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Retirement Strategy: Panic Can Derail Even The Best Retirement Investment Plan

Mar. 10, 2018 9:30 AM ETCINF, CL, DOV, EMR, HRL, JNJ, KO, LOW, MMM, PG, T266 Comments
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Summary

  • The markets keep going up, and investors are still doing well.
  • Weak human behavior might work against dividend growth investing strategies when the next steep decline hits, and it will.
  • Viewing the world of money in different ways might help you avoid panic selling.

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We are all human, and human behavior is not rational at times, especially when it comes to money. Since I believe that investing is an emotional endeavor, I myself have had to fight back against behaviors that could have ruined my own plan for a secure financial future. It was and is never easy, and I slip up, even now, as a retired "know it all."

Consider those folks who are new to the investing game and how they might feel just because of human behavior. I have found over many years of just watching, that there are some behaviors that appear universal in failed investment strategies:

Betting on a tip with overconfidence

We have all done this. Somebody whispers a hot stock tip on a sure thing. Being greedy, we want in on the action to make some fast money, or even hit the jackpot. We pour a few grand into a stock, and it pops by a few %, and we feel emboldened. We sink a bunch more into the tip and the bottom drops out. We dump the rest, call it a loser, and the stock soars the next day.

Jump on board

We see a stock that everyone is talking about so we feel as though we must be missing out. Naturally, we open our wallets to get in on the action. Ever see a hot craps table? Someone gets lucky, and everyone runs over to fight to place big bets on the hot roller. Most of the time everyone walks away from the table with far less money. Same thing with those hot stocks. We usually get in after the big move and are left holding the bag when the early money dumps their shares. Then, we dump ours and blame everyone else.

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We mourn the loss of Alan Saltzman aka Regarded Solutions who lost his long battle with a terminal illness and departed on April 6th, 2021. Alan was a veteran contributor who started his journey with Seeking Alpha in 2011. He published more than 1000 articles and built a strong readership base of close to 80,000 followers. His contributions and expert guidance on retirement strategy will be immensely missed by Seeking Alpha and its readers._______________________________________________________________________My life's journey through retirement in my later years. and my suggestions going forward! Keep it Simple, Smart, and Safe!Stage 4 cancer.....2 years ago I couldn't focus...I stopped writing etc.....went on chemo, had to make stuff easy for my wife.....got out of all equities and now have fixed income and private family investments.Thanks for your support RS

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Comments (266)

RZel profile picture
The number of comments corresponds to the number of opinions and strategies. Let me throw the wrench.
I am SA reader for the last few years. I have tried to publish my articles, too (but SA likes the author's who cranch more numbers). My articles are more about strategies, assets allocation, and the trading rules.
With over the 20+ years of investing, and becoming a new retiree, I prefer more flexible way to earn the dividends. If you are familiar with IBD, you know that every week they publish the list of industries and ratings. I use it as a good base for investment rotations.
I generally agree that if to hold the stock for a long time (more than 5 years), you may ignore the market. However, like in the case of REITs now, the principal's potential loss (and I mean the big one like 15-20%) can be avoided if you rotate stocks relying on IBD info.
I don't see nothing wrong in selling the dividend stocks of one industry and replacing them with ones from another industry. In this case, you capture not only the dividends but also some growth. For instance, let's say, you bought the dividend stocks with 7% dividend. You have to generally hold it for entire year just to get a full dividend. With my strategy, you capture more for the shorter time frame selling the stock after an increase in value good enough (with a total profit more than 7%). I monitor the stocks, and when the trend is about to go down, I place the trailing stop. Freeing the cash, I can reinvest in the industry that is in uptrend.
I don't care if I don't hold the stock for a long time as long as I have achieved my goal of 10% profit or more.
Snowfirel profile picture
Sorry, but what is "IBD"?
RZel profile picture
Investors Business Daily. investors.com
Plimsoll profile picture
IBD = Investors Business Daily
c
if you think a particular holding is too pricey, call sales are a good way to 'split the baby'. JNJ, as an example, has a January 2019 150 strike call selling for @ $3.20. You continue to hold the stock, collect the dividend and put some money in your pocket.
Investor Professor profile picture
Tnbucks/RS and others who mentioned/questioned interest in CD's: I would be interested in advice/article more generally directed to "what to do now."

For those that have ridden this bull successfully and amassed a comfortable nest-egg, now what do we do? The problem is you realize we are at pretty lofty valuations today. That could continue for a few more years or we might suffer an unpleasant downturn. If you are at or well into retirement, that downturn could be unpleasant and scary.

For example, if you have $1MM invested in dividend paying equities, a 25% downturn would result in a $250K loss of principal on paper. That's a lot of moolah! You might not sleep so well during that period. So what are the options?

One option is do nothing, stand pat. After all, your dividends will still get paid (assuming your positions are in relatively strong companies, i.e., aristocrats). In fact, your dividends will likely keep increasing - a strong reason to stand pat.

