Waste Connections (WCN) CEO Ronald Mittelstaedt on Q4 2017 Results - Earnings Call Transcript

Waste Connections, Inc. (NYSE:WCN) Q4 2017 Earnings Conference Call February 15, 2018 8:30 AM ET

Executives

Ronald Mittelstaedt – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer

Worthing Jackman – Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

Hamzah Mazari – Macquarie

Derek Spronck – RBC Capital Market

Tyler Brown – Raymond James

Michael Hoffman – Stifel

Brian Maguire – Goldman Sachs

Noah Kaye – Oppenheimer

Corey Greendale – First Analysis

Chris Murray – AltaCorp Capital

Devin Dodge – BMO

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Waste Connections Fourth Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. During the presentation all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today’s conference is being recorded, Thursday, February 15, 2018.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Ronald Mittelstaedt, Chairman of the Board and CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Okay. Thank you, operator and good morning. I’d like to welcome everyone to this conference call to discuss our fourth quarter 2017 results and provide a financial outlook for both the first quarter and full year 2018. I am joined this morning by Steve Bouck, our President; Worthing Jackman, our CFO, and several other members of our senior management team.

As noted in our earnings release, Q4 capped off another exceptional year for Waste Connections, with better than expected solid waste volume growth and E&P waste activity once again driving financial results in the quarter above expectations. Adjusted free cash flow for the full year of approximately $764 million or 16.5% of revenue and 52.3% of adjusted EBITDA continues to reflect the benefits of our differentiated strategy and purposeful focus on both quality of revenue and free cash flow generation. We are extremely pleased that adjusted free cash flow per share increased more than 20% in 2017, while the number of safety-related incidents in the year declined more than 20% as well.

With our outlook for reported year-over-year EBITDA margin expansion of more than 50 basis points, after an expected nearly 50 basis point drive from recycled commodity value reductions and anticipated double-digit free cash flow growth in free cash flow, 2018 has already set up to being another exceptional year. Recently completed acquisitions with total annualized revenue of approximately $70 million, plus an additional $40 million revenue acquisition signed late yesterday, also provided a strong start to what should be another year of above average acquisition activity.

Before we get into much more detail, let me turn the call over to Worthing for our forward-looking disclaimer and our other housekeeping items.

Worthing Jackman

Thank you, Ron and good morning. The discussion during today’s call includes forward-looking statements made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable Canadian securities laws. Actual results could differ materially from those made in such forward-looking statements and information due to various risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed both in the cautionary statement beginning on Page 3 of our February 14 earnings release and in greater detail in Waste Connections filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the securities commissions or similar regulatory authorities in Canada.

You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements and information, as there may be additional risks of which we are not presently aware, or that we currently believe are immaterial, which could have an adverse impact on our business. We make no commitment to revise or update any forward-looking statements and information in order to reflect events or circumstances that may change after today’s date.

On the call, we will discuss non-GAAP measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income attributable to Waste Connections on both a dollar basis and per diluted share and adjusted free cash flow. Please refer to our earnings releases for a reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measure. Management uses certain non-GAAP measures to evaluate and monitor the ongoing financial performance of our operations, other companies may calculate these non-GAAP measures differently.

I’ll now turn the call back over to Ron.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Okay. Thanks Worthing. In the fourth quarter, solid waste price plus volume growth was 4.3%, exceeding our 3% to 3.5% outlook for the period. Total price of 3.6%, on its own, beat the upper end of our organic growth outlook for the quarter, with volume up 0.7% providing further upside. Looking at 2018, we expect pricing growth to remain around 3.5% or up about 30 basis points year-over-year due to higher CPIs and continuing strength in the underlying economy.

Volume growth should start the year negative on a reported basis then turn positive into the second half of the year. As a reminder, the shedding of low quality and unsafe-to-service revenue across the form of Progressive Waste footprint is expected to continue to be a drag to reported volume growth in the near term, particularly in our Canadian region. This reflects a purposeful price volume trade-off to improve the quality of revenue and as a result, margins and free cash flow in these acquired markets. We believe our financial results in 2017 demonstrate the success of this strategic decision.

On a same-store basis in Q4, commercial collection revenue increased about 4%, and roll-off revenue increased about 7.5% from the prior year period. Roll-off pulls per day increased a little over 2%, with our four U.S. solid waste regions up between 3% and 9%. In Canada, a 5.5% decrease in pulls per day, primarily related to the purposeful shedding of lower quality revenue, was more than offset by an 11% increase in revenue per pull. Solid waste landfill tonnage in Q4 on a same-store basis increase 6% over the prior year period with all waste streams improving.

MSW tons rose 5%, special waste tons increased 13% and C&D tons increased 1%. The comparatively lower growth in C&D tons was primarily due to limitations imposed by the new conditional use permit at our Chiquita Canyon Landfill in Southern California and the purposeful shedding of some of the progressive poorly priced roll-off business.

Recycling revenue, excluding acquisitions, was about $26 million in the fourth quarter, down about $3 million or 10% year-over-year due to an almost 60% drop in the value for mixed paper. Widely publicized pronouncements by China significantly reduced the value of recycled fiber in early October, particularly mixed paper. Prices for OCC, or old corrugated containers recovered some of the decrease during Q4 and were a little better that we had expected for the quarter, averaging about $121 per ton, which was down 3% from the year ago period and 34% sequentially from Q3. OCC prices currently average around $100 per ton or down about 17.5% compared sequentially to Q4’s average and down almost 40% from the level we average in last years first quarter.

At current OCC and mixed paper values, we estimate about a $45 million recycling revenue headwind year-over-year in 2018, and up $30 million to $35 million hit to EBITDA or about $0.09 per share to EPS mostly split out over the first three quarters of 2018. As adjusted by our financial outlook, we expect higher reported pricing growth and increased E&P waste activity to more than offset this potential headwind.

Looking specifically at E&P waste activity, we reported $53.3 million of E&P waste revenue in the fourth quarter, up 66% year-over-year and down 3% sequentially from Q3. Activity held up better than we had expected in the period, as we had anticipated as much as a 10% sequential seasonal dip from Q3. This also provides a higher entry point into 2018.

