JetBlue Airways Corporation Q2 2009 Earnings Call Transcript

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JetBlue Airways Corporation (NASDAQ:JBLU)

Q2 2009 Earnings Call

July 23, 2009 10:00 am ET


David Barger - CEO

Edward Barnes - CFO and Chief Accounting Officer


Mike Linenberg - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Jamie Baker - J.P. Morgan

William Greene - Morgan Stanley

James Parker - Raymond James

Bob McAdoo - Avondale Partners LLC

Gary Chase - Barclays Capital

Daniel McKenzie - Next Generation Equity Research

Michael Derchin - FTN Equity Capital Markets

Kevin Crissey - UBS

Helane Becker - Jesup & Lamont Securities Corporation

[Kim Zader] - Imperial Capital

Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company


Welcome to JetBlue Airways Corporation second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded.

We have on the call today Dave Barger, JetBlue's CEO, and Ed Barnes, JetBlue's CFO.

As a reminder, this morning's call includes forward-looking statements about future events. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements due to many factors and therefore investors should not place undue reliance on these statements. For additional information concerning factors that could cause results to differ from the forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's annual and periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

This call also references non-GAAP results. You can find a reconciliation of those non-GAAP results in JetBlue's earnings press conference release on the Investor Relations section of the company's website at

At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Dave Barger. Please go ahead, sir.

David Barger

Thank you, [Anthony.] Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

In the face of a very challenging economic environment, we're pleased to report our second consecutive quarterly profit. We reported net income of $20 million or earnings of $0.07 per diluted share. Included in these results is a $6 million gain related to the valuation of our auction rate securities. Excluding this gain our earnings for the quarter would have been $14 million or $0.05 per diluted share. This compares to a pre-tax loss of $13 million in the year ago quarter. At a time when we are facing one of the worst economic recessions in history, reporting a profit in two consecutive quarters is a significant accomplishment.

The recession is clearly having a major impact on the demand for air travel. Our unit revenues for the quarter were down 4% versus last year, and total revenues for the quarter were down 6% year-over-year. Fortunately, the actions we have taken over the past couple of years, including aggressive actions to manage our capacity and preserve liquidity, have prepared us to weather these challenges.

Despite challenging credit markets, we raised over $300 million in new liquidity during the second quarter. This, coupled with cash from operations and reduced capital expenditures, drove our cash balance to $880 million as of June 30. As a result, we believe we are in a strong position to navigate the current economic environment.

We've also benefited from lower fuel prices as the hedges we've put in place last year, when fuel prices were rising, are now rolling off. During the second quarter we paid about $140 million less for fuel than we paid during the same period last year, driving a 13% decline in our operating expenses. As a result, a operating income increased $55 million year-over-year.

JetBlue crew members continue to work together to run a terrific operation. For the first six months of the year our on-time performance has improved by more than 3 points versus last year. As a testament to the efforts of our crew members, we recently achieved the number one customer service ranking among low-cost carriers from J.D. Power for the fifth year in a row. This is an extraordinary accomplishment. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our 12,000 crew members for their hard work and dedication in delivering the JetBlue experience to our customers.

While the industry continues to face significant challenges, we've demonstrated the ability to adapt quickly on multiple fronts. Take Mexico, for example, where we moved quickly to reduce capacity as H1N1 developed as we were implementing immediate tactical capacity cuts within a week of the outbreak and redeploying aircraft and flight crews to other parts of our network with minimal cost impact. I should note that this could not have been accomplished without the solid working relationship we have with our crew members.

In addition, our fleet of Airbus A320s and Embraer 190s has provided flexibility in scheduling to better match capacity with demand in certain markets. Our strong liquidity position has also helped us seize market opportunities, particularly in the Caribbean.

Our continued focus on liquidity has allowed us to not only be nimble but also to build financial flexibility. As Ed will discuss in more detail, as fuel prices began to rise during the second quarter we purchased forward caps to protect against future fuel price volatility.

Our disciplined approach to capacity has paid a key role in our ability to successfully adapt to changing conditions. During the past couple of years we've restructured our fleet plan with the sale, lease and deferral of over 80 aircraft. As a result, we have removed significant capacity from our network. During the first half of this year our capacity was down 4% year-over-year.

We took delivery of six Embraer 190s and three Airbus A320s during the first half of the year and do not have any more deliveries scheduled for the rest of the year.

We still expect essentially flat ASM growth in 2009 versus 2008.

Looking beyond 2009, we continue to be disciplined about managing our capacity. Earlier this month we deferred the delivery of three Airbus A320s from 2010 to 2011. We believe this is prudent given the uncertainty in the economic environment and the tightening of the credit markets. Taking fewer aircraft will also help us keep our capital expenditures at modest levels, a critical component of improved free cash flow.

While we continue to be disciplined when it comes to capacity, we want to ensure we're poised for success in the long run. With that in mind, we've made several strategic additions to our markets this year, particularly in the Caribbean and Latin America. In the first quarter we began new service to Bogotá, Colombia and San Jose, Costa Rica, and in May we began new service to Montego Bay, Jamaica. We've been particularly pleased with the performance of Montego Bay, which has been our most successful market launch in terms of a single route's path to profitability.

Building on our continued success in the Caribbean, as we previously announced, we plan to commence new service in the fall to three other Caribbean destinations - Kingston, Jamaica, St. Lucia and Barbados. In September and October we expect our Caribbean capacity will be up over 50% year-over-year, largely due to the launch of these new markets, which will add a significant amount of ASMs to our network on a year-over-year basis. By comparison, we expect ASM growth in the rest of our network to be flat during September and October. Given the relative strength of our Caribbean markets, we believe it is prudent to continue to pursue opportunities there.

