having a negative impact on the earnings of Generation in the fourth quarter of 2007.

Turning to slide five, you will see the key drivers for Exelon Generation's quarter-over-quarter higher operating earnings.

First, portfolio market conditions were $0.02 per share favorable in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared to the fourth quarter of 2007, largely due to higher margins, offset by higher cost and several discreet income items from 2007.

The average margins realized by Exelon Generation were $2.58 per megawatt hour, higher on average in the fourth quarter of 2008 as compared to the fourth quarter of 2007, reflecting higher average realized hedge and capacity prices during the quarter, and lower purchase power costs, offset by lower spot prices and higher uranium fuel costs.

These results continue to illustrate the effectiveness of PowerTeam's hedging program, as around-the-clock market prices were roughly 10% lower at PGM West Hub and 17% lower at Ni-Hub in the fourth quarter of 2008 as compared to the fourth quarter of 2007.

Second, our nuclear group continued their exceptional operational performance this quarter with higher nuclear volumes benefiting quarter-over-quarter results by $0.02 per share. Exelon Nuclear achieved a capacity factor of 93.7% in the fourth quarter of 2008, which is higher than the 91% achieved in the fourth quarter of 2007.

In terms of planned refueling outage days, Exelon Nuclear had 80 refueling days in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared to 91 days in the fourth quarter of 2007. With respect to non-fueling outage days, Exelon Nuclear had five fewer days quarter-over-quarter with 22 in the fourth quarter of this year as compared to 27 in the fourth quarter of last year.

O&M costs at Exelon Generation were unfavorable in the fourth quarter of 2008 compared to 2007, driven by impacts of inflation, hire labor and related expenses and increased costs associated with nuclear refueling outages.

This was partially offset by lower O&M related to a possible new nuclear plant in Texas, due to an expense that we recognized in the fourth quarter of 2007 associated with [Longweed] equipment.

Last, Exelon Generation's fourth quarter 2007 results reflect a gain of 0.06 per share realized due to a rebalancing of investments in the Nuclear Decommissioning Trust.

For the full year 2008, Exelon Generation contributed $3.46 of operating earnings per Exelon share compared to a contribution of $3.45 per share in 2007. These results were achieved despite two additional refueling outages at Exelon-operated plants and one additional outage at Salem in 2008 as compared to 2007. They also reflect higher wholesale margins realized year-over-year.

Turning to ComEd on slide six, you'll see the key drivers of ComEd's higher quarter-over-quarter results with the most significant driver being higher distribution revenues reflective of the September 2008 distribution order, partially offset by the discreet impacts of a tax method change that had a more favorable impact on earnings in the fourth quarter of 2007 as compared to 2008.

For the year 2008, ComEd contributed $0.33 of operating earning per Exelon share, an increase over 2007 operating earnings of $0.30 per share. The increase is largely due to higher distribution and transmission revenues.

Turning to slide seven, ComEd experienced a decrease in weather-normalized retail deliveries across all customer classes in the fourth quarter of 2008, with an average decrease of 1.6%. The small and large C&I customer classes experienced the most significant decline quarter-over-quarter.

At the time of the EEI Conference in November, ComEd had forecasted an average decline in 2009 weather-normalized deliveries across all customer classes of 0.1%. As a result of the decline in the fourth quarter of electric deliveries, along with deteriorating economic outlooks, ComEd has decreased its 2009 local forecast to a negative 1.1%, with a negative 0.6% forecasted for the residential class, as shown on this slide.

Turning now to PECO on slide 8, you will see the key drivers of PECO's quarter-over-quarter decline in operating earnings including the scheduled increase in PECO's CTC amortization of $0.02 per share. As we discussed on our third-quarter earnings call, PECO reported higher than normal levels of bad debt expense through the first nine months of 2008.

PECO has implemented multiple measures to mitigate the deterioration of accounts receivable aging and to mitigate increased uncollectible customer accounts including being more active on the customer collection front.

I'm pleased to report that PECO's bad debt expense came in as expected in the fourth quarter of 2008 at $24 million pre-tax, which is 1 cent per share favorable to the fourth quarter of 2007. We believe the effects of not terminating customers during the implementation of the new PECO billing system are now behind us.

We have honed our credit and collection processes leaving us in a good position to manage uncollectible customer accounts and bad debt expense going forward, obviously subject to weakening economic conditions.