Looking at acquisition activity. As noted earlier, recently completed acquisitions with total annualized revenue of approximately $70 million, provide a strong start to what should be another year of above average acquisition activity. In early 2018, we acquired Bay Disposal & Recycling an integrated provider of solid waste collection, recycling, transfer and disposal services to almost 70,000 customers in southeastern Virginia and northeastern North Carolina through four collection operations, five recycling facilities, one transfer station and a C&D landfill. Bay Disposal is the leading service provider in the North Fork, Hampton and Newport News markets in Virginia.

We also completed tuck-in acquisitions in New York and Texas. And we believe are well-positioned to sign or close between additional $50 million to $100 million of acquired revenue, either later this quarter or early next. We’re pleased to report that we got a great head start on this late yesterday, when we executed a definitive agreement for an integrated new market acquisition with annualized revenue of approximately $40 million, and one of the fastest growing parts of the United States. Once completed, this acquisition should contribute approximately $30 million of revenue and $10 million of annualized EBITDA to our full year outlook, along with incremental accretion to expected free cash flow.

News transaction and Bay Disposal both provide new market platforms for additional growth opportunities, both are fully integrated and margin accretive. These are two of the premier private companies in the U.S. in the business today. This brings us to over $110 million of acquired revenue in the first six weeks of 2018. We welcome Emmett Moore his leadership team and all of Bay Disposal’s employees to Waste Connections.

As discussed on previous earnings call, this remains one of the most active deal environments we’ve seen in years, due to a variety of reasons, including record performance at target companies, tax reform and rising reinvestment rates for sale proceeds.

And now I’d like to pass the call to Worthing to review more in depth the financial highlights for the fourth quarter, and provide a detailed outlook for Q1 and full year 2018. I will then wrap up before heading into Q&A.

Worthing Jackman

Thank you, Ron. In the fourth quarter, revenue was $1.157 billion up $108.6 million over the prior year period and $32 million above our outlook for the quarter. Acquisitions completed since the year-ago period contributed about $68 million of revenue in the quarter or about $38 million net of divestitures.

Adjusted EBITDA for Q4, as reconciled in our earnings release, was $360.7 million or almost $11 million above our outlook for the period, due to higher-than-expected revenue. Adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue was 31.2%, or 10 basis points above our margin outlook. Year-over-year, our adjusted EBITDA margin reported for the fourth quarter increased by 20 basis points.

Underlying margin expansion from strong pricing growth and increases in both solid waste, landfill tonnage and E&P waste activity, more than offset the dilutive impact of comparably lower margin acquisitions completed since the year-ago period. Declines in recycled commodity values and limitations under the new conditional use permit at our Chiquita Canyon Landfill, which took effect August 1.

Fuel expense in Q4 was about 3.9% of revenue and we averaged approximately $2.61 per gallon for diesel in the quarter, which was up about $0.19 and $0.10 per gallon, respectively, from the year ago period, and sequentially from Q3.

Depreciation and amortization expense for the quarter was 13.9% of revenue, up about 10 basis points year-over-year and about 60 basis point below our outlook, due to lower-than-expected amortization expense and the impact of higher-than-expected revenue. Interest expense in the quarter increased $5.1 million over the prior year period to $32.5 million, due to higher average outstanding debt balances and higher interest rates as compared to the prior year period. Net of interest income from invested cash balances, interest expense was $3.2 million up year-over-year. Debt outstanding at quarter end was about $3.9 billion about 27% of which was floating rate. And our leverage ratio, as defined in our credit agreement, was about 2.5 times debt-to-EBITDA.

Our underlying effective tax rate net of certain items for the fourth quarter was about 27.5% this is massed in the period by an almost $210 million benefit to the provision primarily related to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 enacted in the U.S. in December. Looking at 2018, we currently expect our effective tax rate to be approximately 23%, subject to some variability quarter-to-quarter.

GAAP and adjusted net income per diluted share were $1.19 and $0.52 respectively in the fourth quarter. Adjusted net income in Q4 primarily excludes the impact of the Tax Act, intangibles amortization and other acquisition-related items and impairments. Adjusted free cash flow in 2017 was $763.9 million or 16.5% of revenue. As a percentage of adjusted EBITDA, this represents a conversion rate of 52.3%, up from 51.4% in the prior year, reflecting the quality of revenue focus Ron discussed earlier. Further improvement in this conversion rate expected in 2018 will be primarily driven by the Tax Act.

I will now review our outlook for the first quarter and full year 2018. Before I do, would like to remind everyone once again that actual results may vary significantly based on the risks and uncertainties outlined in our Safe Harbor statement and filings we made with the SEC and the securities commissions or similar regulatory authorities in Canada. We encourage investors to review these factors carefully. Our outlook assumes no change in the current economic and operating environment. It also excludes any remaining rebranding costs and other items resulting from the Progressive Waste acquisition and any additional acquisitions that may close during the respective periods.

Looking first at full year 2018. Revenue in 2018 is estimated to be approximately $4.825 billion. For solid waste, we expect price of about 3.5% with reported volume growth flat to up 0.5%. Underlying volume trends remained strong, with the expected year-over-year reductions in reported volume growth, primarily reflected – reflecting three items.

First, the previously discussed purposeful shedding of remaining low quality and unsafe to service revenue in the form of Progressive Waste markets. Second, a decrease in third-party tonnage at our New York City transfer stations as the Department of Sanitation marine terminal operations kick in, which may have an approximately 30 basis point impact on volumes. As a reminder, this volume reduction was both expected and deliberate, as we supported Progressive Waste’s decision to terminate its award of a DOS contract, due to concerns about the low margin, logistics intensive nature of this contract and the high CapEx requirements.

Moreover, any loss of DOS tonnage will impact reported volume growth, there should be very little impact to EBITDA as we expect to backfill any such laws with internal tonnage. Finally, just simply cautious expectations for special waste activity in the year, following record such activity in 2017. Recycling revenue was discussed earlier, and is expect the decline year-over-year and E&P waste related revenue should increase double digits on higher drilling activity.

