Photronics' (PLAB) CEO Peter Kirlin on Q2 2016 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

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Photronics, Inc. (NASDAQ:PLAB)

Q2 2016 Earnings Conference Call

May 18, 2016 08:30 AM ET


Troy Dewar - Director, Investor Relations

Peter Kirlin - Chief Executive Officer

Sean Smith - Chief Financial Officer

Christopher Progler - Chief Technology Officer and Strategic Planning


Steven Chin - UBS

Tom Diffely - D.A. Davidson

Edwin Mok - Needham & Company

Patrick Ho - Stifel


Ladies and gentlemen thank you for standing by. Welcome to Photronics’ Second Quarter Earnings Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded Wednesday, May 18, 2016.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Troy Dewar.

Troy Dewar

Thank you, Candice. Good morning everyone. Welcome to our review of Photronics’ 2016 second quarter financial results.

Joining me this morning are Dr. Peter Kirlin, Chief Executive Officer; Sean T. Smith, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Dr. Christopher Progler, Vice President, Chief Technology Officer and Strategic Planning.

The press release we issued this morning along with the presentation material which accompanies our remarks, are available on the Investor Relations section of our web page. Comments made by any participants on today’s call may include forward-looking statements that include such words as anticipate, believe, estimate, expect, forecast, may, should or the negative there to within the meaning of the U.S. Federal Securities Laws.

Forward looking statements are based upon a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that are difficult to predict. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. For a complete disclosure regarding these forward-looking statements can be found at the bottom of our press release. Photronics assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking information.

Finally, during the course of our discussion we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial metrics. These numbers are useful for analysts, investors and management to evaluate our ongoing performance. A reconciliation of these metrics to GAAP financial results is provided in our presentation materials.

At this time I will turn the call over to Peter.

Peter Kirlin

Thank you, Troy, and good morning everyone. As expected, second quarter sales fell slightly from last quarter and last year, generally following the trends we discussed during our Q1 conference call.

High-end FPD was strong as panel manufacturers continued to roll out new and innovative products such as Amoled mobile displays. High-End logic was soft due to lackluster demand from our large foundry customers in Asia. And Mainstream followed expected seasonal trends with recovering U.S. and Europe and lower demand in Asia due to Chinese New Year.

The only deviation from our previous commentary was lower memory demand as our customers reacted to negative end-market conditions and we saw a pause in the 3D NAND ramp, weakness in 3X Nanometer foundry memory as customers transitioned to 2X Nanometer technologies along with commodity DRAM entering the final [indiscernible] phase of the 20 Nanometer node ramp.

Earnings were down due to the impact of lower sales. Despite lower sales and profits, cash flow from operation is positive, minimizing the reduction in our cash position due to payment to bondholders in April. In total, we reduced debt by $60 million and increased net cash by $23 million during the second quarter.

Sean will go through the details in a few moments but I want to remind everyone of the significant strides we have made as our organization improved our balance sheet. Just a few years ago we had a net debt position and high leverage ratios. After several years of hard work and focus on improving our balance sheet we are in a much healthier position today.

And the most common question we get from investors now is what are you going to do with all that cash? This is a good problem to have. It took a total team effort to achieve and I’m proud of the position we’ve built together.

As you will hear throughout our comments this morning, we are very clear on achievable plans to invest the cash in areas that should deliver profitable growth.

Looking out to next quarter, customer discussions, order patterns and industry commentary continues to support the view that conditions are improving for High-End Logic. For example, one of our leading foundry customers is expecting strong 20 Nanometer tape-outs in the second half of calendar 2016. If this occurs the impact should be positive for Photronics.

We continue to remain extremely optimistic regarding FPD photomask demand where our capacity remains sold out and we see no signs of that changing anytime soon.

We recently saw the expiration of our MP Mask JV with Micron. Well, this legal entity will now shift back to Micron control, and we received payment for ownership, our relationship with Micron remains strong. We have a technology agreement which will carry us to the next two nodes and a supply agreement which ensures we will capture a majority of the masks they outsource.