For the full year of 2008, PECO contributed $0.49 of operating earnings per Exelon share, a decrease from 2007 operating earnings of $0.75 per share. The year-over-year decrease at PECO is largely driven by higher bad debt expense of $0.09 per share, and higher CTC amortization of $0.08 per share.

Turning to slide nine, PECO experienced a decrease in weather-normalized retail deliveries across most customer classes in the fourth quarter of 2008, with an average decrease of 1.1%. The large C&I customer class experienced the most significant decline quarter-over-quarter.

At the time of the EEI Conference in November, PECO had forecasted an average increase in 2009 weather-normalized electric deliveries across all customer classes of 0.2%. Similar to ComEd, and as shown on this slide, PECO's forecast has now turned to a negative 1.1%, with a negative 0.5% forecasted for the residential class.

Turning to slide ten, we are reaffirming Exelon's 2009 nine-gap operating earnings guidance range of $4.00 to $4.30 per share, and we are expecting our first quarter 2009 operating earnings to be in the range from $1.10 to $1.20 per share.

We anticipate that 2009 will be a very challenging year given the implications of lower commodity prices and the continued slow economy reflected in the negative low growth that I discussed earlier and continued pressure on customer collections accounted in PECO.

Since issuing our 2009 guidance in November we are now facing an incremental increase in our pension and OPEB expense of roughly $115 million in 2009 after discount rates dropped roughly 180 basis points during the last two months of the year, putting additional pressure on a year that already has its share of challenges.

In addition to our 2009 earnings guidance it already contemplates over $100 million of O&M savings due to our cost management initiatives. While we’ve now reaching these challenges we remain committed to meeting our 2009 earnings guidance range, we have identified several items throughout the business including opportunities presented through tax planning and the reinstatement of the Clean Air Interstate Rule that we are pursuing in order to offset these challenges.

In addition we are over 90% financially hedged in 2009, largely mitigating the potential earnings impact of lower commodity prices.

Turning to slide 11, we are estimating that pension and OPEB will increase by $115 million and $65 million respectively or $180 million in total on a pre-tax basis from 2008 to 2009. As I mentioned earlier, this increase is largely due to lower than expected asset returns and a decline in the discount rate.

In 2008 we have assumed that the assets held in our pension and OPEB trust fund would return 8.75% on an annual basis. Actual returns on those investments in 2008 were close to a negative 26%. This lower than expected return in 2008 will be recognized through higher pension and OPEB expense in future periods starting in 2009.

In addition we have lowered our long range return expectation for investments in our pension and OPEB trust from 8.75%, 8.5% starting in 2009, which will further increase future expense.

Moving to discount rates, our 2009 pension and OPEB expense is calculated using the relevant discount rate at December 31, 2008. This year-end discount rate was determined to be 6.09%, which is slightly lower than the prior discount rate of 6.20% and is roughly 180 basis points lower than the discount rates observable when we issued our 2009 earnings guidance in November of 2008.

From a cash perspective we expect cash contributions for pension and OPEB increase by $87 million year-over-year from $243 million in 2008 to $330 million in 2009.

Turning to slide 12, we are focused on capturing cost reduction opportunities through sustainable efficiency and productivity improvements. We are forecasting our 2009 operating expense to be relatively flat to 2008. As I briefly mentioned, we are facing about $180 million year-over-year increase in pension and OPEB expense in addition to inflationary pressures both of which are driving up O&M expense year-over-year.

These increases in O&M are largely offset by expected lower bad debt expense of PECO in addition to our commitment to reduce 2009 O&M cost by over $100 million. We contemplated these cost reductions in our 2009 operating earnings guidance that we provided to you in November and are reaffirming today.

This $100 million in cost savings will be realized through sustainable productivity improvements across all operating companies using a multi pronged approach.

First we are evaluating our governance model and corporate and shared service functions to ensure the structures are optimally designed to support the operating companies and that their cost structures are appropriate.

Second, each operating company’s leading productivity initiatives specific to opportunities within its business. Third, we will implement more rigorous planning and performance measurement tools that allows us to better identify areas for productivity improvement and measure progress against our plan. Lastly, we are committed to sustainable productivity and cost reductions that benefit us over the long term. This is not a onetime cost cutting initiative.