Another option, take some equity off the table, lock in your profits and redeploy capital elsewhere. Sounds like a plan, but you first have to pay tax on your gains, then where do you redeploy?

Bonds and CD's will preserve principal, but pay little interest compared to dividends. And that interest is locked. It won't increase unless you reinvest in a new bond/CD upon maturation of the old bond/CD. Also, that bond/CD interest is fully taxable as ordinary income. So not only is it less than your dividends to begin with, your net is also much less because of the taxes. (I know: this assumes this is all in a taxable account. No tax issues in qualified plans.)

So again, I would be most interested in an article (and commentary) weighing all the pros and cons of strategies that might be taken by one who has amassed a nice nest-egg and looking for the best way to preserve principal while taking into account tax implications and potential loss of income.
Tnbuchs profile picture
Cd ladders? Are you that concerned, RS?
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Three (3) Rules to/for Investing: (one last idea from us).

1. Buy low, sell High.
2. Never lose Money.
3. See Rule #1 and #2....;)

Unchecking..GLTA
12Mar4:42p (believe that was an Oldsmobile)
MrFireby2023 profile picture
Great analogy with the FL condo. I’ve heard similar analogy with a Texas ranch, same lesson. By the way, check out my latest blog posting, I believe you’ll enjoy it as I got very personal:

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Regarded Solutions profile picture
pretty buffed stuff! way to go!
L
I absolutely love your condo analogy! It should ring a few bells, especially for those stock investors who also own rental properties.
billinsd profile picture
With a fair amount of my portfolio in reits not all portfolios are up right now.
Yet there is no panic in my game
I continue to get dividend increases even on my reits that are not at price paid
Only OHI has frozen dividend.
Dividend checks continue to roll in
j
jrhky
11 Mar. 2018
Great article RS. Always enjoy your articles and all of the replies. Lot of good ideas in the replies. I have been investing since I was around 26 and am pushing 80 now. Have been retired since 2004 and have never had to look back. The first stock I bought was Hardies Hamburger around 1965 and from there on I had the bug. I fortunate to work for a company that had a good profit sharing plan and later on it converted over to a 401K. I always was able to make the maximum wirhholding to get the maximum match and these really add up. My wife did the same so we were very fortunate. At this time I am invested in stocks, funds, bonds and cash. Also do options credit spreads, debit spreads, covered calls and regular options.
Some of you mentioned a way to keep track of your investments. I use a program called "Fund Manager" written by a guy by the name of Beiley out of Arizona. I have used the program since the early 80's and it will handle all investments. Great program and easy to use. Keeps track of all investments, distributions, LT, ST, and dividends. Try it I think you will like if you are computer literate.
Regarded Solutions profile picture
Thx jrh!
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Sorry about last sentence,,,,,computer began acting up.

Unwelcomed circumstances will occur.
l
RS, it looks like you struck a positive chord with CD investing. I'm in my 70's. Probably should not be in the stock market but as an income investor strictly, the dividends make up 50% of my living expenses otherwise I would be using the 4% drawdown (or similar) method. Why reduce my principal if I don't have to. Planning to leave that to my wife, then our heirs. CPA is suggesting establishing a trust at some point too.

Concern is that eventually the USA will have a recession or a market drawdown of 30+%. Retirees do not need to be caught in that situation unless the grim reaper is 10 years or more away. Health issues can sneak up quickly also. As you firmly stated: have enough cash ready for those rainy days. You know, we have not talked about bonds yet?
unwelcomed circumstances that will occur.
wam350 profile picture
Your CPA is giving good advise. Opened mine in my 50's, now in 80's and have changed it several times as circumstances changed. My mother had one, it made it so easy to distribute her assets according to HER wishes without the expense and the waste of time in probate.
RZel profile picture
The number of comments corresponds to the number of opinions and strategies. Let me throw the wrench.
I am SA reader for the last few years. I have tried to publish my articles, too (but SA likes the author's who cranch more numbers). My articles are more about strategies, assets allocation, and the trading rules.
With over the 20+ years of investing, and becoming a new retiree, I prefer more flexible way to earn the dividends. If you are familiar with IBD, you know that every week they publish the list of industries and ratings. I use it as a good base for investment rotations.
I generally agree that if to hold the stock for a long time (more than 5 years), you may ignore the market. However, like in the case of REITs now, the principal's potential loss (and I mean the big one like 15-20%) can be avoided if you rotate stocks relying on IBD info.
I don't see nothing wrong in selling the dividend stocks of one industry and replacing them with ones from another industry. In this case, you capture not only the dividends but also some growth. For instance, let's say, you bought the dividend stocks with 7% dividend. You have to generally hold it for entire year just to get a full dividend. With my strategy, you capture more for the shorter time frame selling the stock after an increase in value good enough (with a total profit more than 7%). I monitor the stocks, and when the trend is about to go down, I place the trailing stop. Freeing the cash, I can reinvest in the industry that is in uptrend.
I don't care if I don't hold the stock for a long time as long as I have achieved my goal of 10% profit or more.
r
Thanks for the article. I've been following you for a while and I believe that you offer some of the best ideas I've seen. It is also written in an informative manner.
Regarded Solutions profile picture
thx rick!
Donggle profile picture
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Maybe you should not have stepped into the ring(market). There is no beginners market.
Diversification has shown it does not work, unless its cash or alike.
How much money are you willing and can afford to invest and be down maybe 50% tomorrow, hoping the recover will be the same as before? Thats the right amount to have in the market.
The Mathematical Investor profile picture
There are many aspects to diversification including for asset allocation and to ensure that problems w/ one company or one industry doesn't impact your overall financial life.
W
Losing 10% or 20% or even 50% in paper value is not getting punched in the mouth, unless you sell an otherwise great corporation in a panic and then watch it recover and realize you should have followed your plan and just left it alone and collected the dividends.
W
Great article. I have a soft rule written into my investing plan; a reminder in the form of a rule. Whenever a buy or sell decision is warranted, if I'm feeling uncertainty I reflect on what I know about investor behavioral traps and ask myself if I'm experiencing any of them.