Adjusted EBITDA in 2018, as reconciled in our earnings release, is estimated to be approximately $1.55 billion or about 32.1% of revenue, up 60 basis points year-over-year. Adjusted free cash flow in 2018 as reconciled in our earnings release expected to be approximately $850 million or about 17.6% of revenue and almost 55% of EBITDA. Timing differences in CapEx and cash tax payments will influence year-over-year quarterly comparisons throughout the year. Additional acquisitions completed in the year, will drive higher free cash flow, due to both the incremental contribution from such deals and the related immediate expensing of certain acquired CapEx as provided for in the Tax Act.

Turning now to our outlook for Q1 2018. Revenue in the first quarter is estimated to be between $1.13 billion and $1.135 billion. We expect pricing growth for solid waste to be between 3.5% and 4% in Q1, partially offset by volume growth of between negative 0.5% and negative 1%. Recycling revenue is estimated at approximately $26 million in Q1, down, as Ron had mentioned, up $15 million year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA in Q1 is estimated to be approximately $353 million or up 31.1% of revenue.

We’re quite pleased with the potential for the 60 basis point year-over-year margin expansion in the upcoming quarter, given the nearly 60 basis points drag from lower recycled commodity values and the negative margin impact from the Chiquita Canyon Landfill permit. Depreciation and amortization expense for the first quarter is estimated to be about 14.2% of revenue. Of that amount, amortization of intangibles in the quarter is estimated to be about $26.5 million or $0.07 per diluted share, net of taxes.

Interest expense, net of interest income in Q1, is estimated to be approximately $31.5 million. Our effective tax rate in Q1 is estimated to be about 20%, subject to some variability. The effective rate for the period includes about $6 million benefit to the provision related to excess tax benefits associated with equity based compensation. Finally, non-controlling interest is expected to reduce net income by about $200,000 in the first quarter.

And now, let me turn the call back over to Ron for some final remarks before Q&A.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Okay. Thank you, Worthing. 2017 was an exceptional year by almost any metric, safety, financial or positioning for future growth. For that, I’d like to once again thank our more than 15,000 employees for their tireless efforts to deliver such successes. 2017 also marked our company’s 20th anniversary and Waste Connections’ 14th consecutive year of positive shareholder returns. Looking back to our 10th anniversary, we reported almost $1 billion of revenue in 2007. And stated at that time that we believed our next $1 billion of revenue growth should produce greater value creation than our first $1 billion.

As we had expected a higher financial returns per future dollar of capital deployed. In the 10 years since past, revenue was grown 4.8 times, while our market equity cap has increased 8.5 times. We’re confident looking ahead now as we were back then. Each year brings new challenges of growth opportunities and 2018 will be no different. Given that our financial outlook already includes EBITDA margin expansion of more than 50 basis points, and double digit percentage growth in free cash flow. Our team is once again ready to meet the challenge.

We appreciate your time today. I will now turn the call over to the operator to open up the lines for your questions. Operator?

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Hamzah Mazari with Macquarie. Please proceed with your question.

Hamzah Mazari

Good morning. The first question is just if you could just walk us through the puts and takes of inflation impacting your business. Clearly you got a benefit on the CPI side. Maybe frame for us how much of the book of business that impacts. And then also, how much is sort of being offset by lever inflation and your ability to control that sort of as you flow that down to the margin line? Thank you.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Sure. Well, Hamzah, I’m going to round about 42%, 43% of our business is indexed to one form or another at CPI. So, obviously, as that as inflation – if inflation is incurring, we are getting that. And you saw that us guiding higher price by over 30 basis points relative to 2017 and we commented that, that was, in fact, due to higher CPIs. So in that 42%, 43% of our business we get it really directly. There’s about a six-month delay, but we get it directly.

And then in the balance of our business, we are getting greater than the rate of inflation in price, in the competitive piece. So we really believe we will get greater than inflation by 100 basis points or more really, no matter what that number is, on the revenue line. And the vast majority of that should flow. I mean, if we are getting between 50 basis points and 75 basis points of price greater than inflation, and we are just controlling our cost at the rate of inflation, then we will get a 30 basis point to 40 basis point margin expansion mathematically.

And as you saw today, despite a 50 basis point to 60 basis point headwind, we are getting – we’re guiding to 50 basis points of EBITDA expansion. So what that tells you is on the current pricing, we’re getting 100 basis points in this environment, even despite commodity. So we feel pretty good about that. Certainly, you have costs that are growing greater than a couple of percent a year. Your labor is going a little faster, your medical is growing a little faster. Fuel is right now growing a little faster. But all in, we feel comfortable today that we can manage our cost structure to at least the CPI or rate of inflation or perhaps a little better. And if we’re able to do that, we should be in good shape.

Hamzah Mazari

Great. And then just a question for Worthing, maybe we missed this. But what’s the cash tax savings number from corporate tax reform? And then, just maybe an ignorant question. But have you thought of reverting back to the U.S. given the tax rates?

Worthing Jackman

Well, I think you said ignorant, I didn’t say that Hamzah. When you look first at the Tax Act, as we’ve been saying throughout the fourth quarter and early into this year, the Tax Act provides nominal savings. Remember, a bulk of the benefit from lower taxes was realized beginning in the middle of 2016 when we closed the transaction. But if you fast-forward and look at our cash tax rate, relative to our GAAP, our cash tax this year is probably about 70% of our GAAP accrual. And so if our GAAP accrual is getting around 23%, you take 70% of that that’s our effective cash taxes. That’s overall down year-over-year, some $30 million to $40 million. Obviously some of that also for bonus appreciate, not all of it is from the Tax Act.

And again, as we look at – as you ask the question about reverting back to the U.S, that’s not on the table. I mean, we still find good benefits for being Canadian domiciled, not only in cash flow but also investor profile. We very much enjoyed we’ve been embraced in Canada, and that’s just not on the table right now.

Hamzah Mazari

Just last question, I’ll turn it over. Are there any opportunities on swaps in your system? I know you talked about M&A and the pipeline being strong there. Just any color on swap opportunities. Thank you.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes, Hamzah. I mean, I think in certain years you saw us in Q3 to a fairly large multi-market swap with RSG that I believe is beneficial to both companies, was and is beneficial to both companies. And certainly, there are more of those available not only with RSG, but of course, WM, advanced disposal, as well as a number of private regional companies throughout the footprint. Swaps are always a little bit challenging, because everybody believes that even their poor companies are better than they actually are so it take some time to work through. But we did some in 2017 and you’ll continue to see us do that in 2018. I think the industry is rational about that, and everybody is focused on and being a strong provider of where they are, and not just being everywhere.