Given the significant increase in pension and OPEB costs coupled with the slowing low growth of potential slowdown in customer collections and power prices at levels lower than a year ago, meeting our 2009 earnings guidance will require continued excellence in operations, a razor sharp focus on costs and successfully realizing opportunities through tax planning and otherwise. We are committed to executing on that and delivering earnings within our guidance range.

Moving now to slide 13, I’ll conclude by reminding you that Exelon balance sheet liquidity position are one of the strongest in the industry and we employ rigorous risk management practices including diligently executing on our hedging program.

We are over 90% financially hedged in 2009 and close to 90% financially hedged in 2010. We have and are committed to investment grade credit ratings at Exelon and all of our operating companies can maintain strong balance sheet metrics. We’re forecasting and FFO to debt ratio of 23% in 2009 and continued improvement in 2010.

We have $7.3 billion of aggregate bank commitments with a diverse group of 23 banks with no one bank having more than 10% of the aggregate outstanding commitments at Exelon. As of January 16, Exelon had $6.9 billion available under these facilities with sufficient liquidity to address the challenges of 2009.

Finally, across Exelon and all of its subsidiaries we have only $29 million total debt maturities in 2009 excluding securitization debt. With the momentum of a strong fourth quarter behind us we are focused on continuing to deliver top tier operations, managing our costs and meeting our financial targets in 2009 and with that I’ll turn the call back over to Chaka Patterson.

Chaka Patterson

Operator we are ready for questions.

Question-and-Answer Session


(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of John Kiani – Deutsche Bank Securities.

John Kiani – Deutsche Bank Securities

Can you talk about how the negotiations with the NRG bond holders on the potential for a waiver of change of control are progressing and then also in conjunction with that, are you still interested as you’ve stated in your recent investor presentations, are you still interested in pursuing an alternative structure that is more of a [Topco] merger to avoid triggering change of control if the negotiations are not successful?

John W. Rowe

Yes I can comment, but any comments have to be taken with a little care because this is one of those things that you don’t have soup till it’s cooked. We’ve had some very constructive discussions with the NRG bond holders. As of this week, we seem to be too far apart and that appears to make it necessary for us to plan on trying to implement the [Topco] methodology, but this is all about money and discussions about money have a way of getting reopened.

We think the NRG bond holders have benefited greatly from our proposal being in play. They’ve obviously benefited yet again from improvements in the bond marketplace and the discussion at the moment involves issues like are those improvements in the marketplace stable.

And at the moment we simply don’t have a deal, but this all about money. We’ve had very cordial discussions with them. We’re quite certain they want this deal to happen as their financial interest makes clear that it should. But indeed if you look at current bond prices you know refinancing those is not out of the realm of possibility, so this is a discussion that will continue but meanwhile we’re looking at the [Topco] plan.

John Kiani – Deutsche Bank Securities

I have just one other question as well. Can you provide some color on just high level on Lieutenant Governor Pat Quinn's view about the market in Illinois and you know where he kind of shakes out? Are his views consistent with the Attorney General what you’re thinking about that?

John W. Rowe

Well Lieutenant Governor Quinn will have a plate full when he takes over and I think we’re in a place where we can work with him, because in the current markets ComEd is not likely to have very significant increases in its power purchase costs.

So I think his natural reaction is to favor more regulatory structures. But after going through a lot of again with the Attorney General a year or two ago I think we’re now in a place where the market results are going to be more favorable for consumer orientated political figures that are the fully integrated regulated results, so I think we’ll be able to work with the Lieutenant Governor if and when he becomes governor.

I mean it’s very clear that Lieutenant Governor Quinn is most interested in things like energy efficiency were we have a wonderful record, in renewable were our record is better than most, and in things like smart grid that Anne Pramaggiore and Frank and Rob McDonald are already working on along with Barry.

So I think we’ll be able to find a way to work with Lieutenant Governor Quinn on all of his major objectives, but he’s very much a pro regulation kind of political figure. Anne Pramaggiore you want to add anything to that? Frank is not on the call today so.

Anne Pramaggiore

I think you captured it, John.

John Kiani – Deutsche Bank Securities

So your basic point is that because power and gas prices are so low at this point there doesn’t seem to be a big, obviously rate increase issue from that stand point.

John W. Rowe

That’s my basic point, yes. Next question Operator.


Your next question comes from Jonathan Arnold.

