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Intel: The 3 Failures Of Brian Krzanich - Part 2

Jun. 29, 2018 12:47 PM ETIntel Corporation (INTC), NVDAAMD, IBM134 Comments

Summary

  • Failure #2: GPU computing.
  • The Larrabee misfire.
  • The Koduri recruitment.
  • Investor takeaways.

Rethink Technology business briefs for June 29, 2018.

Failure #2: GPU Computing

Summit at Oak Ridge. Source: servethehome.com.

The state of high-performance computing today is exemplified by the U.S. Department of Energy's Summit supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. With the recent completion of Summit, the U.S. now possesses the world's fastest supercomputer, according to Top500.org. According to a standard benchmark, Summit is rated at 122.3 petaflops (10^15 floating point operations per second). The previous record holder was the Sunway TaihuLight, located in the People's Republic of China, rated at 93 petaflops. According to the DOE, Summit has a maximum theoretical performance of 200 petaflops.

The main computing engine of Summit is not made by Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) or any other provider of CPUs, but it instead uses the Volta GV100 graphics processing unit (GPU) made by Nvidia (NASDAQ:NVDA). Supervision of the GPUs is provided by IBM's (IBM) Power9 RISC processor. Summit consists of 4,356 nodes which are essentially rack-mount servers with two Power9 processors and six Volta GPUs in each.

To facilitate data flow and management of the vast fleet of GPUs, each Power9 has three built-in second generation Nvidia NVLink high-speed data interfaces. Each GPU, in turn, uses NVLink to communicate with each of two other GPUs and a Power9, as shown in the diagram below from a presentation at the Super Computing 17 Conference.

Source: Tom's Hardware

Summit has a sister supercomputer located at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory called Sierra. Sierra consists of 4320 nodes each containing two IBM Power9 processors and four Nvidia Volta GPUs. Sierra is now ranked third in the world with a rating of 71.6 petaflops.

As noted by top500.org, Nvidia GPU accelerators are used in 98 of the top 500 supercomputers, including 5 of the top 10. Intel's hope for a processor to compete with

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Comments (134)

ajny profile picture
ajny
10 Jul. 2018
NVDA has a software infrastructure. Do you know anyone who’s used Intel development tools? See today: twitter.com/...
wow&wow profile picture
All Intel shareholders need to thank the ex-CEO (Chemical Engineering Officer) for his utmost contribution to shareholders:

Telling the world that not following the well-defined privilege levels and requiring OS kernel relocation is the INTENDED design (as a hidden feature until the "Meltdown" issue?), no bug!

Intel's not following the privilege levels is beyond a security issue; Intel designed its CPU chips INTENTIONALLY without following the spec, and what can be more serious than this type of the INTENTION?

Even stupid designers follow the spec, the most basic requirement, and Intel's designers are either speechlessly stupid, unlikely, or demanded by the management for this INTENDED design.
Growlzler profile picture
Lest we forget;

www.reuters.com/...

Comment: Arguably a good case for the use of graph analytics...,

-Growlzler
g
I don’t think anyone expected Intel to dominate GPU computing. The only “failure” of Intel is a lack of focus if anything. Intel needs to execute on one thing and one thing only: a great 10nm process.
pk de cville profile picture
"The only “failure” of Intel is a lack of focus if anything. Intel needs to execute on one thing and one thing only: a great 10nm process."

The One Great Failure of BK:

Betting the house on maintaining process leadership.
grxbstrd profile picture
Anandtech did a "deep dive" on V100 DL performance, for anyone interested: www.anandtech.com/...

(The take away is no competition as would expect really except NVDA's own GPUs.)
Growlzler profile picture
puckluck,

That's the $64 Dollar question that only "the few" really know and they ain't say'in (I know because I asked). No use trying to second guess Micron's thought processes on the reasons behind cutting it loose. My suspicion is that they felt it was too much of a "blue sky science project" that wouldn't reach payoff in a 3 to 5 year time span (or at all). Add to that the fact that it was competing against the Hybrid Memory Cube for internal (external?) funding.

The AP is in reality an auto-associative memory, a type use that may have fallen from academic grace as this paper hints at in their conclusions;

arxiv.org/...