Worthing Jackman

And last year, was a very active year for us in swaps as it relate to the divestiture program. But again, we didn’t put this detail in the script, but if you step back, make sure you chock the impact of divestitures primarily through the swaps last year. We have to roll over drag of about $25 million of revenue in the upcoming year that we’ve incorporated into our outlook for the year.

Hamzah Mazari

Got it. Thanks a lot guys.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Thanks, Hamzah.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Derek Spronck with RBC Capital Market. Please proceed with your question.

Derek Spronck

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Just on your 2018 guidance, can you just talk about some of the key assumptions around that OCC pricing, affects? And E&P waste you $200 million revenue in E&P waste in 2017. Are you pulling that constant or what’s your assumption around E&P waste as it relates to your 2018 guidance? Thank you.

Worthing Jackman

Yes. A lot of this was in the script in more detail. But I’ll try to summarize. First, on OCC, what we said is that the current prices at around $100 a ton. It’s moved down pretty significantly just from the past week alone. And that kind of current spot pricing results, we estimate about a $45 million revenue drag year-over-year. That means recycling revenue overall for us will be down 30% if that plays out. And that’s all occurring in the first three quarters, so that’s about $15 million of revenue that we’ve assumed down each of the first three quarters. A little bit flow through in the Q4 as well. That’s all in our guidance, that’s about $30 million to $35 million assumed to impact EBITDA and about $0.09 a share primarily in the first quarter.

With regards to the E&P waste activity, we did about $190 million of such activity in 2017. We’re existing obviously on a run rate around $210 million, if you look at the second half of the year and annualize that, and that’s why we’ve assumed a double-digit percentage growth in E&P waste activity for the year. And FX – FX has been oscillating $0.79 plus or minus of penny on the conversion. And we’ve had – we have that same assumption baked in their outlook.

Derek Spronck

Okay. That’s great. And it obviously doesn’t include the acquisition you completed last night.

Worthing Jackman

That’s correct. What we’ve said about that is, based on assumptions of when we think the transaction closes, when that transaction closes, that should add another $30 million to reported revenue for the year, so that would take you to $4.855 billion. That would add another $10 million of EBITDA in the year, so that will take you to $1.56 billion. And that would add some incremental benefit to $850 million of free cash flow both from the flow through of some of that as well as any associated tax benefits related to that transaction.

Derek Spronck

Okay, that’s great. And just moving on, you indicated there’s $50 million to $100 million in acquisition revenue that you’re looking to transact on – noting that the deal last night is inclusive of that. But when you do just some simple math around transaction prices, it still looks like you’re going to have a pretty good cash build or have cash in excess of the deployment of your anticipated acquisition pipeline. What is your capital deployment expectations? Are you going to continue to build cash in order to deploy it towards the acquisitions? Because the pipeline might actually come in stronger than anticipated or what you’ve outlined as a $50 million to $100 million or would you start considering deploying cash towards share buybacks or other areas?

Worthing Jackman

Let me start and I’ll hand off to Ron. First, if you look at the outflow, obviously, you didn’t see much of the outflow in Q4, because a bulk of the outflows earlier this year. And look, if we get that $50 million to $100 million that we talked about, and obviously, we’re $40 million on the way there, so our pipeline is pretty clear here. If we visit the upper end of that, what we’ve already deployed and if you factored that in, we’ll likely spend somewhere north of $500 million given the quality of the acquisitions, the EBITDA margin profile and cash flow profile. And so that, alone, will be depleting as what we call the excess cash that you saw hanging around last year and some of the cash are generating earlier this year.

And again, that’s over half a year left to go. And so when you look at excess cash flow generation this year, you’ll still have six plus months of M&A activity, what might close in the year, share repurchase obviously, we’ve been saying that’s on the table. We’ll look to restart that as we move through the year, and of course, we look at our dividend policies we get later in the year, every October you see us do a double-digit percentage growth in the dividend policy.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes, Derek what I would note is what we said, and if we didn’t forgive me, we said that we have close $70 million, we expect to do another $50 million to $100 million by the end of the first quarter or the beginning of the second. That was what we said, I mean – so that would put us if we did the $100 million that would put us at the $170 million by April in acquired revenue. I mean, so – with nine months to go, not with six months to go. So I want to be clear, as you talked about excess capital, I mean, again, our first investment of access capital is appropriately priced strategic M&A opportunity. We believe we are in, and will be for a period of time and accelerating M&A environment with the change to tax law.

We believe there’s a window, that window is probably till the next election, but potentially, it could be beyond, but it’s probably at least till then. And I think you’re going to see not just in our industry, but many, a tremendous amount of acquisition of all sizes as people fully understand how the tax law actually works and the benefits of it’s under – in an M&A transaction.

So you would keep our powder dry. There’s no need to step out and do an accelerated buyback or an outsize dividend when you believe that your best use of capital is growth, and that there’s a window where that will be most available.

Derek Spronck

Okay. That’s great. I’ll pass it over. Thank you for taking my question.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tyler Brown with Raymond James. Please proceed with your questions.

Tyler Brown

Hey, good morning.

Worthing Jackman

Hey, good morning.

Tyler Brown

Hey, Ron, you mentioned the acquisition last night was a new market entrance, can you talk about where that market is? Can you confirm that there is a landfill involved? And do you see a number of tuck-ins around it, to kind of build it out, kind of like grew that as suppose?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. Let’s take the last two pieces. First, Tyler, yes, there is a landfill involved, an MSW landfill. This is a very long life MSW. This is a fully integrated company collection transfers and MSW landfill. And what we said, it was one of the fastest growing parts of the U.S. We are not going to name why obviously because we signed it yesterday. We are in the process of filing our HSR filings. And obviously, out of respect to the sellers and their employees who certainly are not aware this until the seller makes a decision to sit down and communicate with them as we get closer to closing. So that’s the only reason why not. And I feel there are substantial growth opportunities over the next several years in and around that transaction.