That being said, it’s obvious that this move now positions Micron to source more masks internally. Our challenge is to gain new business to offset any decrease in Micron demand. To this end, it is fortunate that several memory manufacturers rely on Micron bit cell, as the largest merchant mask producer in the world we have relationships with these companies. Therefore we are well positioned to sell them masks as they develop and manufacture their chips. In many cases our technology is already process of record. We have already qualified and/or are qualifying this customer base. This is also the beginning of - there is also the beginning of memory production in China, and we’re well positioned to sell mask to the first movers.

Finally, the memory technology landscape is fluid with entirely new products being brought to market such as 3D XPoint jointly developed by Intel and Micron. And we are actively engaged in these efforts. So with this total opportunity mix, I will be disappointed if the memory business is not larger 12 months from now than it is today.

It will not be easy and it will not be a linear progression; few things in our business are. But I believe there is a clear line to realize good growth in memory for Photronics.

Longer term, there are several growth factors that we are focused on. The first is FPD. Based upon the number of questions we received from investors, Amoled in particular is an intense area of interest. As we have noted over the last few quarters, our current asset base in FPD is running at full capacity. Any revenue growth is limited except for ability to increase product mix and therefore blended average ASP.

In order to answer FPD mask business, we’re announcing today investments to increase capacity and capability and have placed orders for additional running capacity at the high-end.

We anticipate taking delivery of these tools in mid-2017 in order to be prepared for anticipated industry growth going into the second half of next year. We are clear market and technology leader in FPD photomask and this investment will help us to maintain or possibly expand our leadership position.

Beyond 2017, the next significant driver for us will be geographic expansion to China both in sort of the IC and FPD markets. Our senior leadership team has spent significant time in the country along with local leadership to evaluate the options and opportunities. We’re not quite ready to announce a final decision but I do like the direction our planning processes going, and anticipate being able to share more with you soon. As we’ve stated before, this country can be a significant growth driver.

Semiconductor market is a target for investment by government, domestic manufacturers and foreign entities. Some of our largest IC customers are in the process of building capacity there and other customers are adding capacity that could provide us with the opportunity to serve them in a bigger way than we do today.

In addition, dramatic FPD market growth appears to be coming as the construction of several new manufacturing facilities, primarily for large-screen LCD and OLED is well underway. Our total investment in China will likely be a mix of new tool purchases and the transfer of tools from other facilities in addition to bricks and mortar.

Many of the target customers in China already are served by our facilities in Taiwan, Korea and the U.S. So being able to utilize some existing tools will minimize cost and lead time. As we’ve stated before, sales to China is small but growing, becoming more material to our results. We are excited by the opportunity this country presents for Photronics.

In summary, our business is going in the right direction and we have several attractive options in front of us to grow our top and bottom line. That being said, on a quarter-to-quarter basis, our results can be variable given the nature of our business, particularly as we grow High-End IC and FPD market share, where timing is more unpredictable and higher ASPs make any order meaningful to our business.

But as I stated many times, I’m very pleased with our position and believe we have the ability to make targeted investments to drive growth and deliver shareholder value.

Before turning the call over to Sean, I would like to thank all the Photronics’ employees for their commitment and dedication to improving our company in Q2.

I would now ask Sean to provide more details on our second quarter performance.

Sean Smith

Thanks, Peter and good morning everyone. Second quarter sales fell 5% sequentially to $122.9 million and 3% year-over-year as strong FPD growth was offset by softness in IC demand.

Sales of FPD photomask improved 36% compared with last year and 6% sequentially. High-End FPD sales increased sequentially to 78% of total sales. Demand remains strong for advanced LCD and OLED displays and we have been able to prioritize high-end orders bringing positive mix.