Having a plan, as simple or formal as desired, is a great defense against these type of mistakes. But you must be willing to follow it. If you have a carefully thought out rule that says, "I'll sell when xyz occurs," and you feel the urge to change the rule rather than sell, you may want to reconsider.
vantuckman profile picture
Having a plan is important. Having a goal is critical. Having a written goal makes it much more likely to achieve--and is a necessity, IMHO. Sincerely, V. Tucker Kirk
kos47 profile picture
“Keep in mind that as a dividend growth investor for retirement, we are, and should be, focused on growing a reliable income stream. Does it truly matter if the share prices fluctuate as long as the income stream keeps flowing and increasing?”
I know, but wouldn't it be nice looking at my retirement portfolio and not to see all those REDS.
kos47 profile picture
any reason Dover (DOV) is not in your chart?
d
You need to diversify more!! Your chart shows you have $438,000 in just 10 stocks yielding somewhere slightly over 7%. If your fears are a sell off some day, your stocks are more vunnerable then , let say an income fund, muni fund, tax free fund , reit funds or just a whole assortment of well balanced and managed funds. Your smart, Re-allocate a little. (I also didnt scroll back up, but your all large cap equity.) "If you disire a softer blow in a "sell off" then invest for a softer blow" ie Maybe $25K in 17+ holdings or no more then $20K in 22 holdings
Investment Pancake profile picture
Always another good article by Regarded Solutions. I'd only add one thing to the section on looking at your portfolio by income. If you regularly reinvest, then your portfolio income will EXPLODE higher during market corrections, since you can buy more shares at higher yields. In other words, take your approach and then go one step further. You are not merely insulated from market downturns. You pray for them. You directly benefit from them. All that you see when the market is down 20% is that your future income stream is up 20%. Whilst other investors wet their knickers, run back and forth screaming like their hair was on fire, and due to fear and stress vomit into the waste basket, you're breaking out the champagne bottles and doing a little tap dance as you skip through the fields picking butter cups.

No really! I literally buy stocks with wild-eyed greed when the market is falling into a tailspin. I have no sense of terror or trepidation when I do - I typically whine and simper ONLY because I wish I had MORE cash to invest. When the market is rising, I feel like an alley cat, picking through mounds and mounds of garbage looking for the odd scraps here and there and finding none.

You see, Regarded, taking your solution and just going one step beyond, it more or less entirely erases fear, or the urge to buy stocks simply because the price is rising. It turns you into an anti-sheeple.
Donggle profile picture
"If you regularly reinvest, then your portfolio income will EXPLODE higher during market corrections"
Its not the divs you are going to get during the downturn, its all those you reinvested at higher prices that will hurt. Your portfolio of x is getting 7% divs. After the swan the whole position is down say 25%. Are you more rich or less? hint you are down 18%. But I will be even in a few years......,maybe and now I'm getting 14% yield.
Investment Pancake profile picture
Guess it depends on your time frame, right? I am certain that during the great financial meltdown of 2008 and 2009, my portfolio was down far more than 25%. And actually, my dividend income dipped a bit too, at first, as banks slashed or suspended dividends. But I kept reinvesting like a maniac, and by the time 2018 rolled around, my portfolio is 2.5xs higher than it was in 2008, and the income is about that much higher as well. I'll take a 25% haircut for a couple of years for a return that 10xs higher over the ensuing 8 years.

14% yield???? That seems like pretty risky stuff. That's great if you avoid dividend cuts, but when something pays out that much, oftentimes you run the risk of stepping into a value trap. Be careful out there!
afrodita profile picture
Behavioral mistakes....didn't miss them. Have I learned my lesson? Maybe.
I need once in a while a reminder. And here it is! Your article. Very clear, love it. Focus on dividend stream income, ignore market fluctuations but keep watching your stocks. Keep cash available for opportunities. Thanks RS.
Regarded Solutions profile picture
that's afrodita.
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