Tyler Brown

Okay. Good color there. And then, I’m not sure you gave it, but what was the full year year-over-year change in special waste, C&D and MSW landfill volume?

Worthing Jackman

Hold on, I will give it to you.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Just a second we’ll give out.

Tyler Brown

I’m just curious how strong special waste was.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

13% the special waste year-over-year.

Tyler Brown

For a year.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Correct. Yes, 5% for MSW, year-over-year.

Tyler Brown

Okay, okay. Perfect. And then Worthing, I’m curious you mentioned that about 27% of your debt is floating. I think you entered some swaps in 2017, as I read through the K. But are you looking to get more aggressive in locking rates in?

Worthing Jackman

We’re looking at a handful of things, both swaps as well as additional long-term notes. There’s no rush to do it. I mean 27%, that’s just about $1 billion debt that floating. And obviously, with cash balances from time to time, you almost have a natural hedge for a pretty good percentage of that floating rate based on invested balances.

Tyler Brown

Okay. And there is a 1% move in LIBOR or something like $15 million of pre-tax maybe like $10 million or so free cash flow.

Worthing Jackman

We got about $1billion of floating rate debt, a 1% movement you would think it’s $10 million, but to the extent that we have piece of that hedged with cash, it’s strength that $10 million.

Tyler Brown

Okay. And then my last one here. I think Ron, there’s been some chatter about some recent E&P disposal asset investments, particularly in the Permian, just curious if you could talk about the competitive dynamics in that market right now.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. Well, as I’m sure anyone who follows that space is aware, the vast majority of activity from a rig count and a drilling activity is occurring in the Permian Basin. It’s still relatively quiet in a number of the other number basins, such as the Bakken or even up in Oklahoma, and even the Eagle Ford, et cetera. But the Permian is active. We have what we believe is comfortably the best position in both the New Mexico and the Texas Permian. We continue to look at as well as – look at acquiring as well as potentially developing other sites.

There have been additional sites that have opened over the last few years and into this year. We have not seen any material price or volume erosion in our market area because of that as rigs move, that’s always somewhat of a risk. But we feel very, very comfortable. I mean, as you so we got upward today, and the vast majority of that volume is coming out of the Permian.

Tyler Brown

Yes. Okay. Thanks guys.

Worthing Jackman

Hey, Tyler real quick. I just got my hands on the full year numbers. Special waste, the numbers that Ron had given out was repeat of the script which is Q4, special waste was up 18% in the year, MSW was up 7% in tons and C&D was about flat.

Tyler Brown

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Michael Hoffman with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Hoffman

Thank you taking my questions this morning. On the volume side, if we stripped away the shedding an 18% or the unusually above average maybe whatever in the 18% special waste, how do you frame what’s happening on a same-store basis? And if we look at it on a commercial collection market, does that lead to still incremental opportunities for service interval upgrades? And if I traded it one more sort of underlying MSW sustainable trend? I’m trying to understand that in the context of your guide?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

So Michael, I think in the U.S. I think that the underlying MSW volumes are probably right now are growing probably around in that 2% to 2.5% range. I’m going – that’s what we are seeing. Now of that, obviously, we are, as you know, price focused, so we’re not going to get to all that 2.5%, except in our exclusive markets, we’re going to get more than that with residential volume growth as well. So we’re probably getting – I’m going to estimate around 1% to 1.5% underlying MSW growth in our competitive system in the U.S. right now. And I would with our service increases in the fourth quarter and in 2017, we’re about 2. 5 times our service decreases. If you were to go back to the 2011 through early 2014 timeframe, that was almost inverted. It was inverted at one point, meaning decreases outpacing increases by 2.5 times. And then it became more in the late 2013, early 2014 timeframe about flat, and it has continued to improve.

So it does get a lot better from a service increase versus decrease standpoint from here. Probably not, I mean, I’d say most markets in the country are healthy, are strong and have been doing certainly well for most of 2015, all of 2016 and all of 2017 and accelerate a little in the second half of 2018 into present. So again – but if you look at it, look, we purposely, again, we purposely shed between $50 million to $60 million minimum of revenue between unsafe stuffs, certain national account brokerage typed stuff that were low margin. And so that’s a 1.5, almost underlying volume degradation, depending on the timeframe you’re measuring, that we are battling against. And that’s in the U.S. So that’s where you get sort of a reported flattish phenomenally down, nominally up the number.

Worthing Jackman

The related impact to EBITDA, are free cash flow…

Ronald Mittelstaedt

The shedding of it improved EBITDA. So again, and improved returns.

Worthing Jackman

If you look, for example on the safety side, I mean if you compare just how we exited 2017, we were down on a run-rate basis over 2,400 incidents compared to how we exited, on a pro forma basis, 2015. And that’s a $30 million to $35 million run rate not all which is in the numbers yet, reduction in the cost of safety. This is the right decision both from a quality revenue standpoint and a safety performance standpoint.

Michael Hoffman

Yes, I get all that. I just want to make sure, there is actually good volume trends in these proactive decisions on your own part over shadow that and that’s why I was trying to draw out.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. We believe – we point to the results, because ultimately over time, we believe that’s what matters.

Michael Hoffman

And just a housekeeping number for you, Worthing the share count in all your earnings assumptions that you’ve given for 2018?

Worthing Jackman

Well, you know, we don’t give our earnings per share assumption. But we exited the year at almost a run rate of 265 million shares, to the extent we implement share buybacks during the year, you see that come down, but again, we stick to the dollars on the guidance because it’s hard to predict share count, given timing of repurchases.

Michael Hoffman

It is a nice try. Tax rate, and I just look at tax rate trends given the bonus depreciation sunset, how do I think about, if modeling multiple years 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023, so I’m try to walk this up from 2023 towards a 2025 kind of number?