Some key words for everyone's future lexicon are;

o High Dimensional Computing or Hyper Dimensional Computing
o Sparse Distributed Memory (SDM)
o Very Long Vector Words (100 - 10,000 bits)
0 Neural Network Auto-associative Distributed Memories (NAMs)

I'll let everyone make up their own fictions about where this may be taking Natural Intelligence Semiconductor but the most probable fit is that they discovered a better method that doesn't require the AP but does require a foundry instead and are off and running in that direction which doesn't happen to have "MEMORY" stamped in big broad letters that Micron's management can understand.

This is not to vague, though it is speculative, it does remove some ambiguity from the dialogue...,

-Growlzler
William Tidwell profile picture
G. and puck,

I just don't see the mystery with automata. Micron scrapped it because it was too damn hard to work with. What's more, Gen-Z interconnects give the system designer all they need for compute in memory. The issue is the surmounting the memory wall and composability. That changes everything!
Growlzler profile picture
William,

Dr. Avidan Akeribs is VP of GSI's Associative Computing Unit. He presents an idea that GSI has been working on for at least the last several years. The following presentation, "Computer Systems Colloquium Seminar" given at Stanford's colliquium seminars is more than just interesting;

www.youtube.com/...

I suggest everyone view this video. This should put to rest any speculation about why the Micron's AP development was stopped.

There's a lot more to this story, may even include New Architectures, Hyper-Dimensional computing and flocks of Black Swans...,

-Growlzler
p
Growlzler,

On compute in memory, why did Micron exist Automata? Why did they spin off the Natural Intelligence group when they seemed to have an early lead in compute in memory commercialization? Next step would have been to integrate Quantx (3DXP). In stead they exist the technology and set the group aside. They tell shareholders nothing. What's up with that? Does the NSA have something to do with it? All seems very mysterious and underhanded. I believe NSA is preventing shareholders of MU and intel from realizing the financial benefits of 3DXP/Quantx due to national security interests.

ieeexplore.ieee.org/...
"Micron’s Automata Processor
(AP)19,20 is an example for Compute
Memory. It transforms DRAM structures
to a Nondeterministic Finite
Automata (NFA) computational unit.
NFA processing occurs in two phases:
state match and state transition. AP
cleverly repurposes the DRAM array
decode logic to enable state matches.
Each of the several hundreds of memory
arrays can now perform state
matches in parallel. The state-match
logic is coupled with a custom interconnect
to enable state transition.
We can process as many as 1,053
regular expressions in Snort (a classic
network-intrusion detection system) in
one go using little more than DRAM
hardware. AP can be an order of magnitude
more efficient than GPUs and
nearly two orders of magnitude more
efficient than general-purpose multicore
CPUs! Imagine the possibilities if
we can sequence a genome within minutes
using cheap DRAM hardware."
Growlzler profile picture
A regular open season on Intel. Nice to see them kicked in the head repeatedly while they're down.

The real question for an investor is what opportunity exists that is "against" the popular sway?

Intel is a large company and has many components that are not publicly known. There are a number of projects that they support externally or are conducting internally that remain hidden from the public for a number of competitive reasons. If you study these relationships and have enough technical knowledge you'll begin to see patterns evolve. Further, if you investigate the overall patent filings they will also begin to show patterns of investment in manpower project loading. Remember these people are one of the company's most precious resources - Intel is guilty of abusing this resource (investor wise) over the last 5 years but it doesn't mean that they are down for the count - at least not yet. They company is still in motion on more than a few items that could change the "down" to a very "up" attitude.

Intel has more than a few issues in management as is best explained in Ben Thompson's recent piece;

stratechery.com/...

Nvidia is not as "Lilly White" as they might make the market believe nor is AMD. If you're going to be an investor read all the 10Qs and 'Ks going back at least 5 years. Believe me that alone can be a shocking experience and may drive you away from investing in any company. The point is that companies screw up all the time and have to lay it out honestly in the 10Qs (or go to prison on a Federal fraud charge).

An honest assessment indicates that the technology is moving away from the Von Neumann architecture to one in which mixes it with one that brings the full context of mathematics to the computing experience - in essence the science of patterns (Pattern Computing). We are on the verge of a something as big as Claude Shannon's rationalization that you can build computer systems using binary arithmetic.