Jonathan Arnold – Merrill Lynch

I have a question on, Matt talked a couple of times about things that you’re doing or opportunities to offset some of the pressures that you had from Pension and commodities since you originally gave the guidance.

I think I heard him mention something related to Care, the clean air rule and also tax planning. Could you be a bit more specific about what you mean by those and the scope of and size of potentially some of those offsets?

Matt Hilzinger

Yes. John, I’ll take this is Matt Hilzinger. First I just want to re-emphasize our commitment to the cost management initiative that we've got. I mean that is the real tool that we have to drive value for the shareholders. We're absolutely committed to that.

We do need to offset part of this pension increase of about $150 million and we are looking at some very specific tax planning opportunities, which, I’m just not at a liberty to get into here on – in kind of a public disclosure because they're just – they are tax planning initiatives and they're generally held confidential.

Care, we do expect some opportunities through Care. They will help offset it. It will not come all at once. It may come over time but we do see some very specific opportunities there. See if Enid had anything or Ken that they wanted to add there.

Kenneth W. Cornew

Yes. I just had obviously if the nocks and socks market is recovered pretty dramatically as a result of the reinstatement, then that’s where the upside is that wasn’t there and you know December 31st when OPEC did it.

Jonathan Arnold – Merrill Lynch

To be clear there is no – you talked about the cost saving opportunities. You’re not targeting any additional cost savings beyond the $100 million at this point than you originally had in the plan, is that correct?

Matthew F. Hilzinger

You know we’ve got a commitment to get the hundred. Obviously if we can more than that we’re not going to set our sight at just 100, we're going to pursue more than that. Now whether we get more in 2009, that’s an open question but we’re going to continue to push hard to get as much as we can, but clearly the guidance that we’ve given you we’ve talked about a $100 million John.

John W. Rowe

Let me just add one particular area. Frank Clark and Barry and Anne have indicated to me that the ComEd will develop a plan for re-accessing its capital requirements. I mean if you look at these numbers we want to be very careful at ComEd to continue to spend the money that’s necessary both to continue to strengthen the system and maintain and commitment to the smart grid initiative.

But ComEd's capital expenditures are out of order compared to PECO’s. We’ve been doing that for a number of years because quite frankly ComEd’s spent too little for a long time and the system continues to be hungry for capital.

But on the other hand, if we’re seeing flat to 1% negative load growth, it’s just hard to believe the system needs a whole billion dollars and Frank and Barry and Bob and Anne and others are committed to taking that down a peg. And we take that capital down it also reduces operating expenses a little bit along with it as long as we do it in the right way.

Jonathan Arnold – Merrill Lynch

Could I just ask one follow up on that pension question? You gave this illustrative scenario analysis in the EEI presentation and based on the 2009 numbers look like they came in a little worse than you know I guess the worse scenario in that analysis, which also included you know contributions of $800 million, a little over $800 in 2010 an a billion four in 2011. Can you give us any indication of how those numbers might have all given the scenario you’re currently looking at?

Matthew F. Hilzinger

I’ll do that, John, and this is Matt again. Let me just spend a little bit of time on what happened this year again then I’ll talk a little bit about 2010. But the actual asset return if and I think with Jonathan for everybody on the phone he’s referring to page 33 in the EEI deck that’s on our Website.

But there’s a scenario there. It’s scenario four. And we did a little better on the asset performance, I say a little better by a point or a point and a half and actually that’s fairly large when you’re talking about $10 billion. We did a little worse on the discount rate, but it’s generally in the area of what Jonathan is referring to as scenario four, which causes a cash contribution this year of about 330.

In that scenario it suggest that if we have a continued decline in our assets of 15% so an additional 15% decline in 2009, that we would be looking at a contribution in 2010 for pension of $825 million, which is significantly over where we are now. And we put these out so everybody can see them.

You can’t run from them. You can’t hide from them. We're obviously like everybody is very disappointed with asset returns, but I think that we’re prepared and we have the liquidity to deal with that in 2010 if we need to.

I would add this though Jonathan, there is the Pension Relief Act, which was recently enacted provides a mechanism, should you elect it, to smooth your contributions, and it can dramatically change the amount of contribution that you would potentially have to make in 2010 by hundreds of millions of dollars.

That election is not required until September 15th and so we’re looking at that. Obviously we want to take care of everybody’s that covered by the pension and hope that will make the required contributions that we need to make, but we also see some opportunities out there to reduce the amount of cash that we may need to put into that plan in 2010 and 2011.