We also continue to focus on strengthening our core network, of course - New York, Boston, Florida and the West Coast. During the second quarter we began new service at Los Angeles International Airport, LAX, and also continued to grow our Boston operation. We look forward to the launch of our new service between Boston and Baltimore in September and to further solidifying our position as the largest carrier in Boston in terms of destinations served.

For the third quarter we expect our capacity to be up between 1% and 3% year-over-year, and we expect our fourth quarter capacity to be up between 3% and 5% year-over-year. Our disciplined capacity approach has been somewhat masked by the capacity reductions we made between September and December of last year. When compared to the second half of 2007, we expect our system capacity in the second half of this year will be down 2%.

Now turning to revenue, during the second quarter our passenger revenue per available seat mile or PRASM declined 5.7% year-over-year. Yield during the second quarter was down 4% and load factor was down 1.1 points on 2% less capacity. These results were better than our expectations as outlined in the guidance we provided at the end of May due to close-in strength during the last two weeks of June, which drove higher-than-expected yield.

We've continued to outperform our peers in unit revenue performance on a year-over-year basis. This PRASM outperformance has been driven in part by limited exposure to premium business traffic, particularly transatlantic and Pacific traffic, and our strong visiting friends and relatives or VFR traffic in our Caribbean markets, which appears to be less price sensitive. As noted in my earlier comments, we continue to be very pleased with the performance of our Caribbean and international markets.

Sequentially, PRASM improved by 4% in April and declined by 10% in May and 12% in June. We experienced relative yield and load factor strength in April due to the Easter holiday. May is historically a trough period for us and the environment became more challenging with the outbreak of H1N1 at the beginning of the month. While Mexico represented less than 2% of our ASMs and we estimate that the impact of H1N1 reduced second quarter revenue in Mexico by approximately $5 million, H1N1 had a negative affect on demand throughout our network.

The good news is that in June we saw booking trends start to pick back up again as the booking curve became even more compressed during the second quarter. As everyone is aware, the pricing environment has remained relatively weak as domestic airfares have been on sale throughout the summer.

While we have tactically raised fares when we have had the opportunity to do so, including a systemwide fare increase last week, we have continued to see negative pressure on yields during both peak and non-peak travel periods. As a result of the weak pricing environment, our average fare during the second quarter declined approximately 8% year-over-year.

While we face pressure on the pricing front, we continue to be encouraged by the success of our ancillary revenue initiatives. When we combine all of our ancillary revenue reported in the passenger revenue line with those in the other revenue line, our total ancillary revenue increased about 10% year-over-year in the second quarter to about $17.50 per passenger. This compares to about $16 per passenger in the year ago period.

Our goal is to provide customers with options to customize their travel experience according to what they value most, and we continue to look for opportunities to grow our ancillary revenue streams. Our Even More Legroom offering, for example, continues to be very well received by our customers. As a result, we changed the Even More Legroom pricing structure during the second quarter to better match demand, increasing the long haul price from $30 to $40 and the medium haul price from $20 to $25. We also increased several other fees, including raising the second checked bag fee from $20 to $30.

Many of our ancillary revenue initiatives have shown less sensitivity to the weakening economic environment; thus, with relatively stable load factors our ancillary revenue growth has helped offset some of the fare weakness we've experienced.

We believe the JetBlue brand is well positioned in this recessionary environment. We've been very pleased with the performance of our More Brand campaign, which highlights our unique value position, including more legroom, more free entertainment, and more friendly service. We believe our unique value proposition differentiates JetBlue within the industry and we remain committed to building our brand on an unrivaled customer experience.

Forward bookings continue to be characterized by tremendous volatility resulting in limited ability to make reliable projections; however, we've been encouraged by recent booking trends and we are cautiously optimistic about the rest of the year. For July we expect a modest improvement in year-over-year PRASM performance compared to June. Looking at August, load factors are holding up relatively well as we're seeing demand moving closer to departure for the summer peak travel period.

We continue, however, to face yield pressure. In addition, pricing comparisons are much tougher versus the summer of 2008, when we had the benefit of fuel costs driving fare increases. We have limited visibility beyond August and September is historically a seasonal weak month for JetBlue. Moreover, sale activity for the fall has already begun pressuring yields. Our continued focus on ancillary revenues, which we currently expect to increase by about 17% year-over-year in 2009 should help RASM. Thus, we are expecting PRASM to decline 8% to 11% in the third quarter and RASM to decline between 7% and 10% in the same period.

While we certainly face a challenging revenue environment moving forward, we believe we will continue to perform better than our peers on a year-over-year basis. We believe we are well positioned in this environment with a superior product, a strong brand, limited exposures to declines in business traffic and somewhat inelastic VFR traffic, particularly in the Caribbean. As a result, we are maintaining our full year revenue projections, specifically, for the full year we expect PRASM to decline between 4% and 7% and RASM to decline between 2% and 5%.

Our strong balance sheet and focus on liquidity allows us to not only navigate the current environment but also to build for the future. We view the economic downturn as an opportunity to selectively invest in initiatives that promote growth. Despite the economic challenges, we continue to make prudent investments in our business and make advancements on the technology front.

The transition to our new reservation system, Sabre, is on track for implementation in the first quarter of 2010 and progressing quickly. During the second quarter we completed the first in a series of milestones with the implementation of the air price pricing system. This was an important step as we work to overhaul and upgrade the way we do business with Sabre's advanced technology. This investment in our new reservation system, among others, reflects our confidence in our long-term strategy. At the same time, however, we're keenly focused on maintaining our low-cost discipline as we continue to look for ways to further reduce costs.