The "Little i" still has "reach enough" that may surprise even the most jaded cynic into becoming a proselytizing apostle. The opportunity now weighs upon the belief of the existence of a greater future fiction - sort of an "afterlife exists" sales effort...,

Rest assuredly there's several crumbs of vague reality in the above though most of the ambiguity has been removed so as not to offend the viewing by small eyes...,

-Growlzler
Mike Bruzzone profile picture
If Intel had opened the processor system bus months ago as I championed pursuant Docket 9288 correction there would be NVMe intermediate memory subsystem boards for XSP 1st Gen (Foster) today in mass 'open market component' volumes.

mb
Mike Bruzzone profile picture
On the boards for all those perfectly good and capable Xeon v2/v3/v4 salvage, Intel can design and produce legacy core logic or the updated core logic and that would take forever this is not a taper because that (another) bridging device is not necessary on the 10's of billions in financial values of values can be salvaged and put back to work in the marriage of GPUs, FPGAs, DSPs and Structured ASIC's fit for uses. with Intel surplus that is not obsolete.

I have encouraged Intel to correct the Docket 9288 deflected (bad) FTC decisions, on limited subject matter counsel, the system core logic control hub opportunities, today, quickly addressed by compliment design producers through Intel foundry at no licensee or royalty cost.

And if Intel say's no, all competitive foundries are indemnified by me providing that service.

I see no IP issue here where products are systematically accelerated ahead of economic effectiveness and software then forced to finagle new hardware values is bad management practice. Poor planning offset in tIntel example be seemingly deepening the Xeon volume discount rate Ivy through Broadwell enabling those values to survive in the channel through this XSP drought.

And, if Intel is 'loath to accept', and all of sudden customers control hub order's require greater fabrication capacity than 'Intel cannot timely provide", foundries who step into to fill that employment keeping correction are paid a predetermined per unit produced industry assessment by Intel.

Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing
Mike Bruzzone profile picture
Adding, Intel Core volumes on channel data have substatially slowed. More in my q2 inventory report.

XSP I will note is ramping on boards fit for use? Q2 revenue as has been for several quarters is primarily DCG Xeon product.

What's interesting is there isn't much to procure in the way of high volume server CPUs. So Intel pumps out the dog food and buyers eat it because that's what exists to sustain financial flows.

AMD is also in a precarious position. Lots of demand however cash and supply constrained. In addition on the weight of Intel current primary market supply, and in relation. tp back in time Xeon still fit for many uses AMD is being financially crushed to death.

Back in time Xeon v2/v3/v4 in their primary applications were meant to stop ARM server. Now those volumes in their secondary uses that still include enterprise dp are doing a second tour of duty wiping out AMD potentials even more than the XSP dog food.

mb
grxbstrd profile picture
hmm, interesting take on hindering Ryzen.

I personally am more curious in how the attach goes for accelerators. . . ;)
Mike Bruzzone profile picture
grxbstrd,

"Attach for accelerators".

Tons of capable back in time CPUs priced right as control and
applications management. Many salvaged from server use that never saw an accelerator in system. Can be integrated with current and back in time GPUS as a second marriage has tremendous channel revenue implications.

How many bsck in time CPUs will see integration with GPUs, new and old, has been my primary growth market take for the past two quarters.

Big money to b made in the channel here, for all kinds of accelerated applications; FPGA and DSP too.

mb
Mike Bruzzone profile picture
Intel is in a precarious position.

$20 B in annual revenue to make up replacing PC surplus values that are not demanded and until last year were typically supplied.

Antitrust remedies coming that will surely attach compensatory remedies.

Cache starved 14 nm Xeon Scalable with no, other than perhaps Intel NVMe intermediate memory (Apache) boards waiting for 10 nm Cascade Lake.
Frank Ober profile picture
As was said you can't pin Larrabee on Krzanich, it started before his tenure as CEO. Is Intel taking too long to get a a ML/AI processor out, sure and it will be a long road from here. The management does realize the weaknesses outside of the CPU. BK did try to get Intel out beyond the CPU, for example SSDs and Memory Storage delivered under his watch but really like Larrabee was initiated before he arrived as CEO. It is a mixed report card. One should note the stock more than doubled under his watch and Intel has taken on some big bets while he stood as CEO. It will be fascinating what an outsider might do, or will Intel continue to source from inside?
grxbstrd profile picture
"It will be fascinating what an outsider might do, or will Intel continue to source from inside?"