Additionally, in some areas we’ve been successful in realizing higher pricing. Backlog remains above average and we continue to run at full capacity. Our next phase of capacity installation should come online in May 2017 which should allow additional growth. Until then, we expect sales to remain flat, limited by our installed capacity with potential benefits from both mix and pricing.

IC sales were down $8.9 million sequentially, the majority of which with High-End, which was down $8 million primarily related to the reduced High-End memory demand that Peter alluded to. High-End Logic was also down slightly due to lower foundry sales in Asia.

As Peter alluded to, Mainstream sales rebounded in the U.S. and Europe but were down sequentially primarily due to the Chinese New Year. On a year-over-year basis, Mainstream was down due to lower foundry demand principally in Asia.

Breaking out sales geographically, 67% of total sales were from Asia, 26% from North America and 7% from Europe. Gross margin for the second quarter was 25.5% down 180 basis points sequentially as a result of reduced volume, principally High-End memory in Asian Mainstream.

SG&A expenses were down $1.2 million sequentially due principally to cost reduction programs and to a lesser extent the deferment of certain costs.

The operating margin for Q2 was 12.1% as compared to 13.5% sequentially. And EBITDA was $34 million for the quarter and $176 million for the trailing 12 months. Other expense net was $3 million primarily related to unfavorable foreign currency principally from Taiwan.

Income tax expense includes a non-recurring net bottom-line benefit of $3 million related to the recognition of certain tax benefits in Taiwan. Since part of the benefit was recognized by our PDMZ JV, the accounting of the benefit is a little complex.

The bottom line impact was $3 million but the impact on our tax expense line is approximately a benefit of $4.2 million. Of this, $1.2 million is our partner share thus reducing the minority interest line. So, excluding the total tax benefit, tax expense for Q2 would have been $1.9 million just below the low-end of our guided range of $2 million.

GAAP net income was $11.9 million or $0.16 per diluted share and excluding the bottom line tax item previously mentioned non-GAAP net income was $8.9 million or $0.13 per diluted share.

Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the second quarter with cash balance of $194 million, bringing our net cash position to $124 million, an improvement of $85 million since Q2 of last year.

On a pro forma basis, including the payment from Micron, we received after the quarter close our net cash position is in excess of $200 million. We did have a few changes in our balance sheet during the quarter, so I’ll walk everyone through of those changes.

First; $57.5 million of our convertible debt matured on April 1. At the time of the maturity, our stock was trading slightly above the conversion price of $10.37. As a result, only about $7.4 million of the debt converted to equity, raising our total shares outstanding by approximately $700,000. The remaining $50.1 million of debt did not convert and repaid the principle amount back to those holders from our cash balance.

As a result of the convertible debt maturing, our diluted share count sold out approximately 4.8 million shares although the total was not reflected on our Q2 share count because the change occurred on April 1. And EPS is calculated based upon weighted average shares.

Total share count adjustment will be reflected in our Q3 results as included in our Q3 guidance, which I will discuss in a few minutes.

During Peter’s comments, he referred to the tremendous turnaround of our balance sheet over the last several years. To put his comments into perspective, at the end of 2008, the height of the recession, we had total debt of $224 million and net debt of $140 million. And our debt to EBITDA ratio was over 2 times.

Since then, we have reduced our debt to $70 million, and have $217 million in net cash on a pro forma basis and a debt to EBITDA ratio of 0.4 times. This was achieved even as we invested in leading edge capability and capacity and over the last several years, our CapEx has averaged nearly 20% of our sales, demonstrating that we have remained committed to becoming both the market and technology leader within the photomask industry.

CapEx for the quarter was $13 million. We anticipate spending of approximately $60 million to $70 million in cash CapEx this year. CapEx for the FPD investments mentioned earlier will occur through 2017.

Before providing third quarter guidance, I just want to remind everyone that our visibility is always limited and our backlog is typically only one to two weeks. Also, the demand for some of our products such as High-End IC foundry Logic is inherently lumpy and difficult to predict.