Before closing I'd like to provide a brief update on our relationship with Lufthansa. We are very pleased that Lufthansa participated in our recent equity offering to maintain their 15.6% ownership interest, and we are working diligently to finalize the details of our commercial relationship.

As we look at the rest of the year, there is great uncertainty and we will continue to face new challenges. The operating environment can change very quickly, whether it's the unprecedented rise in the price of fuel last year or the decline in revenue this year. While we continue to anticipate a tough environment, we believe we are well positioned to succeed. The hard work we have done in recent years to bolster liquidity and slow our growth has better prepared us to face these challenging times.

Despite the very difficult economic environment, we continue to expect to earn a profit in every quarter of 2009. Most importantly, we remain focused on running a safe, reliable operation and delivering exceptional service to our customers.

With that, it's my pleasure to turn it over to our CFO, Ed Barnes, for a more detailed review of our financial performance during the quarter.

Edward Barnes

Thanks, Dave. Good morning and, again, thank you all for joining us.

As Dave said, we're very pleased to earn our second consecutive quarterly profit despite the challenges emanating from the recession. Our second quarter results were certainly impacted by the effects of the current economic conditions as overall demand for air travel continued to be pressured. While our total revenues declined 6% or $52 million year-over-year, JetBlue's operating expenses declined by $107 million, reflecting the impact of significantly lower fuel prices.

We ended the quarter with $880 million in cash and cash equivalents or 27% of our trailing 12 months revenue. We believe this percent is among the strongest liquidity positions of the major U.S. carriers. Included in this cash balance is approximately $300 million in net proceeds from the combined convertible debt offering and equity we issued in June. We continue to believe that liquidity and financial flexibility are paramount in today's uncertain environment.

Not included in our cash balance as of June 30th is $227 million in auction rate securities at fair market value, which are reflected as non-current assets on our balance sheet. Our quarterly results include a $6 million gain related to the valuation of these securities. As we have discussed on prior calls, we have secured an $84 million line of credit from Citigroup and a $56 million loan from UBS which are collateralized by these securities. During the second quarter we repaid $74 million we had previously drawn on the Citi line of credit, so the entire $84 million is currently available and is not included in our cash balance. The proceeds from the UBS loan are included in our quarter end cash balance.

During the second quarter we used a portion of our liquidity to repurchase 3 million of our convertible notes that will most likely be put to us in March 2010. Recall these notes had an original principal balance of $250 million. We also repurchased an additional $16 million of these notes in July. As a result of these two repurchases we have further reduced the outstanding principal amount on the issue to $158 million. In addition to extinguishing debt at a discount, these repurchases will save future interest expense on the retired debt amount.

Turning to the fleet, JetBlue ended the quarter with 151 aircraft. During the second quarter we took delivery of four aircraft which were financed using a debt facility provided by a commercial bank. We do not have any more aircraft deliveries planned for the rest of the year; however, we recently extended the lease of one of our A320s which was originally scheduled for return to the lessor at the end of this year. At the same time, we extended the lease for one of our A320s which had been scheduled for return to the same lessor in March of 2010.

In addition, as Dave mentioned, we have deferred the delivery of three A320s originally scheduled for 2010 to 2011. This deferral will help us better manage our capacity, reduce our cash requirements in the near term, and assist with meeting our stated goal of delivering improved free cash flow.

We currently expect total CapEx to be around $395 million for 2009, which is $105 million lower than our guidance at the beginning of the year. During the second quarter we spent $25 million in non-aircraft CapEx. We anticipate approximately $40 million in non-aircraft CapEx during the third quarter and $45 million for the fourth quarter.

Let's turn now to a more detailed look at the second quarter results.

Lower fuel prices helped to mitigate some of the revenue weakness we experienced during the second quarter. Although fuel prices have risen since earlier this year, they are still significantly lower than last year at this time. Our total fuel expense in the second quarter was approximately $140 million lower than the same period last year. For the second quarter our average fuel price per gallon including the impact of hedges was $1.97, which was $1.20 lower than what we averaged for the same period last year. Our unhedged fuel price for the quarter was $1.61 per gallon.

As discussed previously, we effectively unwound our 2009 swap contracts in the fourth quarter of 2008 due in large part to concerns about the impact of cash collateral requirements on our liquidity. At the end of last year we had $117 million in cash collateral posted with our fuel hedge counterparties relating to these 2009 contracts. Most of these contracts were settled during the first half of this year, resulting in a cash collateral balance of only $14 million as of June 30th.

While fuel hedge losses had a negative impact on our costs during the second quarter, these losses had no cash impact during the quarter as we essentially prepaid a portion of our fuel expense in 2008. Assuming fuel prices remain at current levels, we expect to have minimal cash collateral posted with our counterparties at the end of the third quarter. Thus, the challenges we face with respect to the fuel hedges we entered into last year have largely dissipated.

During the second quarter we began to rebuild our fuel hedge portfolio using primarily out of the money crude call options or caps with protection beginning at about $83 a barrel in the fourth quarter of 2009 and slightly higher prices in 2010. We entered into caps representing approximately 10% of our projected fuel consumption for the fourth quarter of 2009 and full year 2010.

Call options give us the flexibility to continue to take advantage of lower fuel prices while providing protection against a significant increase in fuel prices. All these cap contracts required initial cash premium. The present no additional exposure to cash collateral requirements.

We also entered into additional heating oil collars in July representing 6% of our projected fourth quarter 2009 fuel consumption and 5% of our projected consumption for 2010.