Fascinating question. It's akin to the issue in US fed gov't, with too many insiders/establishment trying to do the business as usual thing. For Intel this is a seminal moment. Do they recognize the same old same old isn't cutting it any more? Can they bring in a non-techie who understand this highly specialized manufacturing business and high tech environment well enough to be effective? How about the Intel C-suite guys who've been loitering waiting for their shot. But obviously the board can be looked at for complicity too.

On some of these issues (ex: mobile, Larrabee, bad investments) the board ought to be held to a higher standard. The saloon door of ineffective CEOs and the longer term stream of failures falls on their shoulders. Intel is where they are because of the incredible technological capital they have amassed in 50 years, but with these high $ bets, the non robust PC sector, promised data center growth that hasn't materialized, and scatter gun approach to ML, that bank is deteriorating. I wonder if board members are getting antsy or even frustrated yet.
B
Mark great article. Noticed in the data center revenue graph that revenue has been essentially flat between 2017 and 2018 Qs 1&2. Do you expect to see that flatness again next month when NVDA reports? Just curious as to the reason and whether you have a take on it.
thotdoc profile picture
INTC may be a stock to own, depending on the new CEO. Is s/he a visionary who will create the cultural changes needed, as are the leaders at NVDA, AMD and MS...even SWKS, or will it be more of the same old at INTC?

MH is only listing a few of the issues INTC has had in the last several years and seem to be continuing to have. INTC is truly a crippled and dying giant unless it is remade.

My take is it will be same old or it will take years to turn the ship around, and so don't think INTC is even interesting to invest in. More like a case study to watch and try to learn from.

INTC has decades of cultural problems related to holding on to old processes and maximizing profits rather than seeing where technology is going and skating to that place far up ahead. Their competitors are doing that.
m8 profile picture
m8
01 Jul. 2018
Good summary. I'm interested you include SWKS in your visionary management group - can you elaborate. I never quite pull the trigger with them.
f
yes no wonder intel holds 90+ % in client and dc segments. a leading supplier of ingrediants for waymo
Rather odd article given Krzanich had nothing to do with the Larrabee or it's cancelation, and he's not only hired Koduri, but also the Larrabee architect was rehired by Intel prior to Krzanich resigning.

My prediction is this goes down in history like your 7/16/2015 "Intel Has Become The BlackBerry Of Semiconductors" which is still good for a chuckle. Since that time INTC doubled the return of your idol AAPL.

No doubt some will buy this though. Tech is difficult to analyze, and few are able to see the long game.
www.hpcwire.com/...
f
agreed, the author is amd, qcom, nvda fan
trader_xx profile picture
Holy nostalgia-cow, Cincy is back. Where ya been hiding ? Haven't seen you around defending Contra Revenue, SoFIASCO, HMC etc. etc. etc....
Returnofthemus profile picture
"No doubt some will buy this though. Tech is difficult to analyze, and few are able to see the long game".

LOL!

Hey Cilly, where's 5G Bruce and my Vodka Drinking friend? youtu.be/... ;-)
Raymond Caron profile picture
Great article Mark! Well done. Thank you very much.
William Tidwell profile picture
Great article. Thanks.

"If the CPU is to play a minor supervisory role in the datacenter of the future, then its specific architecture will become less important. Datacenters will tend to prefer the most energy efficient architecture and compatibility with legacy software will recede as a priority."

Do you see RISCV as a potential player in this new world?
m
Compatibility will always be high on the priority list. Especially Intel has never broken out of that mold.
jrc50 profile picture
Good article! Makes me feel better about my Long position NVDA!!
B
Mark Hibben:

Read both articles, thanks so much for your insights.

Staying within the theme of Brian Krzanich failures, do you know why Intel sold Wind River? It seemed to be the right product at the right time.
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