Worthing Jackman

Yes. But not the reasons, you stated. I mean, bonus depreciation doesn’t impact the effective rate, that just shows up in cash tax payments. But as we’ve always said, as you see us continue to improve the former Progressive Waste footprint, especially within the U.S., which is the area of the biggest opportunity, as the U.S. gets more profitable, you’ll see our rate lead up a little bit. Prior tax reform, we sit over kind of a three to five-year, it might lead up a 100 to 200 basis points. I don’t see any different right now. We know there is at 23% effective rate if you look out three to five years probably bleeds up another 100 to 200 basis points. Unless a new administration comes in and just changes – the wholesale changes, the latest tax reform, it goes back to where it was – last year, but assuming no change in tax credit from where we are right now. It should plead up just a little bit.

Michael Hoffman

Okay. And then you did take a right off, if I run credit directly in the E&P business for the year. For development project, what region or shale play was that development project in?

Worthing Jackman

No. For the year, there wasn’t a write-off for E&P. That was a strategic potential Greenfield landfill that we were looking to develop where we had another overlapping landfill and was we deem that this competing site was no longer needed then we decided to just walk away permanently from that development.

Michael Hoffman

Okay. And then lastly, while driver retention is inner played into your safety program, but it’s also been a strong initiative to drive it back down to where free deals with waste connections was? How are you doing on that? How do we think about that going to be…

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. Michael, so let’s back up. When we – so if you back up, not quite two years ago, when we closed the progressive transaction, Waste Connections was running around 17% to 18% total turnover, and I’m around, about half of that voluntary, half of that involuntary. So in voluntary – voluntary turnover was in the single digits, our progressive, when we close, it was running 43% to 44% employee turnover, and 95% was voluntary. So on day one, when you blended those two together, it took us collectively to write at about 30% turnover, maybe a little north of that. We exited 2017 down to about 23%, 23% to 23.5%. And we have that back to 60% of voluntary, 40% involuntary.

So we made tremendous progress. We still have a lot of ways to go particularly in the South, which is probably what is the starting our numbers up from that high teens, low 20s. We’re very focused on it. It’s one of our biggest opportunities. That is also, not coincidently, where our worst risk performance is and where our margin performance is. So they all go hand-in-hand. But the South remains an incredibly hot market from a growth standpoint and from obviously, the labor opportunity standpoint. So it’s a challenging environment. But that’s where we are. I mean we would – I mean look to any turnover not any, but I’d say north of 20% is too much and we would like to see that voluntary, involuntary split be about half-and-half.

Michael Hoffman

That’s it. Great help and based in your hot comment, I assume that’s for the dealers? Is that in the south? You don’t need to answer that. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Brian Maguire with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Maguire

Good morning. Ron, just wanted to come back to your comments about an accelerating period of M&A until maybe the next election. It sounds like little bit maybe of a longer period and just a sort of opening of the gates ahead of the actual tax law change. Obviously, the conversion of EBITDA, the cash flow goes up with the lower tax rate, and there are some benefits to bonus depreciation. But I’m just wondering if you could expand more on what you see is a broader benefits of tax reform? Are you kind of expecting volumes to improve? Any sort of stimulus effect on the economy? And sort of related to all this, the bigger question for me is sort of what is happening to M&A multiples in the space in response to, because I would imagine those are coming off as well. So when you factor at all in, is it still the right decision to make? Or are the multiples coming up in sort of an efficient way to sort of offset a lot of the benefits that you get from better conversation of EBITDA out of cash flow?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes, okay. Well a lot of questions in there. I’ll try to touch on each, Brian. First off, we do believe, and we believe we are seeing, the beginning impacts of the change in tax law, or at least the months of talking about the tax law change to the economy. And we believe you will see it. The bringing back of the billions, if not, trillions of dollars of overseas cash, we believe will be spent in a variety of development ways by private companies of all sizes throughout the U.S.

We believe you’re going to see additional manufacturing and construction as that money gets put to work. You are seeing companies of all sizes and now that they will take cash flow or cash tax savings. Some is being distributed to employees. Some is being put to M&A. Some is being put into facility re-development and new facility development. All of that brings jobs, all of that brings waste. And so us and the industry should be a benefactor of that.

And of course that’s without regard to whether or not the federal government does put for the multiyear infrastructure plant that has been talked about or not. That would be additive. So we do believe that the underlying volumes will continue to improve and that the economy should continue to improve, and that brings with us a higher CPI and the ability to – the competitive markets pursue strong pricing.

On the M&A front, look, I think both potential sellers and buyers of all sizes have some benefits through this tax plan. And I think they will – as time goes on, and the tax plan is fully understood, they will recognize these were benefits that didn’t exist before and may not exist if it get changed if there is a party change at the next election or even something that could block it at the midterm for that matter. So I think people will view it as a window, and that’s why we think there will be quite a bit of accelerated M&A activity.

Many private companies of all sizes has been waiting to get their companies back to where they were pretty Great Recession. They been – they’ve had lower investment rates and high tax rates, and that has all now lined up at the same time. So people look around and say, how much better will it get? And it could turn the other way. So I think that’s an effect out there. As far as multiples, Brian, I would tell you that, on average, multiples are probably up about 1.5 to 2 turns of EBITDA.

If you look back to sort of, I’ll call it, 14, 15 to real-time present. And that is particularly on the larger higher margin integrated type company. When you look at the tuck-in acquisitions, those multiples are probably only change a half a turn. So when you blend everything together that we would do in a year, you would probably see a 1.5 time turn in total EBITDA. We’ve seen a greater multiple expansion then that. And it’s another way of saying that a small amount I think of the tax benefit gets part related to potential sellers, but certainly not the majority. The reality is us or anyone else is giving the majority of this tax benefit into a 10-year model, with a three-year certainty, that’s probably not a great long-term decision for shareholders.

Worthing Jackman

And I would say for us, Brian, that blended 1.5 turn expansion multiple probably a third of it is related to quality of assets based on how the owners have investing in their business because remember owners know they over invest in their business they’ll get a higher multiple in the way out because it works in the inverse. If you under invested in your business, and we are putting the position to pay for a lot of catch-up capital. So that’s going to impact the upfront multiple. So I’d say the quality of the transactions that we’ve been seeing, particularly over the last four, five years, as far out strip the quality of many of the deals that we saw in the first 15 years from an asset standpoint.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Correct and then lastly, Brian, there are just – there are embedded nuances as you understand this tax plan, which I think we and others are learning as we go because it is so recent that I think incentify M&A to an extent because of the immediate expensing of inherited CapEx and growth CapEx in a target company, so that comes out of the cash flow line, goes into the P&L, provides the tax yield and raises free cash flow from doing M&A.