As a result, approximately 15% of our fuel consumption in the second half of this year is hedged with a combination of heating oil collars and crude oil caps. The underlying details of these positions are more specifically described in our investor update, which we file later today.

We expect to pay $2.03 per gallon for jet fuel in the third quarter, including a negative hedge impact of $0.22 per gallon. For the full year we expect to pay $1.97 per gallon, including a negative hedge impact of about $0.30 per gallon. These prices exclude taxes, transportation and [change] fees.

Going forward we will continue to closely monitor the fuel markets and plan to enter into additional contracts with a mix of products as market opportunities arise.

While fuel price drove our unit costs down in the second quarter by 11% year-over-year, our non-fuel unit costs continue to be pressured by our slower growth. Excluding fuel our second quarter unit costs rose by about 10% year-over-year. These results were better than our expectations as outlined in our guidance we provided last quarter, reflecting our companywide efforts to reduce costs. In addition, we recognized approximately $11 million in tax incentives during the second quarter which, due to their nature, were credited to other operating expenses. Our maintenance expense for the quarter was also lower than expected.

The majority of our year-over-year increase in ex fuel CASM can be attributed to our capacity reductions during the second quarter. In addition, our transcom capacity reductions, which declined 25% year-over-year drove a 6% shorter average stage length during the second quarter.

Salaries, wages and benefits increased roughly 16% per ASM on a year-over-year basis, driven primarily by wage increases. In addition, our no furlough policy has continued to pressure our unit costs; however, we continue to fervently believe our commitment to a no-furlough policy differentiates JetBlue from the industry, bolsters our crew member morale and thus contributes to our long-term shareholder value.

Landing fees and other rents increased 10% year-over-year on a unit cost basis due to 5% more departures versus 2008 and higher landing fee rights.

Depreciation expense increased about 25% year-over-year during the second quarter on a unit cost basis. This increase was driven in large part by the new terminal at JFK, which we are considered the owner of for accounting purposes. In addition, a larger percentage of our fleet is owned, which also drove a portion of the increase.

Other operating expenses were relatively flat year-over-year on a unit cost basis, reflecting our continued focus on minimizing discretionary spending. Our other operating expenses in the second quarter of 2008 included $13 million in gains on the sale of aircraft which were offset in the second quarter of 2009 by $11 million in tax incentives.

Moving below the line, interest expense decreased 14% year-over-year or $7 million due primarily to a decrease in interest rates.

Interest income and other decreased by 9% or $1 million due in part to lower interest rates earned on our investments and a lower average investment balance.

We have very manageable debt maturities of approximately $35 million in the third quarter and $160 million for the full year of 2009, significantly lower than our 2008 debt repayments, which were in excess of $700 million.

In the absence of opportunistic debt prepayments we expect to end the year with a cash balance as a percentage of trailing 12 months' revenue in the range of 25% to 30%. While we are comfortable with our current cash position we remain committed to continued vigilance in driving additional balance sheet improvements going forward.

Looking ahead at the third quarter and full year, we will have detailed guidance available to our investors and update filed as an 8-K and posted to our website later today. Let me share a few of the highlights.

We expect our third quarter ASMs to increase between 1% and 3% year-over-year and to remain essentially flat for the full year. While we are encouraged by recent booking trends, we continue to face significant pressure on yields. As a result, we currently expect a year-over-year PRASM decline of between 8% and 11% in the third quarter. With limited visibility beyond August, our full year outlook remains cautious. We currently expect PRASM for the full year to decrease between 4% and 7%.

Our ancillary revenue initiatives continue to help offset some of the fare weaknesses we are experiencing. We expect our year-over-year RASM to decrease between 7% and 10% during the third quarter and to decline between 2% and 5% for the full year.

We expect lower fuel expense to continue to drive significant year-over-year unit cost improvement. For the third quarter we expect CASM to decline between 12% and 14% and for the full year we expect CASM to be down between 8% and 10%.

During the first half of the year our non-fuel unit cost performance has been slightly better than our initial projections. Accordingly, we have revised our full year unit cost guidance downward from previous levels. We now expect full year ex fuel CASM to increase between 8% and 10%.

We anticipate a 9% to 11% year-over-year increase in ex fuel CASM during the third quarter. This increase is due in part to our expected decline in stage length, which we anticipate to be down 5% year-over-year during the third quarter. Adjusted for stage length, we expect our third quarter CASM, excluding fuel, to be up between 7% and 9% year-over-year. In addition, maintenance expense will continue to be pressured in the third quarter as our fleet ages and a higher percentage of our E-190s undergo heavy maintenance checks.

In closing let me thank our crew members for all their hard work. Despite a tough economic environment, our results for the first half of this year have improved significantly versus last year and we continue to expect to earn a profit every quarter this year. This certainly would not be possible without the dedication of our outstanding crew members.

And with that we're happy to take questions.

Question-and-Answer Session


Thank you. (Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Mike Linenberg - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch.

Mike Linenberg - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

The auction rate securities, the $227 million fair value, what is the amount of that at par?

Edward Barnes

Mike, the par value of those are $274 million.

Mike Linenberg - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

And then just my second question and maybe this is just to Dave, you guys entered into the LAX market and I was just curious how that was going? I know it's a crowded market. Any color on that would be great.

David Barger

I think LAX we would really describe as very, very pleased with the launch. In fact, in the full month of June it was one of the strongest load factors that we had across the system and not just as a benefit of the introductory fares which we have had fun with with the Route 105 fare, the $105 fare structure that we had in place.