Finally, as our High-End business has grown, ASP for these assets are higher and a relatively few number of High-End orders can have a significant impact on our sales for the quarter. Given those caveats, we expect third quarter sales to be between $118 million and $128 million. This range assumes FPD remains strong and IC Mainstream sees incremental improvement from Asian seasonality and market growth.

In High-End IC is mixed with anticipated Logic growth but lower demand in memory as Micron may reduce outsourcing following the JV expiration.

Based upon this revenue expectation and our current operating model, we anticipate - estimate earnings for the third quarter to be in the range of $0.10 to $0.18 per diluted share. The first half of the year, which is typically our softest, given seasonality of our major markets, has been a bit more tepid than we anticipated about six months ago. However, we have done a tremendous job of controlling and have continued to generate cash despite the lower demand environment.

We still remain optimistic regarding the long-term demand trends and believe we have several attractive areas for investment to achieve profitable growth in the future.

We are certainly well positioned to support these growth initiatives again with our strong balance sheet and look forward to continuing to build upon our leadership position. Thank you for your interest.

And we’ll now turn the call over to the operator for your questions.

Question-and-Answer Session


[Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from the line of Steven Chin of UBS. Your line is now open.

Steven Chin

Thanks. Hi Peter and Sean. Just a couple of questions on the CapEx investment in flat panel of $40 million. Just curious what you estimate the company’s revenue capacity can be once this additional CapEx is integrated into the company, it currently looks like your annual peak sales for High-End photomask are about $100 million a year. So, what do you estimate the new peak revenue could be for this business segment after this CapEx flows through?

Sean Smith

Sure. What we try to target to monetize that investment within one year of being installed and qualified, so we’re presently at about $120 million to $125 million run rate. So we would expect it to go up incrementally once those tools are up and running, assuming market conditions remain strong.

Steven Chin

Okay. A follow-up to that, so does Photronics have customer purchase orders for these High-End flat panel masks for delivery in later 2017 or is this more of an opportunistic CapEx investment with the company relying on the sales force to win more mask sales once the new capacity is available. I’m just trying to think about how to model sales in the second half of 2017?

Peter Kirlin

So, if we go back to the last incremental addition of capacity to FPD, we ramped that investment last year from a dead stop to fully loaded in the space of three months which is, I’ve been doing this for 30 years, and it’s the fastest I’ve ever seen.

What’s driving this investment for us primarily is one particular opportunity that we have an agreement with a customer to monetize the value of that investment. Beyond that the overall market itself for us is quite strong. So we’re very confident that when that capacity comes online it will ramp quickly.

Steven Chin

Okay. Thanks for sharing, Peter.


Thank you. And our next question comes from Tom Diffely of D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.

Tom Diffely

Yes, good morning. So, maybe a quick follow-up. Is the flat-panel tool that you’re going to install next year similar to what you already have and so obviously qualification comes up much quicker or is it going to be a newer, more advanced tool that has more capabilities but perhaps is longer to get qualified?

Peter Kirlin

Tom, actually no, we are the only merchant to have the next generation FPD capability. And the incremental add will be more of what we have. So, there will be no qualification delays.

Tom Diffely

Okay, great. And if you look at the rest of the capital spending for this year, the $60 million to $70 million, what is that being spent on, if the logic side of the business is fairly soft this year, it seems like you could have pushed off some of that spending?

Peter Kirlin

If you look at our capital spending for the year, the terms we generally get for FPD equipment given the supply chain there are unfortunately the worst in the business. So, the adjustment in the CapEx spend that you heard Sean make is reflected of the fact that, main investments in FPD and the cash flow aspects of the investments are inferior to IC.

And you’re right. There is not a lot of money being spent this year on the incremental IC capacity. I think we’ve out-invested our competitors in a soft demand environment. There is not any compelling reason to add there.

