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Here's How The Comcast And Netflix Deal Is Structured, With Data And Numbers

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Dan Rayburn
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There has been a lot of speculation involving the business and technical details surrounding the recent deal between Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCSA) (CMCSK) and Netflix (NASDAQ:NFLX) and plenty of wrong numbers and information being used. I thought it would be helpful to detail what's really taking place behind the scenes, highlight some important publicly available data in the market, talk about the deal size, and debunk quite a few myths that people are spouting as facts. It's time we cut through a lot of the misconceptions of the deal, from both a business and technical level, and focus on what's really happening. This is a long post, but if you really want to know what's happening, I've tried to make it really detailed. )My first post on the deal can be found here: Inside The Netflix/Comcast Deal and What The Media Is Getting Very Wrong)

From a technical level, Netflix has their own servers that are sitting inside third-party colocation facilities in multiple locations. To connect Netflix's servers to ISPs, Netflix buys transit from multiple providers, which then connect their networks to the ISPs. Netflix pays the transit providers for those connections and with that, gets a certain level of capacity from the transit provider. While Cogent is one of the companies Netflix is buying transit from, they are not the only one. Netflix buys transit from multiple companies, including Cogent (CCOI), Level 3 (LVLT), Tata, XO, Telia and NTT, with Cogent and Level 3 being the primary providers. Transit providers like Cogent then connect their networks to ISPs like Comcast in what's called peering. This is where a lot of the confusion starts as many are under the impression that ISPs like Comcast are suppose to allow any transit provider to push an unlimited amount of traffic into their network without any

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Dan Rayburn is considered to be one of the foremost authorities, speakers, and writers on streaming media technology and online video business models. An avid blogger, author and analyst, Dan is often referred to as the "voice of the industry" and has been quoted in more than a thousand news items by nearly every major media outlet over the past twenty years. His blog (streamingmediablog.com) is one of the most widely read sites for broadcasters, content owners, Wall Street money managers and industry executives in the online video sector. His articles have been published by the WSJ, NYT, CNN, Huff Post, Fortune, Business Insider, Gizmodo and he has been interviewed on Bloomberg, FOX, CNN, CBS, CNBC, and NPR amongst others. Due to his expertise in the content delivery market, he has also received invitations to speak as a witness at hearings by both the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives on topics pertaining to net neutrality, telecom mergers and content delivery architectures. He is also the Chairman for the NAB Streaming Summit conferences that take place in Las Vegas and NY. nabstreamingsummit.com

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Comments (28)

S
I really can't believe how you come here Dan, and claim facts and then make a bunch of speculations.

Let me clear up few "facts" for you.
1.) Pretty much every ISP buys their internet connection from backbone providers so they can participate on the internet. Otherwise they are nothing more than a large network and worthless to people that want internet access. See #4 below.
2.) Backbone providers never "PUSH" data onto an ISP network. The only traffic that ever enters an ISP is done so at the request of a subscriber of the ISP whom is paying that ISP to do just that.
3.) Backbone providers peer together to help get data all across the world thus making the internet. ISP are what user's sign up for to gain access to that internet based on #1 above. Though I will admit that some are so large now that they also have the very limited functionality (see #5).
4.) ISPs sell their connections to their subscribes in a very unidirectional way (5mb dwn/784kbps up or 50mb dwn/10mb up for example). Thus they will never send as much data to a peer as they receive so a peer would never have any incentive to have "free peering" with them as they bring no value to them nor the internet. (See #1).
5.) Only the very large ISPs (like Comcast) have a network that is large enough that some may use them as a peer to get to other networks they don't get to in another way across said ISP's foot print.
6.) The Netflix issue, ultimately comes down to "Comcast the ISP" trying to include their paying subscribers data request into their peering thus claiming the peering link is imbalanced and they need to be paid. Well of course it is, your ISP subscribers are requesting a lot more traffic then you are passing because A) You sell them pretty much a unidirectional connection and B) Your TOS does not allow for them to place services (i.e. Servers) on their connection that may cause traffic to be requested from them thus bringing more balance to the connection.
bobelouis profile picture
Netflix is like the 400 pound airline passenger who bought a ticket and insists the airline should allow him raise the armrest and use 2 seats. After today's blog volleys, who believes the Netflix change in delivery is going to be an immaterial cost when all the deals are done.
c
Not to worry any pain experienced by 3rd party carriers will be short lived there is more than enough business, and it's growing exponentially, to go around,.... that's why I adhere to the Mantra.."There is no such thing as too much bandwidth."..what Flix and Comcast don't use ...others will, oh yeah, and at higher prices!
vpg999 profile picture
Sounds like Cogent can kiss $5MM/year goodbye from Comcast. Stock will take a hit on earnings, as that was probably all margin for them.
510432 profile picture
Since Netflix was using third party CDN providers Akamai (AKAM), Level 3 and Limelight (LLNW) for 100% of their video delivery, it seems that these companies will now have a serious dent in their revenues. Any figures on the % of sales due to Netflix?
Gary J is Rich on AMZN profile picture
WERE using (as in a long time ago) try to keep up
510432 profile picture
OK. I grabbed the wrong lines. This will hurt the rev of the two primary providers Cogent and Level 3 to some degree. Maybe the author knows that or even you.
Dan Rayburn profile picture
They already disclosed this to the street years ago. They have known for 2+ years that their Netflix business would be slowly tappered off.
p
This makes sense, but why are there so many conspiracy theories out there?
p
Reporters use conspiracy theories to generate views
People love conspiracy theories
Lather, rinse, repeat
s
No one even bothered to mention pretty important point called CHAIN REACTION.
Since Comcast got the deal, what about verizon? sprint, at&T etc..
Checkout out recent Sprint CEO comment and verizon CEO closing comment of the day.. wake up people. If there is extra money to be made what other ISP you know that won't get greedy here?
My 2 cents
Adam Levine-Weinberg CFA profile picture
Dan,