Very pleased with LAX and the LA Basin strategy that we currently have. And LAX, of course, is New York and Boston today. But a really strong launch, Mike.

Mike Linenberg - Bank of America/Merrill Lynch

Just one last one because you brought up about the strong load factors in the LA market and it had me thinking, when you look at your loads, I mean, you clearly have gone from being a very high-load carrier to even in this quarter you look at your loads versus everybody else - and maybe it's just a function of the fact that you're not in some of these big international markets where you see 95%, 100%-type loads - but when you think about the ancillaries and you ran through a bunch of ancillaries and that number drives up, is there the potential there for a change? Its not a philosophical change, but where you start working to try to get more people on the airplane? Any color on that, where your thinking is?

David Barger

You're right, Mike; the first chapter was one of load factor, it was a trial, and then obviously much more of an overall RASM performance-type of philosophy. And I think it's fair to say that with Robin Hayes and his team and we have Dennis Corrigan now in revenue management, Rick Zeni previously, this whole approach now to not just the load factor but also the yield and much more sophistication, I think, that's taking place with revenue management.

LAX was one of these examples of just real strong loads, kind of like we talked about Montego Bay as well. Of course, it's in the strength of the summer. So I think you'll continue to see a focus of the combination of yield and load factor. And obviously if we're trialing a new market or whatever the competitive landscape may be, there may be a nuance from region to region, but really pleased.

By the way, just to comment on the ancillary revenue structure as well, we're going to continue that focus. We're pleased with the 10% year-over-year improvement in the second quarter. And, by the way, things like change fees, we saw less of them just because you have the closer in booking curve that we've seen. So a pretty interesting effect of what's happening in the economy.


Your next question comes from Jamie Baker - J.P. Morgan.

Jamie Baker - J.P. Morgan

I'm curious, first, if you believe that any distressed industry assets might come up for sale over the next year and, depending on your answer, whether you believe your current liquidity gives you adequate firepower to bid on any assets or if you'd imagine having to tap the market again?

David Barger

I think that as we look at the landscape we remain interested in, first of all, having a strong balance sheet so that we have the flexibility if some of these assets could become available. I'd probably characterize assets as slots or gates in key airports. So it's no secret; we've talked about it in the past, our interest in places like Washington, Reagan National Airport. So we'll see what plays.

I think that we feel good about the balance sheet strength. Ed, your thoughts on the ability if a "what if" happens along those lines?

Edward Barnes

You know, that was one of our reasons for wanting to build up some liquidity last quarter. One was looking towards 2010 and the put of those convertible debt, but the second was to build up that liquidity so as industry assets became available we could play in that space. So I think we're very comfortable with the liquidity that we have today.


Your next question comes from William Greene - Morgan Stanley.

William Greene - Morgan Stanley

I wonder if we could talk a little bit more about the capacity outlook. Given the RASM outlook that you provided I guess I was a little bit surprised or it strikes me maybe as a little bit early to begin growing capacity. And I also wonder if we could talk a little bit about 2010 and maybe should we extrapolate the second half growth rates into 2010 as just a preliminary outlook for capacity.

David Barger

I think 2010, it's a little bit early. I wouldn't suggest taking a look at the back half of 2009 as an indicator of 2010.

We discussed aircraft deferrals and also really a renewal of a couple of leases. It's early; we haven't finalized our 2010 plan.

I think to get a little bit more surgical on the back half of this year, the eight markets that we'll be opening this year, six of them are in the Caribbean and the international basin and we have four more markets that we're opening in the second semester - Baltimore and then the three down in the Caribbean.

And so if you take a look at - we ripped ASMs really hard last year, specifically in the September and the October timeframe, so I think it's a little bit of a - it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, hence the color on the 2007 comparison. And, in fact, when you take a look at just September and October '09 versus '08, we take a look at the amount of capacity that we pulled and in the Caribbean adds that we're laying in there, I mean, ASMs just in those months alone were up 7% to 8% versus 2008. Oh, by the way, the new markets again - and this is also the run rate of the markets that we opened earlier this year; they are being reflected later in the year.

So we feel comfortable in terms of what we're doing with our growth and the number of cities that we're opening. All that over the course of the year relatively flat from an ASM perspective.

William Greene - Morgan Stanley

So are you suggesting the RASM outlook for second half includes some sort of degradation in RASM due to new markets?

David Barger

No. I mean, it's actually, as we take a look at full year guidance and then specifically third year (sic) guidance, you could really infer there's somewhat of a strength in Q4. It's probably too strong of a word to use, but relative strength in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter for a couple of different reasons.

One is, for example, Montego Bay month one, one of the best routes to maturity and profitability that we've ever seen in the company. We think that we're seeing that really across the Caribbean that's why, again, in the second quarter 23% of our ASMs were dedicated to that part of the world.

We don't have reliance on the business customer. We're starting to see trial of the business customer.

The VFR traffic, it's not inelastic, but I'll tell you, it's been really strong in terms of the Caribbean markets specifically.

So as we take a look at all that and we then roll into our forecasting, again, being conservative, we actually see some improvement into the fourth quarter versus the third quarter, but it's not a perfect science right now because bookings are so close in.

William Greene - Morgan Stanley

Can I just for clarification on your July comments about RASM, you said modestly better than June, but I don't think we have the base, so where we are to date here in July a rough sort of estimate of where the RASM looks year-over-year?

David Barger

Yes. I think also in the second quarter, because we had the benefit of Easter and, of course, it's year-to-year, right? I mean, airlines are kind of like suggesting how you look at the Easter holiday, but that positive that we had in April, down 10% in the May timeframe year-over-year, down 12% into the June timeframe. And, again, we're closing out the month but, yes, relative improvement to June.