Sean Smith

And just to add Tom, to Peter’s comments, some of the CapEx spend, the cash spend this year is $60 million to $70 million is related to installed capacity that went in latter part of 2015 and 2016. We’re able to get extended payment terms in certain cases.

Tom Diffely

Okay, good. And then, Sean, you also mentioned that some of the reduction in the costs quarter-over-quarter were for some deferred expenses. Do you expect those to come back then in the next quarter or two?

Sean Smith

I think, excuse me, we ended the quarter at about $11 million to $11.1 million in SG&A, I do think we’ll probably get back to a normalized run rate of maybe $500,000 plus or minus. But primarily the reductions related to cost controls in place.

Tom Diffely

Okay. And then, Peter, when you just look out at the landscape right now on the memory side, how do you view kind of the DRAM business and the 3D NAND business? It sounded like DRAM was very strong last year, it started to wane a bit, 3D NAND started to pick up, but it sounds like 3D NAND most recently is a little softer. Is what you’re seeing more a function of the JV ending or is it just some cross-currents in the end markets themselves?

Peter Kirlin

Yes, it really - the softness in the memory business in our Q2 really had little to nothing to do with the JV ending. If you look at the overall memory market, right been poor for too long, I guess is the way I would describe it.

So, what I think observed last quarter was an overall slowdown in the entirety of memory market that’s the result of the business being sick for an extended period. So, 3D NAND paused, the [Indiscernible] memory business which was largely 3X technology stopped, just stopped dead because our customers can’t make money bringing 3X Nanometer foundry DRAM to market.

So, good news is the qualifications for 25 and 20, slam dunk, no issues, best yield they’ve ever seen. But there is a lag between when they implement the next node and when their customers start taping out to them. So, the whole memory business is sick, just sick.

And so, I think there was lots of optimism when you talk to the customers that that will improve in the second half of the year. But we power through the memory market softness for several quarters. But it’s just been too bad for too long.

Tom Diffely

Okay. And then finally you talked about potentially some nice growth at 28 Nanometers in the second half of the year. What are you seeing on the 14 Nanometer side? Is there a chance with some customers moving their customer base around a bit that you see 14 Nanometer ramp as well for the High-End IC?

Christopher Progler

Hi Tom, this is Chris, I can answer that one. Yes, 14 is still pretty slow adoption in the foundry, there are not that many high-end devices running yet. But the foundries are coming out new low-power, lower-cost versions of their 14, they’re starting to integrate RF. I mean, I think there is a lot of effort in the biggest foundries to make it more accessible for a broader range of chip designers and chip applications.

So 14, has not really taken hold I would say in the deepest sense for a foundry product. But there is a lot of effort going on in this space to make that a more viable node for more users. We are qualified with multiple customers of 14, we do have capacity. So we are looking for 14 to pick up in 2016.

Tom Diffely

Okay. Thanks, Chris.


Thank you. And our next question comes from Edwin Mok of Needham & Company. Your line is now open.

Edwin Mok

Hi, thanks for taking my question. First, just going back for the FPD, I guess two-part question. One is; is it possible that you guys do some outsourcing of production for low-end masks to drive some additional revenue on that? And then in terms of the CapEx, while you need to spend this $14 million, should we expect your cash CapEx to really go up that much, so, given the this year to $60 million to $70 million has some cash from last year as well? How do we think about that?

Peter Kirlin

Yes, unfortunately our competitors are not interested in generally speaking in assisting us in gaining market share. So sadly there is not any option really to outsource the FPD. Regarding our cash CapEx next year, we don’t expect - we haven’t given guidance yet. But we don’t expect a significant change in our CapEx spend, absent China. But there is nothing a question yet but we see in China right now with a dozen new factories in FPD actively going up. It’s amazing.

So, we do what we always do and that is we hope, we put our finger in the trigger and we hold and we hold and we hold. And when we believe we can make an investment and monetize it quickly, we pull the trigger.