And then one last item is where still waiting to see if there is anything that comes out of Washington that provides any additional relief. Don’t know of anything right now but clearly we’re going to watch and in some cases pursue that. So does that answer your question, Jonathan?

Jonathan Arnold – Merrill Lynch

It does. Thank you.

John W. Rowe

Okay. Next question please.


Your next question comes from Hugh Wynne – Sanford Bernstein.

Hugh Wynne – Sanford Bernstein

I also had a question about your estimates of O&M expense and CapEx for 2009. I see that your expectation for O&M is it will be flat next year. Your expectation for CapEx is that it will go up by $200 million.

I guess my question is in light of some of the things that have been mentioned the flat load growth, a decline in most of the major commodity indices of 30% in the fourth quarter, it would seem to me that the need for CapEx and the cost of CapEx and O&M in so far is your spending less on steel and cement and copper and aluminum should allow some major savings opportunities.

But what we’re seeing here is just a flat O&M and an increase in CapEx. I wonder if you could shed some light on that. Is there room to drive these numbers down in 2009 or are you facing structural increases in pension expense, wage expense that I am not familiar with that are preventing that kind of cost savings from being realized?

John W. Rowe

Hugh, first you are familiar with the structural increases in wage expenses and pension expenses so there’s no secret there. We’ve tried to be very clear about both. But beyond that we kind of share your view. We just haven’t been able to put our hands on them to re-budgeted all of them.

Now one of the reasons you see the capital in Exelon Generation comes from our chance to do some more very economical power operates at these plants. But I think Chris is the one who should expand on this answer. My answer is we see the same variables you do and we’re hunting to make them real.

Chris, would you pick up on that?

Chris Pardee

Yes. Hugh, there’s a couple of things going on. Primarily the capital increase is driven by steam patch replacements, transformer replacements and power upgrades on extending the plant life for the nuclear assets.

Those will continue over the next three years as we bring the plants from their 40 year planned life into their 60 year planned life, and a good side benefit of that is 300 plus mega watts of increased generation, so they have a good return.

One of our focus areas in our cost reduction program is our leveraged procurement activities. As commodity prices decrease we will be picking up those savings into these projects. Engineered components lagged the reduction in the commodity price by a little bit.

In a year or two we will continue to try to, in transformer procurements and some of the other things we need, try to drive those down. But that’s the primary increase and even with the deteriorating market they’re required to maintain the material condition in the high availability of the nuclear units that we have.

The flat O&M is looking at eating through our cost saving's initiative and some adjustments and outages, but it’s primarily eating the inflation that you’re seeing year over year. That’s the area that John said that we’ll continue to focus on to find those opportunities through leverage procurement, contractor renegotiation, reduction in contract utilization and improvement in productivity, which is the point that Matt made on the three pronged approach.

The utilities are validating their low growth requirements and we’ll be analyzing those for their capital reduction in the next quarter. There will be more information coming on that. But as the situation as you know is fluid, they’ll be adjusting the plans to meet their reliability requirements.

John W. Rowe

Hugh, this is John. Let me just add one thing. We think we’ve done a pretty good job on the O&M side in looking at the budget as we go through this year. We’re going to keep working on both that and the capital side where I don’t think we may have made all the adjustments that we can.

We’re very committed to finding any of the changes you referred to. We see the commodity price thing too and it is an opportunity. On the other hand, we’re also committed not to just yo-yoing expenditure in the delivery companies.

We suffered from a long history of that and credibility with both the streets and the troops and the regulators is important here, so we want to do this right and not just yank things around because it would make us feel good for a day but I think we’ll find some more opportunities here.

Hugh Wynne – Sanford Bernstein

I am curious about your perspective on one commodity price decline in particular, which is the decline in the prices of gas relative to coal and the implication that may have for the future costs of CO2. It seemed to me that the cost of reducing CO2 in the power sector is very, very low right now because of the ease of which gas fired generation can be substituted or coal fire generation.

Is that something that you guys have a view on or thought through with implications on your CO2 upside and NRG’s CO2 downside?

John W. Rowe

Oh, yes. That’s one of the things that goes into our models all the time. It’s one of the reasons why we can’t just write a blank check to do NRG. It’s one of the reasons we've been hard headed on the view that this is an attractive transaction\ but like all transactions not attractive at any price.