I can't put a number onto it, Bill, but my sense is that we could see something that looks like a return to single digits, though.


Your next question comes from James Parker - Raymond James.

James Parker - Raymond James

Explain to me you're suggesting, I believe you mentioned that you raised fares and some other airlines have done the same thing, but at the same time you're more pessimistic, I think, regarding the revenue outlook and so I need a little enlightenment. It's like, why bother? If the market won't bear it, why are you raising fares?

David Barger

Jim, we've been involved in some of the fare increases in the second quarter; we led one. Maybe a way to think about it could be the ability to in some of these markets, which have been quite strong, the ability to really start to raise the upper level of the fare structure. And tactically the ability to do that has rewarded us quite well in some of these key markets.

I mean, you start to take a look at just some of the other carrier pulldown relatively speaking year-over-year - again, I allude to the Caribbean international markets - there's quite a bit of capacity that's no longer flying in that part of the world. We don't want to be out there as a gauge model airline, but there's been some real interesting tactical opportunities most likely on the upper end on the fare structure.

James Parker - Raymond James

So you're suggesting you're not raising fares across the board; you're just doing it on the upper end in certain markets? Because the net bottom line is your revenue outlook is more pessimistic.

David Barger

We had one fare structure that was across the board and actually, as we're taking a look at the revenue environment, Jim, again, it's difficult because we just don't have that visibility as all the airlines don't really have into the future.

But as we take a look at PRASM guidance, Q3 versus full year, you can start to run the math in your model. And, you know, I think we're starting to see less impact of H1N1. I think our business model with the relatively resilient VFR traffic. We don't have the reliance on the business customer. We're getting trial.

I think that we're actually seeing as you compare those numbers relatively speaking a little bit more strength. And, again, it's a tough word to use in this economy and as we close the year versus the current quarter that we're in.


Your next question comes from Bob McAdoo - Avondale Partners LLC.

Bob McAdoo - Avondale Partners LLC

As I try to understand the guidance and you talk about costs in this quarter being up 9% to 11% and I go back and I apply that to last year and then I look at sequentially what that means going from second quarter to third quarter, it looks like it takes a CASM ex fuel from like 6.12% up to 6.56%. And I'm wondering sequentially that looks like a 7% or 8% increase sequentially. I'm curious as to what's going on in the third quarter versus the second quarter cost-wise? Where would the cost increases be or did I do a calculation wrong?

Edward Barnes

I don't think its necessarily that significant of an increase quarter-over-quarter.

One of the things that we had in the third quarter of last year was a $7 million tax credit that was accounted for in other operating expenses, so that maybe one of the inputs that makes maybe third quarter look a little bit higher.

Our stage length is going to continue to be substantially less than last year, so I think that's something you have to take into consideration as well. And our departures are up quite a bit year-over-year.

Bob McAdoo - Avondale Partners LLC

But in terms of going from second quarter this year to third quarter this year, you're saying there really shouldn't be that much difference in terms of unit costs? What you're saying is it may be that I didn't take into account that tax credit last year, is that what you're saying?

Edward Barnes

Well, I think you should probably take into account that tax credit from last year, but I don't think there's anything specific that I can mention that's going on between second and third quarter.


Your next question comes from Gary Chase - Barclays Capital.

Gary Chase - Barclays Capital

Since you were just talking about it I wanted to see if I could just follow up on Bob's question for a second there. I don't know his exact numbers, but we share the perception that the cost numbers, at least, you've been performing at a better level than what you're guiding to. And from our perspective, too, I mean, shouldn't the cost comp start to get easier because last year at this time, as you noted in some of your other remarks about capacity, it did start to pull the network down a bit.

So is there any color that either explains why the first and second quarters were lighter on cost or why the third and fourth might be more or is that just conservatism in the guidance?

Edward Barnes

Gary, I think I would probably say that it was conservatism in the guidance. We continue to take a look into the future on an expense basis and consider some of our costs as investments into the future and I don't think that there was any significant difference between the two.

You know, the one thing that's a little bit unpredictable is the timing of some of our maintenance and so, while that may shift from quarter to quarter, on a full year basis I think we're fairly comfortable with our guidance.

David Barger

And Gary, if I may add, as I take a look at the different pieces that are moving within our structure as well, less capacity, specific in the second quarter, again, flat over the course of the year, but we have the stage length decrease, we were up departures 5%.

And we also saw, interestingly enough, this improvement in on-time performance, which is, especially being based in New York, and how that extrapolates into whether it's fuel burn - our relative fuel burn, the aggregated amount on a year-over-year basis in Q2, was relatively flat but our departures were up 5%, which is interesting because those are more inefficient departures or should be because they're short haul.

So there's quite a few pieces that are in play there as well. And even when airplanes arrive earlier, crew cost, etc., as it makes its way through the model - by the way, I'm not suggesting the New York airspace is anywhere near fixed, but interesting to see the on-time performance up 3 points year-over-year in the first semester. I think our team's operational integrity efforts and the new terminal at Kennedy are really, really helping us out a great deal.

Gary Chase - Barclays Capital

Just as an editorial, I'm not observing that New York airspace is totally fixed, either. But we do think while it's probably never going to be totally fixed that's a significant source of future savings or potentially significant and since you mentioned it do you think that's going to be sustainable or do you think there's something unique?

As somebody who lives here I would say there's been plenty of gray and cloudy and rainy days, so it hasn't been the weather.

David Barger

Yes, you're right. I mean, one of the wettest Junes ever for those on the call who live in different geography along the East Coast.