So, we are very optimistic that there will be a significant step-up in demand in 2018 beyond Amoled in 2017. And just as we had done leading up to the last ramp in our business that we just observe, we’re trying to stage our investments so that as the market emerges, we can monetize it.

Now, if there is a Greenfield in China or when there is a Greenfield in China I think it’s a better way to describe it that will cause the deviation from our recent CapEx tax trajectory.

Sean Smith

And Edwin, if I could just add-on - quick thing on Peter’s comments, when we talk about $40 million we spent for 2017 on this FPD equipment, some of that is baked into the guys for 2016 as well.

Peter Kirlin

Yes, I had mentioned that earlier, get in the terms yes.

Edwin Mok

Right. Okay, that’s helpful. On moving on to the memory softness that you guys are talking about, our understanding is that your leading memory customer and their partners is - have some plans to invest and build 3D NAND capacity in the coming quarters. Do you see that slowing that by - and you mentioned that 3D NAND has been pretty slow, so do you see that slowing that might drag out and have impact on beyond, obviously some say it’s impacting on July quarter, but do you see that dragging out and impacting in October or even January quarter?

Peter Kirlin

It’s a bit tough to call, right. As far as 3D NAND goes, for that to really ramp strongly for us, some of it, I think the CapEx that you guys are all talking about needs to be spent and installed. So, we’re actually, we’re watching that closely but we can’t make any commentary on that because we’ve been simply too transparent, what the origin of it is.

Edwin Mok

Okay. That’s fair. On the, you mentioned on the call that High-End IC expects some nice growth going on with 20 Nanometer coming in the coming quarter. Is that - what kind of product is driving that growth, right? Is it just low-end handset, is it some of these IoT that people talk about? Just curious what do you think is driving this growth in the 28 Nanometer? And is that called your - my understanding at least one of your customer has built up a nice capacity in China. Does that kind of allow you to at least start to get some greater footprint in China?

Peter Kirlin

Yes, you’re certainly right about with your latter comment. I mean, it’s not new demand. What it is; is it’s shipped to market share to one of our customers away from the 100-pound gorilla. So, for us, it’s new business.

Edwin Mok

I see. Okay, that’s extremely helpful. Lastly, Sean, just look at the guidance, if I look at the midpoint it’s basically you’re flat on the top line in guidance. If I look at midpoint, it is actually up by $0.01, but you just said that SG&A will be up this quarter. So I’m wondering what drives - and actually this quarter your kind of non-GAAP cap is actually on the low end of your guidance range, right. So I’m just trying to do the math and wondering why EPS would be up if that’s the case?

Sean Smith

Yes, we’ve been averaging the last three quarters prior to this one about $12 million plus or minus a couple hundred thousand on SG&A. And it’s down because some improvement in cost containment programs in place. But what I mentioned could be up $500,000 or so, so it’s not a significant amount and we wouldn’t really drive EPS one way or another.

We also had unfavorable FX during the quarter and for the year it was only $600,000. So, and the share count has also changed as well. If you look at the slides, I think we had $74 million because of conversion of some of those shares.

Also if you look at our performance year-to-date, our operating income, revenues are essentially flat. Our operating income is sitting at $32.5 million versus $26.5 million, the first six months of last year.

So, we are doing what we always do, right and that is every quarter, every day, we’re at the salt mine taking cost down of our business. So, on flat revenues, our operating income is going up by $6 million. And if you look at the current quarter, it’s essentially flat operating income against revenues that were down $4 million.

So, we’re not going to stop our cost reduction efforts in any shape, form or fashion, until we’re able to continue.

Edwin Mok

All right, great. That’s all I have. Thank you, guys.

Peter Kirlin



Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. And our next question comes from Patrick Ho of Stifel. Your line is now open.

Patrick Ho

Thank you very much. Guys, first on the High-End Logic and the 28 Nanometer foundry situation, do you believe that the second half pickup that you’re kind of looking at right now is more related to them getting their capacity up online or improvements on the yields front?