We run new gas price scenarios through all of our models in terms of that transaction, but let me go to a larger part of what you are talking about. While we talk about no nuclear to deal with carbon and while we talk about various forms of renewables all of which are both politically popular and expensive, what we’re really going to see in this pricing environment is what is called the dash to gas.

Most new capacity needs will really be met by natural gas. We suspect that begins to push gas back up as you go out, but we have done our very best to model into both our long term planning and in to our NRG transaction values exactly the phenomena you just described.

John W. Rowe

Last question operator?


Your final question comes from Paul Patterson.

Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates

Really briefly you said there was a 7.9% ROE at ComEd and that Ann was looking…

John W. Rowe

Seven to nine is what I said, a range of somewhere of between seven and nine. Anne or Bob do you want to expand?

Robert K. McDonald

Yes. That is the estimate. It is predicated on rate case filing that we’re planning to make this year.

Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates


Robert K. McDonald

Seven to nine, 409 is based on the result from last year, quite further..

John W. Rowe

The new rates won't have much effects in ’09.

Robert K. McDonald

Further progress from that is predicated on the next trip.

Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates

Okay and then the tax planning, which you guys don’t want to elaborate on is that something that’s going to have a longer term impact or is that more of a 2009 impact that we’re talking about and do we have any idea about what the quantification of that or the potential impact of that might be just anything more you can…

John W. Rowe

We have a Tax Vice President with a shaved head and he ought to be given a chance to talk.

Unidentified Corporate Participant

The tax benefit that we’re referring to is long term. We’re really not at liberty at this point to quantify it. We haven’t configured the quantifications. We should know where that stands later in the first quarter.

Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates

Okay and then open EBITDA any thoughts there? You guys gave us some numbers at EEI based on July, obviously some things have been moving around?

John W. Rowe

You think gas prices might have fallen since July? Matt, Ian, who wants to pick up on that?

Matthew F. Hilzinger

My caveat would be – I think that’s why we like and are so supportive of our hedging program to deal with these types of changes in gas prices, so as we said we’re over 90% financially hedged in 2009? We’re I think close to the top of the range which is near 80% financially hedged in 2010.

So I think those continue to service well and I don’t, Ian I don’t know if you or Ken had anything in particular you wanted to elaborate on.

John W. Rowe

I think while they're thinking, we modeled our potential cash flows under various gas price scenarios and gas prices are the first driver effecting longer term power prices outside the hedge range. We’ve tried to do it with constant $6.00 gas, which is one group's feeling of a conservative stress case, more conservative than we think it will be and we’ve looked at how these things effect our cash flows.

Obviously the total amount of cash we can generate in five years is a couple billion dollars lower than if you assume gas that’s closer to $6.00 than $7.50, but you can do the scenarios analysis as well as we can. I don’t know what we have to add to that.

Chaka Patterson

Yes. Paul, this is Chaka, we gave you what the open EBITDA is. The assumptions and the sensitivities, so you can mark the open EBITDA. You can mark it and if you want to walk through that give me a call after and we can walk through it.

Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates

Sure that’s what I was thinking about, 2011’s seems to be, I mean you guys are now hedging out 2011 and 2011 seems to be something that you guys were sort of focusing on in terms of the uplift that was there and I was just wondering since you guys have hedged more it looks like in the business and update in the hedging and what have you, what are your expectations?

I mean have they changed at all or do you guys want to, I mean if you don’t want to revisit it on the call that’s cool I just sort of – I was just wondering if there is any more sort of thoughts that was associated with that in terms of what our expectations should be since there’s this hedged amount that you guys have in 2011 and of course prices have changed and we don’t know exactly where you hedged it at.

Chaka Patterson

Yes I think what I offered there Paul is that at EEI we gave a range of kind of $5.00 to $6.00 of what we expected in 2011 and I know it’s kind of a wide range but it’s to cover these types of things when you see these types of prices falling in such a short time and so I think that range is something that we still believe in and we’ll be somewhere within that.

I was just talking with Ian briefly and the financially hedged in 2010; is it 2010? It’s closer to 92% so we’re fairly well locked in but I think the guidance range of $5.00 to $6.00 is something that you guys ought to put a lot of stock in.

John W. Rowe

Okay thank you operator. That concludes our call.

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