And do I think it's sustainable? I think that we're going to continue to see the right focus out of Washington, the Port Authority. I think the carriers are working collaboratively - maybe a little bit of color there.

I think it's nice to see an administration that's not looking to auction slots, so we're not having to fight those battles. With Secretary LaHood and FAA Administrator Babbitt, you know, calling this focus on New York, my sense is there's good focus that's happening with the FAA.

I think collaboratively speaking, no secret the long runway in New York will be closed for four months next year from March 1st to the end of June and the ability to work collaboratively across the airport community I think is a real positive signal. So I think there's a combination of just small victories, maybe I'll call them, that are very helpful.

I'll tell you what, though, Gary, terminal five is so helpful. I mean, if we are running off schedule the ground delay program or there's delay programs in place down in Florida with thunderstorms or whatever it might be, the ability to, not just the customer experience, to gate the airplane, to arrive the airplane, to not have an airplane in the penalty box, that entire side of the airport as a result of the inventories in T-5 I think is really between terminal four, five, six and previously six, seven, even over to terminal eight, has really been helpful to our operation.

Gary Chase - Barclays Capital

Okay, we'll probably follow up a bit more offline.

Just lastly and I think you answered this, it doesn't feel to us like you're guidance implies revenue erosion and I just wanted to make sure. I realize the comps get worse, but you're also up against a much tougher set of comparisons in the third and fourth quarter. To us it actually looks like the underlying baseline here is improving just a little bit in order for you to get from your third quarter, second to third and then third to fourth quarter. Is that a fair assessment or do you think it's more conservative than that?

David Barger

I think it's a fair assessment, Gary. In fact, again, the fourth quarter comparisons start to get a little bit more easier, if you will, only from a revenue, you know, we started to see the degradation in revenue at the end of last year into 2009. So I think the way you really characterized how we're looking at a slight improvement, if you will, relative to the third quarter is accurate.

And, again, just the strength of - well, we're currently focused on this VFR - not just focused now, I mean, the core of JetBlue has been this VFR traffic and the trial that we're also getting with the business fliers who are looking for, hey, you know, corporations are managing their T&E accounts and it's a good experience out of places like Boston and T-5 and, you know, across our route network. So I think your characterized it well.


Your next question comes from Daniel McKenzie - Next Generation Equity Research.

Daniel McKenzie - Next Generation Equity Research

Dave, in response to an earlier question on industry assets that might become available, I'm wondering where we're at with the potentially forced auction of slots in the New York area that the FAA pushed last year. I believe the industry soothed the FAA over the initiative and I guess related to this is slots become available from another carrier. Is it your read that those are for the FAA to distribute or are they assets that can be bought and sold by the incumbent carrier?

I guess the reason I'm asking you guys specifically is because JetBlue's significant number of slots in the New York area, of course.

David Barger

Dan, I think with the previous administration and the auction of the slots, that lawsuit's been withdrawn.

I think what is germane, though, is the slots - not the high-density rule but the slots being placed back into Kennedy Airport had temporary language tied to it that does sunset and so we're still waiting for what's the next iteration of this language. The last time the high-density rule went into effect it was here for 37 years before it was repealed and then it was only gone for about a year and a half, hence the re-slotting of Kennedy Airport underneath this temporary language.

So that's the one item that's probably out there in terms of it's a little bit of an unknown what's the language tied to a slot, you know, can you purchase them, lease them, etc. What's the timing of a slot? Because, again, that language was temporary.

Daniel McKenzie - Next Generation Equity Research

And then I guess as a follow up I'm wondering if you could talk about where you're at with respect to ancillary revenue initiatives tied to the growth in the Caribbean? I think in the past you've mentioned there could be some package opportunities given some empty hotels down there and I'm wondering if that's still an opportunity or where you might be on that initiative.

David Barger

Yes, thanks, Dan, very much so. Our route network with the hotels, golf courses, casinos, cruise ships is so well positioned to take advantage of places like the Caribbean.

I think it's fair to characterize our Chief Technology Officer, [Joe Ing], and Rick Zeni leading the charge, the change to our CSS system, we're somewhat in a - lockdown's probably too harsh, but somewhat in a transition for any type of project technologically speaking, it's kind of like getting ready to move into the new terminal five. Let's be careful about complicating things until such time as Sabre is well along and now part of our IT infrastructure.

And so now that we take a look at the getaways program that we have today, the ancillary revenue's tied to what it could mean specifically in the Caribbean.

By the way, not to undersell the Las Vegases, the Orlandos, the Californias of the world, the packaging, what happens in terms of the revenue buckets. I think there's a lot of excitement that's happening with Robin and his team so that we can really mine our route network and the Caribbean is absolutely perfect, Dan.

Daniel McKenzie - Next Generation Equity Research

Understood. So it sounds like it potentially is a first quarter 2010 opportunity then, if that's the case?

David Barger

I think we're really looking at first quarter as the CSS conversion. And let's make sure that the quality assurance on the conversion, so probably end of the first semester into the second semester next year. It'd be great to be able to take advantage of the summer peak, for sure.


Your next question comes from Michael Derchin - FTN Equity Capital Markets.

Michael Derchin - FTN Equity Capital Markets

How does Continental's entry into the Star Alliance with antitrust immunity affect your relationship with Lufthansa? And also, any thoughts on Alliance plans or co-chair?

David Barger

You know, Mike, I think the Lufthansa investment in JetBlue, long term strategic investment, I think your question's probably a real good one for Lufthansa in terms of how they look at Star and Continental joining, United, etc.