So I think as people understand that, over the ensuing year and into next year, you’re going to see that is a driver as well.

Brian Maguire

Okay, thanks. That was a great answer. I just want to follow up sort of related to the tax changes and the better environment for the industry. I know in your protected market, exclusive markets wouldn’t expect an increase in competition accordance, but just in the competitive markets, do you see it changing competitor’s behavior in any way? And I’m thinking about maybe, thinking about adding more trucks around or being a little bit more competitive on pricing as a result of after-tax returns on capital going up a little bit in response to tax reform?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

I certainly think it’s a potential, Brian. I mean, when the competitive markets, as we have always said, which is why we like the exclusive markets and want to maintain that 40%-plus position of our company is that the reality is that the public companies attempt to set price, but the private companies determine where it get set. And so a public company live on a 25%-plus type EBITDA margin and private companies live on generally a much lower margin and that is bankable and financeable.

And so to the extent whether – whatever type of incorporation there are, they are seeing a cash flow benefit. I’m sure they will take some of that benefit to themselves, but they will put some of that benefits into obtaining market share in the market. The good news is that in a strong economic environment and a strong GDP environment such as we have, there is so much new business which is easier for the private companies to pursue the new business at better pricing for themselves then the fight through taking business. So if we were in a more contractionary environment, I think your question would have a bigger – be a bigger concern. But in this economic environment, I’m less concerned about it.

Worthing Jackman

In some cases owners run their business for tax administration even before tax reform. So if you’re already operating the business in a tax administration environment, the fact that rates fall, doesn’t really put too much more cash flow into your pocket.

Brian Maguire

Okay, thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Noah Kaye

Thanks. I’ll keep them quick. Just on the FX assumption, it was a little bit of a tailwind this quarter, what do you thinking about U.S. versus Canadian dollar for 2018.

Worthing Jackman

Again, we’re trying to be cautious here and say around $0.79.

Noah Kaye

Okay great. And then on the CapEx guide of $500 million. So $20 million year-over-year but still pretty fixed as a percentage of sales. So I guess with the bonus depreciation, if you don’t deploy all of your excess free cash flow for M&A, could you see that CapEx number may be moving a bit higher? Are there potential prices with high internal ROI? If so, kind of what would the main buckets?

Worthing Jackman

I mean, it could, I mean you saw last year removed the CapEx higher as we move through the year. Obviously, we would move it higher and take free cash flow down as a result of that. So let’s just see it’s early in the year let’s see how the years playing out to questions about specific high ROI opportunities, yes, we’re looking at those and we have a couple of that we’re looking right now. But as those higher dollar opportunities generally quick started a year, but the CapEx outlay could be one or two-year periods by the time projects like that could go. So that’s not a material impact in any one current year.

Noah Kaye

Okay, thanks very much.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Corey Greendale with First Analysis. Please proceed with question.

Corey Greendale

Hi. Thanks. I’ll also keep it quick. On the Q4 results, I understand the headwinds to EBITDA margin expansion that kind of offset the benefits. But could you just say a little more about the offsets. If you look at it from a guidance perspective, so given that better E&P waste and some of the other positive trends I would have expected more of a beat on the EBITDA margin in the quarter just kind of why wasn’t more above of your guidance?

Worthing Jackman

You’ve got to remember, we do a pretty good job of forecasting our business. And so by forecasting and giving quarterly guidance, we’re taking a lot of these pushes and pulls into account. And by guiding margins up 10 basis points year-over-year, that would have been after overcoming a 40 to 50 basis point headwind from crude from overcoming a 30 to 40 basis points headwind on recycling in the period. And that would have been overcoming probably another 30 to 40 basis point impact from Chiquita. So you’ve got 100 basis points of headwinds from those three things for us to report the up 10 basis points – up 20 basis points or 10 basis points higher than we guided.

Corey Greendale

Okay, just quickly on the guidance. I assumed the double-digit increase in E&P revenue that is disproportionally weighted towards the first half of the year and the particularly Q1?

Worthing Jackman

Well, the highest year-over-year growth you would see starting Q1, obviously if crude stays gets back above $0.65 you could see higher double-digit starting with a two versus a one, right, when it comes to year-over-year growth. But you would see a disproportionate percentage growth in the first quarter unless again crude starts stabilizing about $0.65, because what you really need to see growth starting with the two handle or 20% plus growth in E&P, I think need to see more basins kind of the table, which means getting the back end to really turn back on, in particular. So if that were to happen, then that will be a key driver to what I’ll call 20%-plus growth, but we’ve not baked that into our outlook.

Corey Greendale

Yes. Understand, thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Murray with AltaCorp Capital. Please proceed with you question.

Chris Murray

Yes. Thanks guys, good morning. So just may be going back to CapEx. I mean, I guess, the guide right now is roughly call it 10% of revenue, so I guess a couple of questions. One, how does the tax changes have you guys are thinking about those internal investments as you said could take time to do. But other things when you take tax into impact that might accelerate? The other two pieces that are on this question, may be my number, call it $700 million run rate in acquisitions, how should we think about that CapEx number as well happen to change as you acquire? Should that be ad post to marine? And then finally, with recycling, are there any issues you’re seeing right now that might need additional investments? And as the capital intensity of that business might increase to maintain the quality levels, is that an attractive business for you on a go-forward basis? So I’ll leave it there. Just get some feedback.

Worthing Jackman

First off, Chris when you say $700 million in acquisitions, I’m assuming meaning purchase price or outlays over 1, 1.5 year period not acquired revenue?

Chris Murray

Yes, I think $170 million forward. Right?

Worthing Jackman

Times four for a full year, obviously. You can annualize $170 million on quarter-on-quarter. From a CapEx standpoint understand both are depreciation 100% expensing, that it is – that doesn’t change relative to pre-tax reform, how much of the value of you expense on your tax books. It just gets it done earlier so it’s almost like a low-cost loan from the government. So you shouldn’t really change how you invest in your business or lay out capital in the near-term because of that – because if you try to play the long game here, you’re setting yourself up potentially to hit a huge wall in an outer year and watch your cash taxes gap up dramatically and your free cash flow gap down dramatically year-over-year.