Christopher Progler

Yes, hi Patrick, it’s Chris. I think 28 Nanometer’s Logic node is a very strong node it brings a lot of value to the designers. So first and foremost, that node is going to be around a long time, it’s going to have wide adoption.

I think specifically your question on what we see on the pickup, partially yield improvements and then customer cost going down, but I think still you’re seeing more and more be an attractive entry point for different kinds of applications, processors and designs, people are willing to take that risk move into particularly with 14 still being a pretty big jump from a cost perspective.

So, I think improving yields, lower wafer cost more capacity in the so called Tier 2 foundries will help a lot. And second, I think just the realization that 28 is, the node is going to be around a long time and the chip designers really have to move to it if they want to get value to their next generation devices.

Peter Kirlin

Yes, and there is also no doubt as you mentioned Patrick that one of our large customers where we have dominant market share is bringing a significant slug of 28 Nanometer capacity online they’ve said that publicly. So, we expect the benefit from - we expect to directly benefit from that.

Patrick Ho

Okay, great; that’s helpful. And then maybe moving to the memory IC, or the High-End IC front there, you talked about some of the pause in the 3D NAND business right now. Do you believe that’s more also because right now they’re adding the capacity, so you haven’t seen, “the tape-outs yet” but that’s something that you could probably see toward the latter half of this year into 2017 as that capacity gets up online from the industry?

Peter Kirlin

Yes, I think as you know right, the photomasks basically go, the silicon wafer starts are really poor proxy to our business right, incremental CapEx spend is a poor proxy. The best proxy is the overall size of the semiconductor industry. So our business tends to go at the highest level as the R&D budgets of our customers go for new products.

And it’s basically if photomasks are 1% of semi, so as that new 3D NAND capacity comes online we would expect the photomask demand to follow the revenue potential, that capacity generate. So if it’s $3 million worth of revenue then it’s at least $3 million worth of photomask business. So, that’s kind of how it goes.

Christopher Progler

And Patrick, the cross-over for 3D NAND is still not great. I think a lot of chipmakers they’re still kind of marvel at how much capacity they need and how much wafer space. So the cost picture is still not great which means 3D is still right now suitable for a fairly narrow slice of NAND applications.

But as that capacity comes online and equipment starts to get depreciated, I think you’ll see it used with more flash memory uses and then there are more tape-outs and designs connected to it.

Patrick Ho


Peter Kirlin

Chris makes I think an important point and that is it’s really not until you get to the second generation of 3D NAND flash that you, the industry generally gets to do the cross-over.

Patrick Ho

Great. And final question from me, as you look at China long-term, and some of the possible investments that you’ll need to make, I guess what’s going to be the kind of inflection both in terms of, I guess, the customer demand that’s out there in China versus, I guess, a lot of investments that are going to be needed in the country for yourself? Or are you able to leverage for the time being, say, Taiwan and even Korea to satisfy the growing Chinese demand?

Peter Kirlin

Yes, I think that’s what we’ve been doing quietly. You may recall that about more than a year ago we opened the sales and application, office in China. I think in our Q4 conference call year-end I mentioned that for the first time China revenues were material to Photronics. So, we have been very quietly and deliberately developing the market there.

And now, with one of our largest customers bringing a mega-fab online in the second half of this year, we have another large customer that is building a factory in China. We have NAND flash business we talked about earlier coming to fruition in China. In addition to that we have the business I just described that we quietly build growing in China. There is, more than a dozen FPD factories being constructed in China. The decision is right in front of us.

Patrick Ho

Great. Thank you very much.


Thank you. And I’m showing no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Kirlin for closing remarks.

Peter Kirlin

Thank you once again for taking time to joining our discussion this morning. As expected 2016 is presenting lots of challenges as well as opportunities. We like our position as we navigate through the next few quarters. And look forward to updating you along the way.


Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the conference for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a great day everyone.

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