We have not had discussions regarding any entry into Star or any other alliance and so as we take a look at Lufthansa we're real excited about the commercial agreement - and, again, think about the CSS conversion, the ability to change out to Sabre will help us to optimize that relationship - so, again, as we're making that conversion right now we're excited about how we then exchange customers with Continental.

And I think the last part of your question was would we take a look at other opportunities with airlines and you bet. I mean, I think our assets at New York at terminal five today, you know, that building in what I would argue is the most lucrative air transportation market with the number of connections coming across that gateway, which is perfect from Europe, South America, Asia, boy, you bet we want to continue to be able to be real receptive to that on behalf of our shareholders and, of course, respectful to our largest investors as well.

Michael Derchin - FTN Equity Capital Markets

So in terms of route, though, meshing with Lufthansa, do you think it would be fair to say it would be more likely not being in the New York area but elsewhere, like in Orlando or other parts of your system?

David Barger

For example, as we take a look at Lufthansa and, again, exchanging customers with Lufthansa as part of our commercial agreement, we look at New York, we look at Boston, we look at our focus in Orlando and in Orlando their newest North American gateway - by the way, Aer LIngus, that's their newest North American gateway as well.

No, I think, you know, New York as well as our focus cities, I think that our network is really well positioned to take advantage of exchanging customers.

Michael Derchin - FTN Equity Capital Markets

And just one more. Do you have the latest breakdown of your capacity by major market, especially in light of the big expansion in the Caribbean, how much does that represent these days?

David Barger

To give you a feel for ASMs in the second quarter of 2009, Caribbean was 23% of our deployment of ASMs. Give you a feel for that - in 2007 it was 10% and East-West so for the most part it's transcon with 31%, give you a feel, again, 45% second quarter '07. Rounding that out, Florida 32% and then the shorter haul, medium haul markets 14%.


Your next question comes from Kevin Crissey - UBS.

Kevin Crissey - UBS

With Continental purchasing and rolling out the LiveTV, direct TV service, can you talk about how that affects your ancillary and then how it affects your thoughts on charging for TV? Even if it's somewhat less than what Continental would do, it'd still be nice incremental revenue.

David Barger

Kevin, Continental is the newest customer of LiveTV as we close the second quarter. We had 16 installs on the Continental fleet and what we're hearing back from Continental or what LiveTV is hearing is they're very pleased with the rollout. And as we take a look at the swipe model, you know, again the visibility is really to LiveTV in terms of the metrics that are taking place, and there are other swipe models as part of their portfolio.

We take a look at, yes, that potentially is an opportunity for us if we want to take a look at converting to a swipe model, but we have to be really careful with this. You know, the nickel and diming, the perception of nickel and diming, the fact that it's been embedded into the price of a ticket with LiveTV, XM Radio, the WiFi experience, PDA - which, again, we think is the route forward as opposed to broadband - I think we're going to be real careful.

Do we have the capability to pull that lever? Yes, we do. But maybe that's something that we can become a little bit more sophisticated as we make the conversion into Sabre. And, again, what does somebody pay as they got on board the airplane.

And so I think we're a long way away from converting over to a swipe model at this point for our entire customer base.

Kevin Crissey - UBS

And in terms of the financial impact, it's still most - I think we said last time mostly a 2010 event or maybe late in 2010 to really see the effects because they are rolling it on their network now and they should start to see the revenue starting to come in now, right?

Edward Barnes

Well, Kevin, I think that, you know, the relationship with Continental, as Dave said, we had, I think 12 at the end of the second quarter; we'll have 16 here, I think, currently. You know, it's a revenue sharing model, so certainly that's going to start to come into our other ancillary revenues this year. I think that on a year-over-year basis the impact will be larger in 2010, but we're going to start enjoying that revenue in 2009.


Your next question comes from [Kim Zader] - Imperial Capital.

Kim Zader - Imperial Capital

Just real quickly I just wanted to confirm you repurchased it was 3 million of the 3-3/4 converts in the second quarter and 16 million in July?

Edward Barnes

That's correct.

Kim Zader - Imperial Capital

And then do you intend to continue doing so, I guess, opportunistically, of course, going forward?

Edward Barnes

We will certainly be looking at buying some additional converts as we work towards that March 2010 date.

Kim Zader - Imperial Capital

So impressive ancillary revenue growth this quarter. Now, you've referenced the split of ancillary revenues between passenger and other revenue. Could you remind us of which are booked in each bucket or which ancillary fees are booked in each bucket?

David Barger

I think Lisa will get back to you on that. It's probably a fairly detailed answer.


Your next question comes from Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company.

Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company

I'm just curious on the convert purchase, I mean, were they pretty much purchased at par or was there a small gain in the quarter?

Edward Barnes

Very, very slight gain. I mean, we're repurchasing those fairly close to par, but I think that's a good use of our capital at this point because the return to the put date is actually better than we can otherwise invest those funds.

Stephen O'Hara - Sidoti & Company

And then just lastly, did you say there was a gain in the other operating expense line this quarter and if so how much was it?

Edward Barnes

There was. It was $11 million and it was related to a tax rebate that we received.


This concludes our session with investors and analysts. With that we will turn it over to Dave Barger for closing remarks.

David Barger

Thanks, Anthony. In closing I'd like to thank everybody on the telephone for joining us, also on the webcast.

And also a special callout to our 12,000 crew members - thanks so much for running a great operation, not just in the second quarter but as we take a look at the 2009 J.D. Power Award five years in a row and very, very pleased with the second quarter as we look to building strength over the course of 2009 and beyond.

So, thank you very much for joining today and everybody have a good day.

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