So to make near-term decisions based on our accelerated expensing, it’s – I don’t think that’s particularly appropriate. Now, we are making some investments in our business at just in the normal course to focus on what I would call things that might help employees from a retention standpoint, Ron can get into that more but bonus depreciation of loan should not impact how you layout capital.

Chris Murray

Okay. And I was just kind of curious about M&A, like any thoughts on whether or not the capital intensity on stop acquiring in line with 10% number?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. I think it will, Chris. I mean again, there are some nuances to the tax provision – to the cash tax code, the new tax act, that you would actually see that on a reported basis drop. And you would see your CapEx as a percentage of revenue on a reported basis decline the more M&A you do because there’s an immediate extension concurrent with the transaction of CapEx of the target. So, on a reported basis, you will see that percentage come in to more M&A that you do.

Chris Murray

Okay. But looking at your pipeline, there’s no additional CapEx hit that we should be expecting to have to catch up on the assets?

Worthing Jackman

No, there is no normal already.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

No. And to the question I think – forgive us, that you asked regarding recycling, I think was your specific question and I think your question was, is that becomes more complex and automated, is the capital necessary going up? While at the same time that the returns in that business because of commodity values are going down. I believe that was your question. Yes, and the answer is yes unfortunately.

The reality is – and everybody is attacking a little differently, but I think for the most part the same it takes time to shift the paradigm, but the reality is that I think the recycling model overall is broken. It’s broken because it costs about three times as much to collect and process a ton of recyclables as it does to put it on a landfill. And putting them in the landfill, you make a margin looking recycling, you’re going just make a small margin it was actually more than three times, and if the price charged for it to buy most provider is a fraction of what’s charged for solid waste. So there’s a massive disconnect.

And so all companies, I believe, are working to change the customer mindset with regard to that model, charge a processing fee that covers their cost and a return for the processing, and then puts more volatility of the commodity on to that customer, be it commercial or municipal, and make more of a predictable model allowing for longer capital expenditure – a longer and greater capital expenditures into this business – into that business, meaning the recycling business.

I believe all of the major public companies and many private companies are focused on doing exactly that. That is a multiyear, perhaps a multi-decade change to get fully through, because it has taken three decades to get us to where we are as a factor.

Chris Murray

Okay. No, that’s a great answer thanks guys I’ll leave it there.

Operator

[Operator Instruction] Our next question comes from the line of Devin Dodge with BMO. Please proceed with your question.

Devin Dodge

Good morning. Just a couple of questions on costs. How easily or how quickly can you pass along line haul cost inflation? And how significant have the truckload rate increases been for you recently?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Well, number one, just to again to your inflation – to an inflation cost that was asked earlier, so again – I’m going to round in about 40% of our business, there is potentially up to about a 6-month delay, because that business is indexed. So it depends where you are in relationship to that next indexing by contract. And then the other 60%, it’s basically on a realtime basis to answer your question.

So – and we have seen, I’m going to round between a four and a low double-digit increase for third-party transport is what you’re asking, when you’re asking line haul from our recycling and our transfer facilities, where we used a third-party. And that’s almost directly right now related to a few. And we had in certain of our contracts, we also have fuels and other material surge charge recovery mechanism. So we have not seen a material impact from that.

Devin Dodge

Okay, that’s helpful. And one of your competitors is offering bonuses to their employees after the U.S. tax changes, do you feel any pressure to offer your own bonus program, even though your tax benefits likely to be substantially less?

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Yes. I mean, first off, we comment to any other companies that are taking a portion of the tax savings and putting it particularly to the front line and our employees. We think that’s a beneficial. As you commented, we really did not receive, because of our structure and our Canadian domicile, we did not really receive any material tax benefit through the Tax Act, such as some of other larger public U.S. domicile companies. But having said that, we did receive some benefit, and we are basically, we going to do four different type things that benefit employees.

One is that all of our employees in the company, which thankfully they’re not a lot of, but we are below sort of $12 an hour rate. We have some in our system throughout they will be increased to a minimum of a $12 per hour rate beginning on 401 of this year. And that captures about the lowest 3% to 4% of employees in our system. So we’re going to be doing that. Secondly, we are going to be increasing our employee 401(k) match by about 40% increase, matching a dollar for dollar on the first 5% which is a pretty subset of increase from where we are, that benefits all employee. We are not doing that because of our plan here and how it looks January 1 of 2019.

And then as we already talked about today, we’ve increased CapEx by about a $15 million, heavily focused on fleet and equipment, again, long-term benefit to our employees based on newer fleet and equipment. And then lastly, we are going to allocate about $5 million to $10 million additional per year, while this Tax Act is in place. So that means if it is in place and indefinitely and then it’s probably indefinitely, roughly split between expense and CapEx for facility improvements of all types for our field employees, offices – new offices, shops, remodels, update, et cetera.

So effectively, when you look at it, although we got, I’m going to say, pretty de minims benefit, we are allocating between CapEx and the cash impact almost all of that impact back to our system in one way or another here between 2018 and 2019. So I mean we felt that relative to doing a one-time smaller cash bonus that these things were more permanent and multi-year in nature than singular.

Worthing Jackman

As I talked earlier about playing the long game, we anticipated some of this – how we had CapEx last year, because last year we pulled in as you saw our higher CapEx end of the year which created an opening to put some of additional CapEx, Ron talked about this year, and still try to run the business at about 10.5% of CapEx as a percentage of revenue.

Devin Dodge

Okay, thanks for your color. Thank you.

Operator

And we are showing no further questions on the audio lines at this time.

Ronald Mittelstaedt

Okay. Well, if there are no further questions, on behalf of our entire management team, we appreciate your listening to an interest in our call today. Both Worthing and Mary Whitney are available to answer any direct questions that we did not cover that we’re allowed to answer under Regulation FD and Regulation G. Thank you, again, and we look forward to speaking with you at upcoming investor conferences or on our next earnings call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and as such you kindly disconnect your lines.