I think you make a lot of good points here. But I want to push back on two specific things.

First of all, peak Netflix traffic is probably higher than "Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, Amazon" combined. So why wouldn't Netflix be paying as much as those content providers combined, given that pricing is based on a per Mbps rate? I can't imagine that Comcast would give Netflix enough of a volume discount to more than offset the fact that it's delivering more content than all of the others put together. That would suggest that the $30-$60 million figure you threw out is also a good guesstimate of what Netflix is paying.

Second, why is Netflix using Cogent or Level 3 at all if it can get guaranteed better service at a lower cost through a paid peering arrangement with ISPs? It doesn't make sense to me that Netflix wouldn't jump at the opportunity to pay 10% or 20% more to guarantee better service for its customers. And if that's the case, then why would Comcast offer this service at a price less than what Netflix would otherwise be paying to Cogent or other third parties?

Adam
Sakelaris profile picture
Adam--As you wonder about whether Comcast would or should give Netflix a "volume discount," perhaps the moderating factor for Comcast was the fact that they want to be approved for their planned merger with Time Warner Cable.
Adam Levine-Weinberg CFA profile picture
Maybe, but that would require some serious short-term blinders. Spend billions of dollars to buy a cable company, then help your disruptive competitor lower its costs and improve its service quality in order to more quickly cannibalize the cable customers you just bought at a premium? Doesn't make much sense!
Sakelaris profile picture
I was thinking that to get the merger approved that Comcast would have to play nice for a while (hopefully for several years). Perhaps you do not think that Comcast has to play nice at all and are horrified that they did this deal with Netflix--unless it can be established to your satisfaction that Netflix got soaked on the price.
a
Someone should provide a flowchart/diagram of how and what flows. From where,via what and to whom, The best minds take complicated things and simplify them. Maybe someone has that available. I can't find it.
Parker Logan profile picture
Dan,

you stated that the commercial interconnect business is a very small portion of their business (.1%)... with Netflix and more & more content providers streaming video... it looks to be source of revenue growth for a Comcast and ISPs. This could be a $1 billion business for Comcast in 5 years.

What do you think?
Dan Rayburn profile picture
What? If it was $30M-$60M in revenue for Comcast last year, why would you think this is $1B in five years? Makes no sense. There aren't dozens of companies like Netflix, Microsoft and Google in the market whom Comcast can do deals with.
Parker Logan profile picture
I'm thinking commercial interconnect revenue will include revenue from net neutrality law changes... big bandwidth users like Netflix, Facebook, Youtube, and Apple will pay a toll for their usage. Or do you see it in another category?
lc492 profile picture
lc492
05 Mar. 2014
That makes no sense, 1 billion. You're blowing it out of proportion. It's just Comcast.
J
So will Netflix be able to shed Cogent as an intermediary as a result of this deal?
Gary J is Rich on AMZN profile picture
"In a little known, but public fact, anyone who is on Comcast and using Apple TV to stream Netflix wasn't having quality problems."

Here is an epic thread detailing how wrong that is -

http://bit.ly/KhhTGo
510432 profile picture
Why isn't this an Apple problem? They did the Apple firmware update.
Gary J is Rich on AMZN profile picture
If you read the thread you would not believe the collection of network-types brainpower trying to get to the bottom of it.
s
Hard to read article. The title promises some revelation but article is filled with speculation. Netflix is overvalued stock and this deal isn't doing them any wonders.
j
Dan, in your view, is there any risk of disintermediation of networks like lvlt as a result of this deal. Said another way, could this be foreshadowing of deals struck by other content providers direct with cable companies or residential last mile providers.
thanks for your insight.
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